Obsolete vbulletin

[JC Denton]

So I was wondering why zoklet hasn't updated it's vbulletin since it was created. The current stable version is 4.2.0, and zoklet is still using 3.8.1. Theirs been over 5000 bug fixes and new features added since. Surely this isn't an issue of laziness. Is this a license cost issue? Would it require a wipe or major downtime or something? You have a discount on future upgrades, and updates are free. Donations should cover the upgrade to vbulletin 4. Update to 3.8.7 could be done immediately without any costs. I don't think many people would whine if Zoklet went down for a few hours of maintenance. They should take time to go out and find a job or get laid or do whatever else with their lives.

[I Kill Null Airtime]

Lazy/don't care about us.

[Bradley]

If it costed 2$, that'd be 20$ too much for Zok.

Only kidding, well, Not really, but you do make good points.

[Lanny]

Apparently the vB3 devs have kinda disowned vB4 (who were apparently replaced for the most part), so there's some controversy over 3 being better or worse than 4. Really though, if we were going to upgrade to anything we should dump this PHP pre-rendered nonsense and upgrade to a BBS that doesn't use crap practically antiquated technology. Unfortunately there isn't really a lot that falls into that category since BBSs themselves are kinda fading away, but w/e.

[roasted]

Originally Posted by JC Denton

Surely this isn't an issue of laziness.

It is definitely an issue of laziness. Its a well known fact that Zok is a lazy nigger.

A new vBulletin license for 4.x versions are like $200 or something. Its very affordable. I dont know how long it'd take to migrate the data and settings, but it could easily be done in a few hours. I sure vBulletin has measures to make the transition easy and fast.

It just comes down to Zok and --kite not giving a shit about this place and being too lazy to upgrade the forum.

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by Lanny

Apparently the vB3 devs have kinda disowned vB4 (who were apparently replaced for the most part), so there's some controversy over 3 being better or worse than 4. Really though, if we were going to upgrade to anything we should dump this PHP pre-rendered nonsense and upgrade to a BBS that doesn't use crap practically antiquated technology. Unfortunately there isn't really a lot that falls into that category since BBSs themselves are kinda fading away, but w/e.

Lanny the Tranny is right, I have heard this as well regarding the developers. But since v4 has come out, haven't their been reviews/forums in existence that can be looked at and compared against to see the difference in updating?

What do you think we should do?

[JC Denton]

Here is a complete and detailed change log of every version from 3 to 4. I'll let you guys be the judge of whether it'd be worth the investment.

http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/...hangelog-panel

http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/...lVersions=true

Looks like theirs a total of about 4,800 fixes since 3.8.1

We could at least go up to 3.8.7 which has many bug fixes, without any big changes. It would be free.

[Bradley]

I will donate some money if I can get advertisement.

I believe this is third or fourth time I have said this both openly & to Zok.

[Lanny]

Originally Posted by JC Denton

Here is a complete and detailed change log of every version from 3 to 4. I'll let you guys be the judge of whether it'd be worth the investment.

http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/...hangelog-panel

http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/...lVersions=true

Looks like theirs a total of about 4,800 fixes since 3.8.1

We could at least go up to 3.8.7 which has many bug fixes, without any big changes. It would be free.

Are there any particular bugs you'd like to see fixed? Zuper is a tech admin, he should be able to patch it if you can identify it, but if you just want to upgrade to have a higher version number, well that's just silly.

[JC Denton]

Originally Posted by Lanny

Are there any particular bugs you'd like to see fixed? Zuper is a tech admin, he should be able to patch it if you can identify it, but if you just want to upgrade to have a higher version number, well that's just silly.

I'd like to see them all fixed. Doing this manually would be extremely time consuming and i can guarantee shit will not get done properly or done at all. It would be risky and require a lot of downtime. Is it even legal to fuck with software that isn't open? Why go through all the trouble when it can be done automatically. Honestly, what you're proposing is what's really silly.

Its not just about bugfixes either. I'd like to see some of the new features in v4, some of which are useful. The forum is the main attraction of zoklet, yet i feel limited in exchanging information with this archaic software.

[RadicalApex]

Originally Posted by JC Denton

I'd like to see them all fixed. Doing this manually would be extremely time consuming and i can guarantee shit will not get done properly or done at all. It would be risky and require a lot of downtime. Is it even legal to fuck with software that isn't open? Why go through all the trouble when it can be done automatically. Honestly, what you're proposing is what's really silly.

They mostly are, we run a very customized version of vbulletin it's far from the stock 3.8.1 And if we upgraded we would loose much functionality of the site that Zok has implemented. Carring over this code would cause hours of downtime to copy to the new and every new version of vbulletin. So it's better to patch bugs as we go. Version number means nothing when you customize the code.

[JC Denton]

Originally Posted by RadicalApex

They mostly are, we run a very customized version of vbulletin it's far from the stock 3.8.1 And if we upgraded we would loose much functionality of the site that Zok has implemented. Carring over this code would cause hours of downtime to copy to the new and every new version of vbulletin. So it's better to patch bugs as we go. Version number means nothing when you customize the code.

Exactly what special custom functionalities are you talking about?

[Dfg]

Won't work. This website wasn't built with portability in mind nor it was built to go in line with future technologies. Plus, it would really crap your servers and you would lose a lot of stuff and there would a big forum drama over the upgrade and stuff. Plus, considering I worked with VB4 (Pretty good at it actually) I know for a fact that designing would be a bitch.

So, yeah take it from a guy that has worked on both VB3 and VB4. It's not feasible. Plus, with the current DB size and the Intel Atom server, yeah good luck.

Also, it's not worth the effort. For a community that generates nothing but shit revenue, has a destructive user base,has creepy fucks and basically can't be trusted, no sane person would go through that shit.

Hell, even won't do it now. But luckily when I was at my peak, I did do all of that stuff in record time. I can still implement fuckload of stuff in few hours and get it running, I am good at that but not for this place. Like not ever again.

You should be glad you have this version running without any major issues.

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by Dfg

Hell, even won't do it now. But luckily when I was at my peak, I did do all of that stuff in record time. I can still implement fuckload of stuff in few hours and get it running, I am good at that but not for this place. Like not ever again.

You should be glad you have this version running without any major issues.

Good effort convincing everyone of your greatness.

[JC Denton]

a typical crash between conservatives and liberals.

It might work now, but how will it fare in a decade? Perhaps this crystallization is a contributing factor in zoklet going to shit. There is an obvious downward spiral into self-destruction. Yet no one gives enough of a shit to do anything about it.

I just visited totseans. They are using the latest vb and the place almost seems to be thriving. The userbase here is destructive and creepy indeed, which is another major factor. it appears to be a good thing that most of those douchebags and trolls migrated here instead of that other place after totse got shut down. Even if it has more of the original userbase, im starting to doubt his is the true spiritual successor of totse.

[RadicalApex]

Originally Posted by JC Denton

Exactly what special custom functionalities are you talking about?

Ask someone with admin rights, they know more about the code than I do, but I know the thanks button does not come with vbulletin. Thats a hack. Various security and bug patches as well.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

Upgrade to UBB

[RadicalApex]

Originally Posted by a224

Upgrade to UBB

Hells yeah lets kick it old school totse style haha.

[Lanny]

Originally Posted by JC Denton

I'd like to see them all fixed. Doing this manually would be extremely time consuming and i can guarantee shit will not get done properly or done at all. It would be risky and require a lot of downtime. Is it even legal to fuck with software that isn't open? Why go through all the trouble when it can be done automatically. Honestly, what you're proposing is what's really silly.

Its not just about bugfixes either. I'd like to see some of the new features in v4, some of which are useful. The forum is the main attraction of zoklet, yet i feel limited in exchanging information with this archaic software.

I'm trying to help you here. The vB4 thing is definitely not going to happen (which you shouldn't care about because it's still shit software). And honestly the upgrade is unlikely because Zok would have to do it himself and all drama and politics aside we know zok probably doesn't have time for that. So, to that end if you communicate any problems you personally have an issue with I would be happy to work on getting them resolved.

Originally Posted by Dfg

Won't work. This website wasn't built with portability in mind nor it was built to go in line with future technologies. Plus, it would really crap your servers and you would lose a lot of stuff and there would a big forum drama over the upgrade and stuff. Plus, considering I worked with VB4 (Pretty good at it actually) I know for a fact that designing would be a bitch.

So, yeah take it from a guy that has worked on both VB3 and VB4. It's not feasible. Plus, with the current DB size and the Intel Atom server, yeah good luck.

Also, it's not worth the effort. For a community that generates nothing but shit revenue, has a destructive user base,has creepy fucks and basically can't be trusted, no sane person would go through that shit.

Hell, even won't do it now. But luckily when I was at my peak, I did do all of that stuff in record time. I can still implement fuckload of stuff in few hours and get it running, I am good at that but not for this place. Like not ever again.

You should be glad you have this version running without any major issues.

Atom server? What are you even talking about?

[Dfg]

Originally Posted by Bradley

Good effort convincing everyone of your greatness.

Glad you liked it.

Originally Posted by Lanny

I'm trying to help you here. The vB4 thing is definitely not going to happen (which you shouldn't care about because it's still shit software). And honestly the upgrade is unlikely because Zok would have to do it himself and all drama and politics aside we know zok probably doesn't have time for that. So, to that end if you communicate any problems you personally have an issue with I would be happy to work on getting them resolved.



Atom server? What are you even talking about?

Well, I don't keep up with server news but I think Zoklet ran of an Atom Server easlier, Zok might have upraded the server or moved the host. So, my information isn't accurate on that front.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

Originally Posted by Lanny

I'm trying to help you here. The vB4 thing is definitely not going to happen (which you shouldn't care about because it's still shit software). And honestly the upgrade is unlikely because Zok would have to do it himself and all drama and politics aside we know zok probably doesn't have time for that. So, to that end if you communicate any problems you personally have an issue with I would be happy to work on getting them resolved.



Atom server? What are you even talking about?

have u herd of the of atom processor? like the shits in netbooks and tablets? thats what zoklets server runs on.

[Lanny]

Originally Posted by Dfg

Well, I don't keep up with server news but I think Zoklet ran of an Atom Server easlier, Zok might have upraded the server or moved the host. So, my information isn't accurate on that front.

Nah, no one would run a server on an Atom CPU. This site would not move, like, at all, if the server were anything in the Atom line.

[Dfg]

Originally Posted by Lanny

Nah, no one would run a server on an Atom CPU. This site would not move, like, at all, if the server were anything in the Atom line.

Search through the News section post. I am pretty sure Zok bragged about it.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

i remember that post i think its running on like 4 atom procs

[LSA King]

Originally Posted by a224

have u herd of the of atom processor? like the shits in netbooks and tablets? thats what zoklets server runs on.

I lol'd because at one time the forums were running on an Atom processor back when it was all the rage. Then people found out Atom servers, much less notebooks were laughable.

[Lanny]

Originally Posted by LSA King

I lol'd because at one time the forums were running on an Atom processor back when it was all the rage. Then people found out Atom servers, much less notebooks were laughable.

Atoms are pretty decent for embed systems and whatnot, but it is beyond me why someone would put one in a server.

[Issue313]

Originally Posted by Lanny

Atoms are pretty decent for embed systems and whatnot, but it is beyond me why someone would put one in a server.

I think it used to be a better idea for people who wanted their own system, back before virtual machine technology improved.

Regarding the OP, I would propose a more radical idea, and that is to replace the current BBS with a clean install. There are a lot of bugs in the system, and an easy, time effective way to fix them is to wipe and restart. We all are familiar with the idea of reinstalling Windows. Only the archived threads really need to be retained.

[mexico]

I've never worked with 3rd party BBS software. How easy is it to migrate, let's say, strictly the user tables from one 3rd party to another? What about migrating from a 3rd part to a custom? If it were my forum I would create a simple BBS system on a LAMP server using JSF, jconnecter, servlets, and struts. Maybe use a 3rd party for user authentication. Who needs are the fucking bells and whistles? Does a site of this magnitude even need a full pledge application server or could it run in a container such as tomcat? I'm not sure what the schema looks like but I can't imagine migrating only the tables containing user data would be too much of a hassle

[mexico]

Not to mention all the bugs on this site from all the bells and whistles. The img iframe allowing users to change others themes, delete others thanks, and send private messages under spoofed usernames (granted all this could mostly be prevented by adding a csrf token). Instead of putting all the extras they should implement proper database constraints, and server/client side protection on all fields. Tbh I like the old old old school bbs without all the styling and features. This place is suppose to be about freedom of information, not some fancy abercrombie and fitch design