What would you do if it were proven beyond all doubt that the Christian God exists?

[Dionysus]

I would fuck him in the asshole.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by InspiredByMe

Christians...moral conduct...

Priests...rape children...

Does not compute.

Atheists rape children too.

Originally Posted by Dionysus

I would fuck him in the asshole.

So you're a homosexual and finally out of the closet.

[InspiredByMe]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Atheists rape children too.

It's a little different when you are supposed to be the moral and ethical guide for a congregation of people you fucking dumbass.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

So you're a homosexual and finally out of the closet.

Are you telling me that if you had evidence beyond all doubt that Jehovah existed that you WOULDN'T want to immediately sodomize him?

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

Are you telling me that if you had evidence beyond all doubt that Jehovah existed that you WOULDN'T want to immediately sodomize him?

No, because I'm not gay. Plus God frowns on that behavior and would likely make your life a living hell before sending you to hell after you die.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

No, because I'm not gay. Plus God frowns on that behavior and would likely make your life a living hell before sending you to hell after you die.

That's fine by me. Who would want to live with a bunch of puritanical Mormon pussies in heaven anyway? I would be begging for hell out of sheer boredom after a few weeks, let alone eternity.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

That's fine by me. Who would want to live with a bunch of puritanical Mormon pussies in heaven anyway? I would be begging for hell out of sheer boredom after a few weeks, let alone eternity.

Heaven by definition would be everything you want. Hell by definition would be everything you don't want. People included. If you don't want puritanical heaven, then it won't be puritanical. Hell on the other hand would be extremely puritanical on top of the punishments you would be receiving, since that is what you don't want.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Heaven by definition would be everything you want. Hell by definition would be everything you don't want. People included. If you don't want puritanical heaven, then it won't be puritanical. Hell on the other hand would be extremely puritanical on top of the punishments you would be receiving, since that is what you don't want.

That's just fucking stupid. God would send me to hell for fucking him in the ass, and hell would be puritanical. If however I abstain from sodomizing god, I will go to heaven where I can indulge in all the deity buggering I want for all eternity. You are fucking silly.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

That's just fucking stupid. God would send me to hell for fucking him in the ass, and hell would be puritanical. If however I abstain from sodomizing god, I will go to heaven where I can indulge in all the deity buggering I want for all eternity. You are fucking silly.

Are your homosexual lusts really that severe?

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Are your homosexual lusts really that severe?

They most certainly are.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

They most certainly are.

Wait till heaven to indulge.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Wait till heaven to indulge.

That is precisely the reason why I worship Lucifer.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

That is precisely the reason why I worship Lucifer.

Explain to me how Lucifer differs from Jesus. If I recall, Lucifer means "light bringer" and the light is exactly what Jesus brought.

[JeffreyH]

This thread proves that nobody actually reads through the threads on here any more.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Explain to me how Lucifer differs from Jesus. If I recall, Lucifer means "light bringer" and the light is exactly what Jesus brought.

Well, the difference is that Jesus preaches submission, whilst Lucifer encourages doing what thou wilt. Besides, they both are Christian composites of Prometheus and Dionysus, as well as a few more pagan deities. It's just one is the cuddly, sanitized, pacified, castrated version whilst the other retains some of it's primal power.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

Well, the difference is that Jesus preaches submission, whilst Lucifer encourages doing what thou wilt. Besides, they both are Christian composites of Prometheus and Dionysus, as well as a few more pagan deities. It's just one is the cuddly, sanitized, pacified, castrated version whilst the other retains some of it's primal power.

So you consider yourself a morally perfect person. That's delusional narcissism.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

So you consider yourself a morally perfect person. That's delusional narcissism.

I prefer to consider myself a morally void person. I don't consider myself at all though, being a delusional narcissist it is not my job to analyze my perfect self. I leave that you people like you.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

I prefer to consider myself a morally void person. I don't consider myself at all though, being a delusional narcissist it is not my job to analyze my perfect self. I leave that you people like you.

You make solipsism seem like a good answer.

[SHARP]

Originally Posted by Mr.Happy

The nature of the proof doesn't matter, but it's completely irrefutable.

Got it, completely irrefutable.

Originally Posted by Mr.Happy

As in, God actually appeared and proved that He was God. Trying to claim that God exists after His appearance would be as silly as claiming that the grass is green. In fact, for the sake of argument, one of His proofs was to turn all grass an astonishing, indefinable, shimmering colour for a week, and when it returned to green it had "God is great" written on every blade. All new grass would also have this message, which was encoded in its genes. And many other proofs;

I got it at the "completely irrefutable" part.

Originally Posted by Mr.Happy

He was willing to indulge every proof that anybody asked of Him, for one week.

How nice of him, however I think he should provide proof of his existence each and every time someone demanded it. Considering people reproduce at a pretty fast pace on a global scale, theres a constant and increasing amount of people who reach a point where they've attained sufficient intellect to form a question regarding their own existence, if the christian god is a good and fair god, naturally he'd not just whip up a miracle or two for a week and then be done with it. I'm sorry, but that's just not good enough.
Any omnipotent being should be able to continually proof its own existence 24/7/365, if not, I don't consider this being omnipotent.

Originally Posted by Mr.Happy

He then explained that there was evil in the world because of human free will;

I'm fairly certain the bible states that this very god actually were responsible for just that phenomenon, so it seems that either A) this god isn't as infallible as the bible states, or B) simply a downright egotistical son of a bitch who finds a perverted pleasure in torturing his own creations (for eternity) by first granting them free will, and then punishing them when they use that same free will.
Oh, and by the way, one is perfectly capable of having a free will without being a jerk, in much the same way it's perfectly possible to be a real asswipe without free will. If you need examples, just look at the religious fundamentalists all over the planet, in effect they don't have any free will as their lives are dictated by scriptures, and yet they commit the most horrible atrocities we've seen, and still see.
The only logical conclusion must be that free will ≠ evil, nor is the latter a product of the former.
Actually, it's easier to make someone do evil deeds when they don't have free will, have you ever heard the expression "I was just following orders"?
As far as I'm aware, the reason for, and methods used to, cause people to commit horrendous acts upon each other, is a whole psychological study in itself, some people spend their entire lives trying to figure out how and why some people end up as torturers and worse. One method is by dehumanizing the victims, if you don't perceive others as equal human beings with the same basic human rights as yourself, it's easier to harm them, and it gets even easier if you don't have to think about what you're doing as someone else higher up takes the responsibility and that's an established fact I assume most people know.

Originally Posted by Mr.Happy

to make everything well for everyone would be to suppress free will,

No, that would be what is commonly referred to as "a dictatorship".
But Happy, I'm getting a bit confused here, according to the bible this here muppet some people refer to as a "god", is infallible, right? And this "god" grants us free will, right? And now he decides in his infinite wisdom that "maybe it wasn't such a good idea with all this free will all over the place", and so he suppresses it?
So, he figured out his assumption was wrong... That's not being infallible, so the only logical conclusion must be that either A) the bible is wrong (which could easily be excused on the account of it being written by man), or B) this god dude is a paradox and thus can not exist.

Originally Posted by Mr.Happy

and He considers free will a gift greater than all others.

I'm not sure I'll agree with him, there's lots of other concepts out there that's pretty kickass as well. Imagine you couldn't feel happiness, love, hate, desire, joy, sorrow and so on. You could have all the free will in the world but if you were completely dead on the inside, would that be a life worth living? Think about it...

Originally Posted by Mr.Happy

He confirmed that Heaven would be available to all those who followed His scripture, and passed down an authoritative version of the Bible and ten updated commandments.

Just to make sure we're on the same page, first this motherfucker grants us free will, and then suppresses it with the threat of eternal damnation?
You know what Mr. Happy, that guy doesn't sound a whole lot like someone I could agree with, actually I think he sounds like an unfair, psychotic, and utterly deranged individual that should be exterminated at the first possible opportunity for the good of humanity.

Do you remember what I said about being capable of being a nice guy guy even though you have free will? Good, I assume we can agree that an infallible, omnipotent and supreme being with the power to grant others free will, must in and of itself posses free will, and thus can choose what to do with it.
If you choose to use that free will to do evil deeds, like for example being an oppressive smuck, you aren't good in any sense of the word, and thus don't deserve my respect, much less my admiration.
So again, the only logical conclusion must be that either A) the bible is wrong (again, I might add, but that shit is so full of contradictions I've lost count long ago, which makes me consider most of it probably is), or B) this god character needs to be put down as fast as possible for the sake of my self preservation, shit, for the sake of humanity as a whole!

Originally Posted by Mr.Happy

To all other theological questions, He merely laughed and said that it is beyond our understanding.

...To which I could only reply -"How about I bloody well decide that for myself!"

Originally Posted by Mr.Happy

Then He went back to Heaven and said that He would return in 2000 years, in whatever form He saw fit.

The consequence would be that I shouldn't any longer be labeled as an agnostic atheist, but more as an anti-christian who'd go to pretty great lengths to destroy this egotistical and evil fascist scum of a so called "god".

Originally Posted by Mr.Happy

What would you do?

Go to war.

Originally Posted by Mr.Happy

What would you say to Christians?

-"Your leader is worse than all of the dictators throughout history, combined, apparently he has the power to do infinite good, but chooses to do infinite evil, how can you possibly follow someone like him?"
Come to think of it, I probably wouldn't say anything but merely conclude they were beyond help.
I wouldn't target them though (unless of course they targeted me first, no one can take away my right to defend myself), I'd forgive them as they were obviously mentally challenged and I can't really hold them responsible if they can't see what they do is fucked up (forgive them, for they know not what they do, or however it is it goes), I would however dedicate all my time to get to their boss.

Originally Posted by Mr.Happy

Would you live a Christian life?

No, I don't believe in the concept of joining those I can't beat, I think it is a pathetic loser's way, some people might prefer to live on their knees, I'd prefer to die on my feet!

[Pee Vee Proots, M.D.]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Pathetic? No, I think not. As for you becoming a monk, what's stopping you now? Lack of evidence?

Yes. Pathetic. Wanting to gloat about having been right all along is petty, prideful, and childish. Jesus would most certainly not approve of people who go out of their way to say "I told you so."

And yes to lack of evidence. Of course lack of evidence. I'm not locking myself in a monastery over a God I have no belief in. There may be a God/pantheon and I'm all for being something of a monk for them already. The only thing that would change would be my focus if the biblical God were ever confirmed to be real.

[JeffreyH]

Originally Posted by SHARP

Got it, completely irrefutable.



I got it at the "completely irrefutable" part.



How nice of him, however I think he should provide proof of his existence each and every time someone demanded it. Considering people reproduce at a pretty fast pace on a global scale, theres a constant and increasing amount of people who reach a point where they've attained sufficient intellect to form a question regarding their own existence, if the christian god is a good and fair god, naturally he'd not just whip up a miracle or two for a week and then be done with it. I'm sorry, but that's just not good enough.
Any omnipotent being should be able to continually proof its own existence 24/7/365, if not, I don't consider this being omnipotent.



I'm fairly certain the bible states that this very god actually were responsible for just that phenomenon, so it seems that either A) this god isn't as infallible as the bible states, or B) simply a downright egotistical son of a bitch who finds a perverted pleasure in torturing his own creations (for eternity) by first granting them free will, and then punishing them when they use that same free will.
Oh, and by the way, one is perfectly capable of having a free will without being a jerk, in much the same way it's perfectly possible to be a real asswipe without free will. If you need examples, just look at the religious fundamentalists all over the planet, in effect they don't have any free will as their lives are dictated by scriptures, and yet they commit the most horrible atrocities we've seen, and still see.
The only logical conclusion must be that free will ≠ evil, nor is the latter a product of the former.
Actually, it's easier to make someone do evil deeds when they don't have free will, have you ever heard the expression "I was just following orders"?
As far as I'm aware, the reason for, and methods used to, cause people to commit horrendous acts upon each other, is a whole psychological study in itself, some people spend their entire lives trying to figure out how and why some people end up as torturers and worse. One method is by dehumanizing the victims, if you don't perceive others as equal human beings with the same basic human rights as yourself, it's easier to harm them, and it gets even easier if you don't have to think about what you're doing as someone else higher up takes the responsibility and that's an established fact I assume most people know.



No, that would be what is commonly referred to as "a dictatorship".
But Happy, I'm getting a bit confused here, according to the bible this here muppet some people refer to as a "god", is infallible, right? And this "god" grants us free will, right? And now he decides in his infinite wisdom that "maybe it wasn't such a good idea with all this free will all over the place", and so he suppresses it?
So, he figured out his assumption was wrong... That's not being infallible, so the only logical conclusion must be that either A) the bible is wrong (which could easily be excused on the account of it being written by man), or B) this god dude is a paradox and thus can not exist.



I'm not sure I'll agree with him, there's lots of other concepts out there that's pretty kickass as well. Imagine you couldn't feel happiness, love, hate, desire, joy, sorrow and so on. You could have all the free will in the world but if you were completely dead on the inside, would that be a life worth living? Think about it...



Just to make sure we're on the same page, first this motherfucker grants us free will, and then suppresses it with the threat of eternal damnation?
You know what Mr. Happy, that guy doesn't sound a whole lot like someone I could agree with, actually I think he sounds like an unfair, psychotic, and utterly deranged individual that should be exterminated at the first possible opportunity for the good of humanity.

Do you remember what I said about being capable of being a nice guy guy even though you have free will? Good, I assume we can agree that an infallible, omnipotent and supreme being with the power to grant others free will, must in and of itself posses free will, and thus can choose what to do with it.
If you choose to use that free will to do evil deeds, like for example being an oppressive smuck, you aren't good in any sense of the word, and thus don't deserve my respect, much less my admiration.
So again, the only logical conclusion must be that either A) the bible is wrong (again, I might add, but that shit is so full of contradictions I've lost count long ago, which makes me consider most of it probably is), or B) this god character needs to be put down as fast as possible for the sake of my self preservation, shit, for the sake of humanity as a whole!



...To which I could only reply -"How about I bloody well decide that for myself!"



The consequence would be that I shouldn't any longer be labeled as an agnostic atheist, but more as an anti-christian who'd go to pretty great lengths to destroy this egotistical and evil fascist scum of a so called "god".



Go to war.



-"Your leader is worse than all of the dictators throughout history, combined, apparently he has the power to do infinite good, but chooses to do infinite evil, how can you possibly follow someone like him?"
Come to think of it, I probably wouldn't say anything but merely conclude they were beyond help.
I wouldn't target them though (unless of course they targeted me first, no one can take away my right to defend myself), I'd forgive them as they were obviously mentally challenged and I can't really hold them responsible if they can't see what they do is fucked up (forgive them, for they know not what they do, or however it is it goes), I would however dedicate all my time to get to their boss.



No, I don't believe in the concept of joining those I can't beat, I think it is a pathetic loser's way, some people might prefer to live on their knees, I'd prefer to die on my feet!

Originally Posted by SHARP

I wouldn't give a shit, when I fall, some hot Valkyrie will still swoop down and pick me up to go drinking with Odin every night and fight great battles every day until Ragnarok, and that my friend, beats the living shit out of spending eternity in a place where some self centered dude expects everyone to look up to him just to stroke his ginourmous ego.
Seriously, if Heaven is a place where the lamb will sleep next to the lion and all that bullshit, I can only think of that place as a nightmare dreamt by a madman.

Lol.

[SHARP]

Originally Posted by JeffreyH

Lol.

Yeah, I was in Extra-Drunk-Viking mode when I posted that.

EDIT: Last post I actually put a bit of thought into.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Pee Vee Proots, M.D.

Yes. Pathetic. Wanting to gloat about having been right all along is petty, prideful, and childish. Jesus would most certainly not approve of people who go out of their way to say "I told you so."

And yes to lack of evidence. Of course lack of evidence. I'm not locking myself in a monastery over a God I have no belief in. There may be a God/pantheon and I'm all for being something of a monk for them already. The only thing that would change would be my focus if the biblical God were ever confirmed to be real.

I think God Himself would say, as he was proving Himself, something along the lines of "For those of you who were too slow to discover me on your own, here's your proof."

[Brainbuster]

I would say to god, "You've got a lot of explaining to do."
I would also ask why Jesus never wrote down anything,
but is quoted in the Bible as saying, "Why do you call ME good? No one is good but God alone."
And, "The Father is greater than I am."
It seems to me that Jesus himself did not believe he was the Supreme God, or even "good."

I would also add that the answer, "It's beyond your mortal comprehension.." is a total cop-out. Here's why: The god defined by "Christianity," carries a hundred different definitions. Which God of Xianity are you talking about?
An all-good, all-knowing, all-present god is oxymoronic and self-contradictory, just as a "Circle with Corners," is self-contradictory, and cannot be "proven." You cannot say, "I know that a circle with corners exists, but it's beyond YOUR comprehension."

Again, the God of Xianity changes every decade. Every Xian says, "Oh, those who tortured thousands for the sake of Christ weren't REAL Xians," and "Those who held Galileo captive for his scientific observations weren't REAL Xians...but I have the correct interpretation of scripture (500 years later)."

No. It's not beyond comprehension. The moment you assert it, you contradict yourself. Look up Bertrand Russell's reasons for not believing.

Also, I would ask God why he never commissioned anyone to make a "Bible," but somehow men got together in 364 years after Christ died and compiled our present-day "Bible."

The confidence of Christians is in direct proportion to their ignorance of history. In other words, the more you know about who wrote the "Bible," (most of it was written anonymously, btw...even the gospels, and decades or centuries later we just shoved in "according to Matthew," etc...this is no secret to scholars, but it's not preached by televangelists), the more you know, the less you believe.
The less you know, the more you think you know, but really don't.

No offense to any Xians out there, I used to be a hard core thumper. Just read your Bible more and I assure you, you'll wake up.

[33% God]

I would tell him to stop with cop out bullshit and answer a fucking question.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Brainbuster

I would say to god, "You've got a lot of explaining to do."
I would also ask why Jesus never wrote down anything,
but is quoted in the Bible as saying, "Why do you call ME good? No one is good but God alone."
And, "The Father is greater than I am."
It seems to me that Jesus himself did not believe he was the Supreme God, or even "good."

I would also add that the answer, "It's beyond your mortal comprehension.." is a total cop-out." Here's why: The god defined by "Christianity," carries a hundred different definitions. Which God of Xianity are you talking about?
An all-good, all-knowing, all-present god is oxymoronic and self-contradictory, just as a "Circle with Corners," is self-contradictory, and cannot be "proven." You cannot say, "I know that a circle with corners exists, but it's beyond YOUR comprehension."

Again, the God of Xianity changes every decade. Every Xian says, "Oh, those who tortured thousands for the sake of Christ weren't REAL Xians," and "Those who held Galileo captive for his scientific observations weren't REAL Xians...but I have the correct interpretation of scripture (500 years later)."

No. It's not beyond comprehension. The moment you assert it, you contradict yourself. Look up Bertrand Russell's reasons for not believing.

Also, I would ask God why he never commissioned anyone to make a "Bible," but somehow men got together in 364 years after Christ died and compiled our present-day "Bible."

The confidence of Christians is in direct proportion to their ignorance of history. In other words, the more you know about who wrote the "Bible," (most of it was written anonymously, btw...even the gospels, and decades or centuries later we just shoved in "according to Matthew," etc...this is no secret to scholars, but it's not preached by televangelists), the more you know, the less you believe.
The less you know, the more you think you know, but really don't.

No offense to any Xians out there, I used to be a hard core thumper. Just read your Bible more and I assure you, you'll wake up.

You think being trapped in and not looking beyond the material universe is being awake? You've succumb to double-think I think.

[Brainbuster]

[quote=TheSexyBeast821;3727213]Atheists rape children too.


Is that why we've heard so much about all the scientists raping children?

Over 90% of the Royal Academy of Scientists guys are atheists.
Seems to me that more priests are raping children than atheists (probably out of frustration).

[BITCH TITZ]

I would beg for forgiveness and devote my life to him.

[Brainbuster]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

You think being trapped in and not looking beyond the material universe is being awake? You've succumb to double-think I think.

I disagree that I am "trapped" in a material universe.
I made no philosophical argument against a transcendent reality,
and I did not restrict myself to a materialist position.
In fact, I wrote 7 paragraphs, and you haven't touched on any of them, even remotely.

Apparently you've been trapped in a black and white world divided between Christians and
staunch-atheists-who-are-also-materialists-and-rationalists.

When you get out of that trap, there are many shades of color for you to see.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Brainbuster

I disagree that I am "trapped" in a material universe.
I made no philosophical argument against a transcendent reality,
and I did not restrict myself to a materialist position.
In fact, I wrote 7 paragraphs, and you haven't touched on any of them, even remotely.

Apparently you've been trapped in a black and white world divided between Christians and
staunch-atheists-who-are-also-materialists-and-rationalists.

When you get out of that trap, there are many shades of color for you to see.

If you aren't trapped in a material universe, where else are you?

[Psycho0124]

Originally Posted by Mr.Happy

The nature of the proof doesn't matter, but it's completely irrefutable. As in, God actually appeared and proved that He was God....
...What would you do? What would you say to Christians? Would you live a Christian life?

It would be time for some bitter recrimination.
I'd take eternal damnation over worshiping such a tantrum-prone, selfish, paranoid, intrusive, overbearing, xenophobic, murderous asshole of a deity.

I would still find the christians contemptible for their hypocrisy in worshiping said asshole.

[Eridani]

Probably start going to church.

[Brainbuster]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

If you aren't trapped in a material universe, where else are you?

You might have a good point,
and whatever answer I give would probably lose you this argument.
Are you arguing against yourself on purpose?

You suggested that I am "trapped" in a material universe,
and that I am short-sighted for "not looking beyond" the material.

You concluded that I am an atheist,
and furthermore that I am a materialist,
simply because I oppose Christianity.

I'm not clear what your position is,
and you obviously have no idea what my position is.
Why continue?

[reject]

I'd still think he's a cunt.

[ZeroMalarki]

I'd be like hey.. "Remember all that time I used to believe you.. that's got to count for something right? Aw come on.. I'm not that bad."

Seriously though.. if that happens I would shit-a-brick.

Not just any old brick though, one about as holy as the walls of the fucking Vatican.

[FON]

All the cool people are already in hell

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Brainbuster

You might have a good point,
and whatever answer I give would probably lose you this argument.
Are you arguing against yourself on purpose?

You suggested that I am "trapped" in a material universe,
and that I am short-sighted for "not looking beyond" the material.

You concluded that I am an atheist,
and furthermore that I am a materialist,
simply because I oppose Christianity.

I'm not clear what your position is,
and you obviously have no idea what my position is.
Why continue?

Tell me, since you deny being trapped in the material universe, where else are you or have you been? Besides dreams, of course.

[Brainbuster]

If you have a point to make, be a man and make it.

[Danger]

Athiests know their image of what "god" "is" dosn't exist. which is true. "reality", "god", the "universe", etc exist beyond our imagination, beyond our narrow senses & perceptions, our "reality tunnel"...

[criminal_intent]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Explain to me how Lucifer differs from Jesus. If I recall, Lucifer means "light bringer" and the light is exactly what Jesus brought.

this.

and the name jesus is false he is a pagan god created by the government of latter day and was ment to adapt to future as it has because christianity is still strong to this day its a form of population control and everyones blind to it FACT