Archived: Counterfeiting Money

[thunderfromdownunder]

if anybody's friend is selling euro or pound then pm my friend (:

[Mr Omerta]

RE1GNSUPREME...I doubt you will be reigning supreme at all! I am not a JUDGEMENTAL PRICK! I simply called it like I saw it! Why are you the only one to take my post personal??? Could it be because your "method" is highly superficial, not to mention desperately trivial? Listen I am not on this thread to 'break anyone's balls'; however I will set the record straight if need be. I have contributed to this thread since page 14 or 15. I respect this thread as well as a handful of dedicated contributors. I have profited VERY WELL from this artform. I'm not bragging; nonetheless simply stating facts. It took me years to reach the point where I was able to "perfect" my artwork so to speak. There was NOTHING easy about it! I set a plan into motion and then I executed it! I didnt attempt to make a career at replicating. I am one of the many "smart ones"! Take a look at all the big boy " counterfeiters". Had they stopped halfway through their operations and called it a "clean run" we would have never known of them but they pushed on and did it on 1,000,000 dollar scale!! TRANSLATION...GREED! You on the otherhand will make it no further than the 7-11 store clerk with your primitive design. "GOOF OF" stain remover??? Im going to piss myself laughing so hard! I suggest you buy as much of it as possible and then bathe in it because the only "goof" here...is YOU!! I'd be happy to assist ANYONE who displays INITIATIVE, not condescending remarks.

[re1gnsupreme]

Originally Posted by Mr Omerta

RE1GNSUPREME...I doubt you will be reigning supreme at all! I am not a JUDGEMENTAL PRICK! I simply called it like I saw it! Why are you the only one to take my post personal??? Could it be because your "method" is highly superficial, not to mention desperately trivial? Listen I am not on this thread to 'break anyone's balls'; however I will set the record straight if need be. I have contributed to this thread since page 14 or 15. I respect this thread as well as a handful of dedicated contributors. I have profited VERY WELL from this artform. I'm not bragging; nonetheless simply stating facts. It took me years to reach the point where I was able to "perfect" my artwork so to speak. There was NOTHING easy about it! I set a plan into motion and then I executed it! I didnt attempt to make a career at replicating. I am one of the many "smart ones"! Take a look at all the big boy " counterfeiters". Had they stopped halfway through their operations and called it a "clean run" we would have never known of them but they pushed on and did it on 1,000,000 dollar scale!! TRANSLATION...GREED! You on the otherhand will make it no further than the 7-11 store clerk with your primitive design. "GOOF OF" stain remover??? Im going to piss myself laughing so hard! I suggest you buy as much of it as possible and then bathe in it because the only "goof" here...is YOU!! I'd be happy to assist ANYONE who displays INITIATIVE, not condescending remarks.

Lol dude, my username is just a band name.

Anyways, my point was this: You are making it sound like we're terrible people "begging" for answers. We're not; we're just ignorant people searching for the light. Now we could either take God knows how long trying to learn the best methods through trial and error, or we could maybe ask around and see if there's anyone experienced, such as yourself, who could save us some time. I mean shouldn't you be sharing your knowledge with the community instead of making non constructive comments? I mean why else join a forum? I didn't really take it "personal", you just pissed me off for some reason.

Anyways, I might have ditched that Goof off method assuming I tried that in the first place. I may have gone with a lye and water method that may be easier on the bill, quicker, and harder on the ink compared to bleach. Is there anything you might recommend or are you going to make yet another nonconstructive comment/or have you already posted that earlier in this thread?

[Swineflew]

I can understand how omerta feels. I haven't been in this thread nearly as long as he has, and I'm already tired of seeing repeat questions that have already been answered in this thread 100 times.

[Mr Omerta]

If you choose the "wash" method, its highly recommended to use Purple Power degreaser. It will work miracles for that particular method. Ditch the stain removers, bleach and lye. I greatly recommend reading atleast the last 46 pages of the thread. No matter your method, there is PLENTY of resourceful info. Best of success.

[SBTlauien]

I've also read(and posted in this thread along with others) that degreaser works best for washing the ink from bills.

[Mr Omerta]

Originally Posted by SBTlauien

I've also read(and posted in this thread along with others) that degreaser works best for washing the ink from bills.

My point exactly! The necessary info is in this thread. I also see how some ppl are working unnecessarily HARD to develop replicas with official features such as UV, INFARED...etc. Granted manipulating those measures are clever but in the end you will end up caught because of your GREED! I highly doubt a individual can replicate such a EXTREME quality note and not become consumed in selfishness. You have to be SMART, not only in your method of choice and profit process but SMART enough to end a clean run! Once again, look at Frank Abagnale Jr, Aurthur Williams Jr, Stephen Jory, Anastasios Arnaouti, Abert Talton, Alves dos Reis, Catherine Murphy, and the elusive Edward Mueller. They all replicated on a grand scale and are now recognized for it. If you seek national and/or worldwide recognition for being the NEXT large scale counterfeiter, that option is each their own. Trust me, nobody wants to be like the names above...I respect each of them; however they are not the greatest counterfeiters. They are the greatest counterfeiters that were CAUGHT!

[victorv]

I think the only reason Mr. Omerta got slightly upset was because a lot of the stuff people ask over and over again is covered in this thread. It may be 20 or 30 pages back, but it's usually covered. I can understand how this thread can be somewhat intimidating, though. It'd take a good chunk of time for someone to read the whole thing from start to finish, but if you're 'interested' in this 'artform', then it's something you should do.

Also, don't expect answers for everything. Chances are if someone has something that's working for them, they might be willing to give people the general idea, but why would they divulge their source of paper, or ink, etc. A lot of this is trial and error. It's a serious crime if you're caught and if you're willing to go down this path you better want to create a quality fake that can fool more than the cashier at 7/11. That's what'll get you caught. You need initiative and the ability to troubleshoot and stick with it until your goals are met.

[re1gnsupreme]

I might have tried the lye method and Purple Power method here:
http://makingfakemoney.blogspot.com/

The lye method may have worked well while the Purple Power may have taken only about half the ink off and the paper started to rip.

How would you go about using the Purple Power method, Omerta?

[victorv]

Sorry re1gn, I don't have a lot of knowledge on washing bills. Hopefully Mr. Omerta will be along soon.

Mr. Omerta,

A few years ago, most of the "advanced" features I've listed were NOT a necessity. Depending on where you are, you'll find that they now are. Not sure where you are located, but where I am a lot of businesses have actual counterfeit detectors, not the pens. The detectors range from machines that allow a cashier to view the watermark and security thread, with some allowing them to check for magnetism in the black ink and the ability to look at microprint, to some having automatic checkers that look for the security strip, magnetism, infrared markers and correct size and spectrum. Most businesses are THAT advanced, but there are A LOT out there. At least in my city.

My idea of passing is also a bit different than yours, at least that's what I'm assuming. I'd much rather see someone buy a few large, non-traceable items (such as 1oz of gold bullion, or a diamond ring) rather than a bunch of smaller items such as a pack of gum or cigarettes, or even bigger items that can be traced such as a computer or a watch.

For instance, if you buy a loose diamond from a jewelry store, chances are they're going to have some sort of bill counter/detector that probably detects the easily forged basics - UV security strip and possibly magnetism of ink. If you buy from a person, such as someone you met on craigslist, they're probably not going to have a counterfeit detector, but they're most likely going to either spend the money or bring it to the bank.

Now, for argument sake, lets say you purchased that item, no hassle. I like the idea of the jewelry store owner or the private seller going to their bank and depositing their money without a hitch. Much harder to track that money back to that transaction and back to you. --- Most bank tellers have bill counters that ONLY have ultraviolet(security thread) and Magnetic Ink detection. Some might have IR detection, but nothing more than that. I like the idea of the cash being greenlighted, going into the teller's drawer, and probably going back out to someone else. It'll take the money a lot longer to be detected as fake, and it'll make it a lot harder to track you down. Chances are it'll be when the money is in deep in the bank's system or is being periodically scanned by the fed when it's detected.

Also, it move the burn from the business owner to the people that actually deserve to be burned, and can cope far easier : the large, government invested financial institutions, since the money would most likely be detected as a counterfeit far after it's been into their system. Win, win?

[TCdboy]

^^^ exactly what I have been saying! This will be the holy grail of this art what I have coined a ""digital. Supernote! But like omerta said you have to go big go once and go home! Cuz the SS IS no joke thanks to the patriot act and other bull shit going on in America. They find out your doing art like this they will stop at nothing. To find you! They might even label you a domestic Terrorist

[victorv]

I do agree with you on that. If you go big, get in and out as fast as you can. I mean, the Secret Service has two jobs: 1) Protect the president, his family, and past presidents. 2) Protect the United States' Money.

They have a lot of power and access to a lot of high-tech equipment to track people down. If you're one to fool around with something as dangerous as producing fake notes, in my opinion anyway, get in fast, get something big, get out even faster. I'm sure there are people who fly below the radar for their whole life passing off the occasional bill, but that's far too long of a risk for me.

[Alexmon]

That printer you mentioned victorv is 3.5 picoliter. This is useless?
Seems like a decent printer though.

[victorv]

Don't get hung up over picoliters. Anything under 4 picoliters is photo-quality, and will be more than adequate. Consumer photo printers like to boast about picoliters and amounts of nozzles because people assume that smaller pLs and more nozzles MUST equal better prints. Not true.

The 7700 I mentioned has a very precise printhead meant for CAD/Architectural use(+/- .01% @ .001mm line weights. That's less than a 1/128th of a PostScript point). Combine that with the high resolution prints it offers and the precise algorithms that are in the professional level drivers and you'll have a very crisp, sharp print.

[HDW]

Dear Mr Omerta,

unlike many people who didnt try anything, ive been spending some many on tests, but it will be great if u can save me some $ and help me out in some questions:

1- i tried both lye and Purple Power. Both worked honestly, although lye fucked the paper (made it thinner, and its no more money paper feel)

2- we dont have cotton paper here, but does southworth cotton paper work well?

3- i read before that u use canon pro 1 , true? but that costs a fortune, any other printer u recommend that is cheaper?

4- someone mentioned that dye-submlimation printer is better then inkjet.. cz in dye-submimation the ink is vaporized to gaz which resoldifies the paper.. true?

also in dye-submilation, u can use pearlex powder paint which can be vaporized and make the government strip hologram.. ?

thanks for the help



PS: i live in a 3ed third world country, so counterfeit works very easily while alot of people dont know shit about dollar..

[re1gnsupreme]

Originally Posted by HDW

Dear Mr Omerta,

unlike many people who didnt try anything, ive been spending some many on tests, but it will be great if u can save me some $ and help me out in some questions:

1- i tried both lye and Purple Power. Both worked honestly, although lye fucked the paper (made it thinner, and its no more money paper feel)

2- we dont have cotton paper here, but does southworth cotton paper work well?

3- i read before that u use canon pro 1 , true? but that costs a fortune, any other printer u recommend that is cheaper?

4- someone mentioned that dye-submlimation printer is better then inkjet.. cz in dye-submimation the ink is vaporized to gaz which resoldifies the paper.. true?

also in dye-submilation, u can use pearlex powder paint which can be vaporized and make the government strip hologram.. ?

thanks for the help



PS: i live in a 3ed third world country, so counterfeit works very easily while alot of people dont know shit about dollar..

I may have used Southworth Cotton paper and I have to say that the Southworth 25% 20lb feels pretty good but not perfect. I don't like this method. After spraying with hairspray and running through the dryer the bill will feel old and almost like a dollar but not quite. I know the hairspray method is for paper that will not pass the pen test, but without the spray, the bill did not feel real.

Can you expand on how you used the Purple Power? My lye method breaks down the paper as well, and I couldn't really get my pp to remove ink. How did you use the Purple Power?

Also, what country are you from?

If anyone has a scan of a 20 dollar bill front and back from 1998 that would be incredibly appreciated. You have no idea!

[Mr Omerta]

Originally Posted by victorv

Sorry re1gn, I don't have a lot of knowledge on washing bills. Hopefully Mr. Omerta will be along soon.

Mr. Omerta,

A few years ago, most of the "advanced" features I've listed were NOT a necessity. Depending on where you are, you'll find that they now are. Not sure where you are located, but where I am a lot of businesses have actual counterfeit detectors, not the pens. The detectors range from machines that allow a cashier to view the watermark and security thread, with some allowing them to check for magnetism in the black ink and the ability to look at microprint, to some having automatic checkers that look for the security strip, magnetism, infrared markers and correct size and spectrum. Most businesses are THAT advanced, but there are A LOT out there. At least in my city.

My idea of passing is also a bit different than yours, at least that's what I'm assuming. I'd much rather see someone buy a few large, non-traceable items (such as 1oz of gold bullion, or a diamond ring) rather than a bunch of smaller items such as a pack of gum or cigarettes, or even bigger items that can be traced such as a computer or a watch.

For instance, if you buy a loose diamond from a jewelry store, chances are they're going to have some sort of bill counter/detector that probably detects the easily forged basics - UV security strip and possibly magnetism of ink. If you buy from a person, such as someone you met on craigslist, they're probably not going to have a counterfeit detector, but they're most likely going to either spend the money or bring it to the bank.

Now, for argument sake, lets say you purchased that item, no hassle. I like the idea of the jewelry store owner or the private seller going to their bank and depositing their money without a hitch. Much harder to track that money back to that transaction and back to you. --- Most bank tellers have bill counters that ONLY have ultraviolet(security thread) and Magnetic Ink detection. Some might have IR detection, but nothing more than that. I like the idea of the cash being greenlighted, going into the teller's drawer, and probably going back out to someone else. It'll take the money a lot longer to be detected as fake, and it'll make it a lot harder to track you down. Chances are it'll be when the money is in deep in the bank's system or is being periodically scanned by the fed when it's detected.

Also, it move the burn from the business owner to the people that actually deserve to be burned, and can cope far easier : the large, government invested financial institutions, since the money would most likely be detected as a counterfeit far after it's been into their system. Win, win?

Ofcourse this very well may be a counterfeiters supreme objective; however we have learned from history that such a level of comfort will inevitably promote greed. As we all know history repeats itself. Honestly, what type of plan does one develop to profit from this artform QUICKLY which requires such high level notes to be produced??? The level of quality notes in which you are speaking are pretty much 99% authentic compared to a actual bank note! Such a level would hender its producer from containing his or her inhabitions...GREED!

[Mr Omerta]

My method of replicating artwork is much higher being that the new 100 dollar bill will be released.
I have never used the "wash" method; although I am sure if you soak your artwork in the purple power degreaser for a few minutes and then wipe carefully with a soft sponge, you should have no issue.

[Mr Omerta]

Also, I am confused as to why you are inquiring about certain paper if you are using the "wash" method!

[re1gnsupreme]

Originally Posted by Mr Omerta

Also, I am confused as to why you are inquiring about certain paper if you are using the "wash" method!

He's probably just trying out different methods.

[Alexmon]

victorv do you have experience using the 7700 ?
It is a high priced printer, I am curious if it is good enough.

[Define-Security]

Originally Posted by JNelson

Can I use a typewriter to make money?

Of Course. Why wouldn't that work?

[Define-Security]

Originally Posted by JNelson

Huh?

With your intelligence, you'll be making money in no time.

[re1gnsupreme]

Originally Posted by Define-Security

With your intelligence, you'll be making money in no time.

I'm assuming he's just trolling?

But ya seriously, if anyone has any 1998-2002 20 dollar scans that would be nice. My printer won't print anything past 2003. Going to the bank and seeing if they have any, they prob on't because they get new shipments of crisp bills every once in a while, right?...

[HDW]

Originally Posted by Mr Omerta

Also, I am confused as to why you are inquiring about certain paper if you are using the "wash" method!

mr omerta, ive been trying many method, and about the "cleaning" method, it works but it takes alot of time + regardless what u use to clean it , it wont be as clean as ur imagining.. while using toothbrush or sponge, it will still eat up the fibers and look "used" enough that people will feel the paper is not good..

anyway u didnt answer my questions about printer / paper u use
can u at least PM me if u wouldnt want to share online?

also , if u do good quality, does that mean u would sell... ?

[re1gnsupreme]

Originally Posted by HDW

mr omerta, ive been trying many method, and about the "cleaning" method, it works but it takes alot of time + regardless what u use to clean it , it wont be as clean as ur imagining.. while using toothbrush or sponge, it will still eat up the fibers and look "used" enough that people will feel the paper is not good..

anyway u didnt answer my questions about printer / paper u use
can u at least PM me if u wouldnt want to share online?

also , if u do good quality, does that mean u would sell... ?

Ya, I've found that the fibers rip with every method I've tried too. Omerta, does your pp method rip the paper too much? If not, how are you using it?

For anyone interested, I found out why my printer won't print the new 20's. It's not the EURion constellations, it's the honeycomb pattern. If in Photoshop I crop out everything except the pattern change the shape/color of the bill so it looks absolutely nothing like a US bill, it still won't print. I can print any bill as long as the honey comb pattern is not there.

This is the pattern I'm talking about:



I ended up getting a 2001 bill from my bank, but my scanner doesn't have a high enough resolution. I'm just gonna try editing the honeycomb pattern out of the bill. If anyone's interested in the edited 2003 20 I'm making, just pm me.

[re1gnsupreme]

Alright, I've perfected the Purple Power method. No rips, and cleans the ink better then lye. Just microwave for 3:30, clean, sit for 1 minute, clean with toothbrush, and repeat 2 more times.

Turns out, the honeycolm pattern an constellation arn't the only reasons why my printer won't print. It's wierd, I can print a 2001 20 NO PROBLEMS, but if I print a 2003 20 in any way it won't print.

Any help on making a watermark would be appreciated.

[BankRoll]

I have an idea for laundering. Go to a donation place or something and make an anonymous donation, say you have a $100 bill. Donate like 10$ and ask for change. There you go. I have a feeling that they don't check bills.

[Alexmon]

Originally Posted by BankRoll

I have an idea for laundering. Go to a donation place or something and make an anonymous donation, say you have a $100 bill. Donate like 10$ and ask for change. There you go. I have a feeling that they don't check bills.

Fuck urself

[BankRoll]

Originally Posted by Alexmon

Fuck urself

Leave your morals at the door.

[Alexmon]

hah, me ? leave MY morals at the door?
your the one wanting to rip off a donation office.

[cgregory23]

^ I have a feeling you don't understand the meaning of the word "morals" lol.

[SBTlauien]

Originally Posted by Alexmon

hah, me ? leave MY morals at the door?
your the one wanting to rip off a donation office.

[BankRoll]

Originally Posted by Alexmon

hah, me ? leave MY morals at the door?
your the one wanting to rip off a donation office.

[Alexmon]

Originally Posted by BankRoll

Leave your morals at the door.

Thats the quote that got me^

I thought you were refering to me saying "fuck urself" , then for some reason picked up on it that you were telling me to leave my bad language at the door.

Ofcourse I know what the word "moral" means.

[Swineflew]

Originally Posted by Alexmon

Thats the quote that got me^

I thought you were refering to me saying "fuck urself" , then for some reason picked up on it that you were telling me to leave my bad language at the door.

Ofcourse I know what the word "moral" means.

Glad it's cleared up. Now stop shitting up this thread faggot. Nobody wants you in here judging people.

[Alexmon]

I contributed to this thread a lot more than you Swineflew. I will do and say what I like bitch.
I was on this since page 10, I taught people a lot ... if anyone should stop "shitting up this thread" its you... gtfo!

[re1gnsupreme]

Let me get this straight. We are talking about morals in the Counterfeiting thread on Zoklet? You realize we are in the Counterfeiting thread on Zoklet, right?

Anyways, anybody have ideas for laundering?

Would this work? If you ha a friend who's a cashier at Walmart, just go to them.

Also, there's these two kids at a nearby gas station that do pump gas. They are maybe 16-17 and look like they hate their job. Now I've never paid for gas with a hundred, but if I paid with a hundred, would they likely go inside to their boss and see if it's cool, or would thy just pump me right there without giving two fucks?

[BankRoll]

Guys, the last few days I have been spending a whole lot of time researching counterfeiting money, mostly the United States dollar. I'll try to give all the info I can, a lot of it is probably already in the thread, but who am I hurting by repeating good info?

First off, don't act like some mastermind walking around your work/school telling people how you make counterfeit money. So many people get caught just because they're cocky. Don't tell anyone except your partner if you have one.

Spending

It's really not the best idea to spend your money at your school. Depending on the school, they'll bring all the money they made from lunch that day, every week or day to the bank. Since it's likely that your bills are fresh right out of your 100$ inkjet, the only prints that will be on it, will be the clerk's and yours.

The character in my novel that I'm writing is buying items off of Craigslist, this way it will go through a few people before it gets to a bank. This character is very paranoid and takes every safety precaution. You should too.

Printers

To make it easier for everyone, I'll just add all the printers that I heard good things about.

Alps 5000
HP Deskjet F2430
I heard good things about Epson models
HP Photosmart C4240
Canon Pixma MP50


This is just about all that I can contribute that hasn't been said 10,000 times.

[Mr Omerta]

This is why I have chosen only to respond to WORTHY questions via pm! Far too many question are being asked on the end pages of this thread that HAVE BEEN ANSWERED! At this level into the thread, questions being asked should RIVAL ones asked one or two pages prior. Some ppl are turning this thread into a JOKE! It should read just like a HOW-TO manual so to speak. You wouldnt find yourself reading the same info on page 56 that you read in the beginning on page 4. Paper types, how to wash bills, pen proofing, security threads, watermarks, printers...etc. TSK TSK TSK! Its clear some ppl WILL NEVER get it right!!