Brits threaten to storm Ecuadorian embassy to capture Assange

[Xavier-]

Originally Posted by Vox Ducis

Assange could get out of the embassy in a diplomatic container (unsearchable, unseizable).

[reject]

I'd be down for that. I rather you gave FARC some of our politicians though.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by jheit8

If you didn't notice, the Ecuadorian foreign minister was first asked for permission in opening the diplomatic mail.

Given that the cooperative chap in question, Ricardo Patino, was censured by his own government for insider dealing, his integrity is questionable at best. He probably didn't want to implicate himself. Again.

[Morb]

Assange is popular not because of what he's doing (which is what his fans claim), but because what he's doing is in alignment with a leftist agenda. The leftists will rule the world some day.

If someone were to do the same thing, only they were making public stuff that the left around the world doesn't want exposed, suddenly he'd be a villain.

He'd be a villain either way with me, people who do what he does are more dangerous overall than the dangers they try to expose. And he does all he does while hoping for no consequences to himself, and he accepts no consequences for what he does. That is not a person worth respecting.

It's all fun and games until someone like Assange does something YOU don't like.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Morb

Assange is popular not because of what he's doing (which is what his fans claim), but because he's doing what he's doing in alignment with a leftist agenda.

If someone were to do the same thing, only they were making public stuff that the left around the world doesn't want exposed, suddenly he'd be a villain.

He'd be a villain either way with me, people who do what he does are more dangerous overall than the dangers they try to expose. And he does all he does while hoping for no consequences to himself, and he accepts no consequences for what he does. That is not a person worth respecting.

It's all fun and games until someone like Assange does something YOU don't like.

This is all speculative nonsense. He revealed shit the Obama administration has done too, it wasn't just an attack on Bush.

Unless you're associating leftism with "free and open government" which doesn't necessarily go hand in hand. Though it should, in my opinion.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

Unless you're associating leftism with "free and open government" which doesn't necessarily go hand in hand. Though it should, in my opinion.

If by "free and open government" you mean open season on women and children, and freedom to prostitute them at will, Assange certainly has picked the right buddies for the task.

[jheit8]

Originally Posted by Morb

Assange is popular not because of what he's doing (which is what his fans claim), but because what he's doing is in alignment with a leftist agenda. The leftists will rule the world some day.

If someone were to do the same thing, only they were making public stuff that the left around the world doesn't want exposed, suddenly he'd be a villain.

He'd be a villain either way with me, people who do what he does are more dangerous overall than the dangers they try to expose. And he does all he does while hoping for no consequences to himself, and he accepts no consequences for what he does. That is not a person worth respecting.

It's all fun and games until someone like Assange does something YOU don't like.

Wasn't this the plot of a South Park episode?

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

If by "free and open government" you mean open season on women and children, and freedom to prostitute them at will, Assange certainly has picked the right buddies for the task.

I'm sorry, are you trying to say something relevant? Or perhaps distract from governments prosecuting someone solely because he pointed out how full of shit they are? The rape charges are sketch at best, and even if they were 100% legitimate, I've never seen so many countries all in a tizzy over a felony that didn't take place in their borders.

The UK is considering violating international law for a questionable rape extradition? Really now? I didn't realize they were so zealous about the topic. It's a shame the UK and US doesn't actually take rape so seriously. We might get something done on it.

[Vox Ducis]

Originally Posted by jheit8

If you didn't notice, the Ecuadorian foreign minister was first asked for permission in opening the diplomatic mail.
I had a kooky idea. If/when the UK sends Assange off to their american puppet masters, maybe Ecuador can give FARC a few British diplomats, some HD cameras, and a satellite van. Blood for blood?

Ecuador allows FARC to lead operations against Colombia from its soil. It wouldn't be surprising if British citizens were going to have a hard time in Ecuador and in the other so-called democratic countries in Central and South America.

Assange isn't a diplomat; he's a propagandist, a puppet of the Russian government. Do you think he would be hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy if Russia, Iran and Venezuela had been his main targets? Certainly not. He'd already be in Sweden and maybe cleared of all charges.

When you try to escape questioning using shitty excuses, it's often a sign of guilt. Playing the victim leads nowhere, except for those like him who crave attention. He's ridiculous.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Vox Ducis

Ecuador allows FARC to lead operations against Colombia from its soil. It wouldn't be surprising if British citizens were going to have a hard time in Ecuador and in the other so-called democratic countries in Central and South America.

Assange isn't a diplomat; he's a propagandist, a puppet of the Russian government. Do you think he would be hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy if Russia, Iran and Venezuela had been his main targets? Certainly not. He'd already be in Sweden and maybe cleared of all charges.

When you try to escape questioning using shitty excuses, it's often a sign of guilt. Playing the victim leads nowhere, except for those like him who crave attention. He's ridiculous.

It's common knowledge that Russia and many Latin American countries are corrupt as fuck. The West talks about that all the time.

Revealing that the West is hypocritical and full of shit is more important, in my opinion. Vladmir Putin doesn't have the Russian people's best interest in mind?!? Say it isn't so.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

I'm sorry, are you trying to say something relevant?

Sure, it's relevant. Assange is wanted for a rape investigation, and the people protecting him are one of the human trafficking rape destinations of the world. Hmmmm, coincidence? You can *assume* that he's not guilty, just because he says so, but when you look at the company he keeps...

Or perhaps distract from governments prosecuting someone solely because he pointed out how full of shit they are?

The wikileaks incident is more than "pointing out how full of shit they are", which is why retards like you love him so much. Because he did something ultrakewl, ultrarebellious, holy fuck he's the BESM hero of the wikimasses!

The rape charges are sketch at best, and even if they were 100% legitimate, I've never seen so many countries all in a tizzy over a felony that didn't take place in their borders.

If they are legitimate, his rapist ass should be rotting in a jail cell. It's not just a "felony". It's a fucking awful crime against another human being.

The UK is considering violating international law for a questionable rape extradition? Really now? I didn't realize they were so zealous about the topic. It's a shame the UK and US doesn't actually take rape so seriously. We might get something done on it.

Does Ecuador really give a shit about international law? If they did, they probably wouldn't be one of the human trafficking depots of the world.

My point is that your double standards of civilized behavior are pure self-serving bullshit. You want your little rebel hero, but you don't want the shit-stains that he is covered in, so you'll whitewash those and pretend they don't exist.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by Morb

Assange is popular not because of what he's doing (which is what his fans claim), but because what he's doing is in alignment with a leftist agenda. The leftists will rule the world some day.

If someone were to do the same thing, only they were making public stuff that the left around the world doesn't want exposed, suddenly he'd be a villain.

It was already pointed out but it bears repeating: you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, as usual.

Wikileaks has released tons of information relating to the Obama administration (which you think is "left"). In fact, the releases of the diplomatic cables that got Assange in trouble were done in 2010 (well into the Obama administration), and concerned diplomats from the Obama administration as well as past administrations going back 40+ years. For example, they showed Hillary Clinton ordered spying on the UN Secretary General and other top diplomats around the world.

[jheit8]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

Sure, it's relevant. Assange is wanted for a rape investigation, and the people protecting him are one of the human trafficking rape destinations of the world. Hmmmm, coincidence? You can *assume* that he's not guilty, just because he says so, but when you look at the company he keeps...



The wikileaks incident is more than "pointing out how full of shit they are", which is why retards like you love him so much. Because he did something ultrakewl, ultrarebellious, holy fuck he's the BESM hero of the wikimasses!



If they are legitimate, his rapist ass should be rotting in a jail cell. It's not just a "felony". It's a fucking awful crime against another human being.



Does Ecuador really give a shit about international law? If they did, they probably wouldn't be one of the human trafficking depots of the world.

My point is that your double standards of civilized behavior are pure self-serving bullshit. You want your little rebel hero, but you don't want the shit-stains that he is covered in, so you'll whitewash those and pretend they don't exist.

Two times in one post, no source.


Legit

[broseph]

Originally Posted by Morb

Assange is popular not because of what he's doing (which is what his fans claim), but because what he's doing is in alignment with a leftist agenda.

i'm not popular because i'm driving a bmw (which is what my fans claim), but because what i'm driving is in alignment with a leftist-hand-side traffic agenda.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

Sure, it's relevant. Assange is wanted for a rape investigation, and the people protecting him are one of the human trafficking rape destinations of the world. Hmmmm, coincidence? You can *assume* that he's not guilty, just because he says so, but when you look at the company he keeps...

The fuck are you talking about? I'm not assuming anything, I'm just saying that A) The rape charges sounded sketch, and B) Governments never care this much about charges of this level for other people.

The wikileaks incident is more than "pointing out how full of shit they are", which is why retards like you love him so much. Because he did something ultrakewl, ultrarebellious, holy fuck he's the BESM hero of the wikimasses!

Erm, no...he didn't even really leak shit. Bradley Manning stole the info, this guy just published it. Not a hero. I'm merely interested in the governments freaking out about him. They didn't try prosecuting the New York Times for repeating the leaks, did they? Didn't think so.

If they are legitimate, his rapist ass should be rotting in a jail cell. It's not just a "felony". It's a fucking awful crime against another human being.

No shit, no one said otherwise.

Does Ecuador really give a shit about international law? If they did, they probably wouldn't be one of the human trafficking depots of the world.

My point is that your double standards of civilized behavior are pure self-serving bullshit. You want your little rebel hero, but you don't want the shit-stains that he is covered in, so you'll whitewash those and pretend they don't exist.

Never happened.

[1983]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

England still has a military?

I'm sure it consists of all of one man.



Looks like they've upgraded their weapons to the 19th century too!

The world we live in.

Al

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

The fuck are you talking about? I'm not assuming anything, I'm just saying that A) The rape charges sounded sketch, and B) Governments never care this much about charges of this level for other people.

a. You said sketchy *at best*. It's pretty clear that you're among those that believe the charges are completely fabricated.
b. Ecuador seems to care enough about the charges against Assange. There's that pesky double standard again, o darn.

Erm, no...he didn't even really leak shit. Bradley Manning stole the info, this guy just published it. Not a hero. I'm merely interested in the governments freaking out about him. They didn't try prosecuting the New York Times for repeating the leaks, did they? Didn't think so.

Because there's not a difference between someone reporting the news and someone acting as the go-to point for whistleblower leaks?

No shit, no one said otherwise.

See, every one of the rest of us has to answer in a court of law for our actions. You may not have said that it's not an awful crime, but you sure as hell don't think that he should have to answer to his guilt or innocence in a court of law.

Never happened.

Blatant lie. Ecuador is on the record as being one of the human trafficking checkpoints of the world. Funny how little of a damn you give about those people or Assange's possible victims, but a little hanky panky at the political level? MAJOR CRIME OMFG.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

You may not have said that it's not an awful crime, but you sure as hell don't think that he should have to answer to his guilt or innocence in a court of law.

Could you stop putting words in his mouth? At no point in time has he said he shouldn't have to answer for the accusations. Stop making shit up.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

a. You said sketchy *at best*. It's pretty clear that you're among those that believe the charges are completely fabricated.
b. Ecuador seems to care enough about the charges against Assange. There's that pesky double standard again, o darn.

Yes, at best. I don't know if they're fabricated or not, I just know that there has been controversy over people changing statements and a lack of evidence.

Because there's not a difference between someone reporting the news and someone acting as the go-to point for whistleblower leaks?

Um, no, actually. Since you seem to think differently, find me the legal mechanism that discriminates between the two. WL operates as a news site.

See, every one of the rest of us has to answer in a court of law for our actions. You may not have said that it's not an awful crime, but you sure as hell don't think that he should have to answer to his guilt or innocence in a court of law.

Except I never said that, I simply questioned the motives of all of these very interested parties. I've never seen the UK oh so interested in rape charges in another country; especially enough so to violate decades of diplomatic precedent and law, which would ruin them in the view of many. No one would take them seriously again.

Blatant lie. Ecuador is on the record as being one of the human trafficking checkpoints of the world. Funny how little of a damn you give about those people or Assange's possible victims, but a little hanky panky at the political level? MAJOR CRIME OMFG.

What is a blatant lie? I said that we know Russia and much of Latin America is a corrupt cesspool, which is why the reporting on the United States is so interesting.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

Yes, at best. I don't know if they're fabricated or not, I just know that there has been controversy over people changing statements and a lack of evidence.

The controversy has been non-stop since this issue started. That doesn't mean he shouldn't have to answer for it in a Swedish court.

Um, no, actually. Since you seem to think differently, find me the legal mechanism that discriminates between the two. WL operates as a news site.

There doesn't need to be a legal mechanism. The difference is fundamental. One acts as a general news agency, the other acts as a whistleblower outlet. To differentiate between the two on a legal level, you'd have to resolve international against national law.

Except I never said that, I simply questioned the motives of all of these very interested parties. I've never seen the UK oh so interested in rape charges in another country; especially enough so to violate decades of diplomatic precedent and law, which would ruin them in the view of many. No one would take them seriously again.

Does anyone take them seriously now, after the whole Iraq thing? Yeah, okay, this is going to CHANGE EVERYTHING (not really). Sure, there's damage. Ruin them? Please. Of course they're interested. Ecuador is using an embassy on Brit soil to harbor a fugitive. If you think *that* doesn't also damage their credibility...

What is a blatant lie? I said that we know Russia and much of Latin America is a corrupt cesspool, which is why the reporting on the United States is so interesting.

You said "Never happened." in response to my statements about Ecuador as a source and destination of human trafficking. Clearly that corruption DID happen and continues to happen, which makes your denial a blatant lie. You say that Latin America is a corrupt cesspool, then say that Ecuador didn't participate in it?

Maybe that's not what you're saying, maybe you "accidentally" replied to the whole block of text, and meant to deny another statement altogether. Maybe you should clarify what the hell you're talking about.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

The controversy has been non-stop since this issue started. That doesn't mean he shouldn't have to answer for it in a Swedish court.

No one said he shouldn't. But don't let the facts get in your way.

There doesn't need to be a legal mechanism. The difference is fundamental. One acts as a general news agency, the other acts as a whistleblower outlet. To differentiate between the two on a legal level, you'd have to resolve international against national law.

So there's no legal mechanism, got it.

Does anyone take them seriously now, after the whole Iraq thing? Yeah, okay, this is going to CHANGE EVERYTHING (not really). Sure, there's damage. Ruin them? Please. Of course they're interested. Ecuador is using an embassy on Brit soil to harbor a fugitive. If you think *that* doesn't also damage their credibility...

That doesn't mean we shouldn't keep working to bring this shit out in the light of day.

You said "Never happened." in response to my statements about Ecuador as a source and destination of human trafficking. Clearly that corruption DID happen and continues to happen, which makes your denial a blatant lie. You say that Latin America is a corrupt cesspool, then say that Ecuador didn't participate in it?

Maybe that's not what you're saying, maybe you "accidentally" replied to the whole block of text, and meant to deny another statement altogether. Maybe you should clarify what the hell you're talking about.

I said "never happened" in response to your statement that I worship him as a hero and ignore all the "shit stains" or whatever on him.

[broseph]

someone removed a thanks from me. who takes their thanks back after they've given it?

[Struwwelpeter]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

UK has to agree to give him diplomatic immunity, you fucking idiot.

Wrong again.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Jim "fuck latinos" Carrey

Wrong again.

It is an agreement between two countries by definition. The UK will not accept his diplomatic immunity.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

Didn't he rape some one?

[Struwwelpeter]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

It is an agreement between two countries by definition. The UK will not accept his diplomatic immunity.

It's not necessary.

[IIIII]

And now Russia becomes involved.

Diplomats have always enjoyed more freedom than the citizens of the Host Countries that they inhabit.

And we are finding that no citizen, whether in his own country or other than their own, has any rights if the country a person finds himself in, so decides.

Russia issues warning to Britain over Assange



AFP - Russia on Friday warned Britain against violating fundamental diplomatic principles after London suggested it could arrest WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange inside Ecuador's embassy.

"What is happening gives grounds to contemplate the observance of the spirit and the letter of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, and in particular the Article 22 spelling out the inviolability of diplomatic premises," the Russian foreign ministry said.

Ecuador on Thursday granted asylum to Assange -- whose website enraged the United States by publishing a vast cache of confidential government files -- but Britain has vowed not to grant him safe passage out of the country.

British Foreign Secretary William Hague has said his government was obliged under its own law to extradite the Australian national to Sweden, where he is wanted for questioning over alleged sex crimes.

Britain has angered Ecuador by suggesting it could invoke a domestic law allowing it to breach the usual rules and go in to arrest Assange, who has been holed up in Ecuador's London mission since June.

This would challenge a fundamental principle of the diplomatic system, and the threat has left Britain in unchartered legal waters.

At the same time, Moscow warned Britain against interpreting the law selectively, stressing that London has given refuge to "dozens of people suspected of committing grave crimes" who are wanted in other countries.

"What to do with a right to refuge for Julian Assange when London turns the observance of this right for this category of people into an absolute principle?" the Russian foreign ministry asked, referring to a number of high-profile figures granted asylum in Britain.

Russia has for years sought the extradition of top Kremlin critic Boris Berezovsky as well as several other figures.

Read more: http://www.france24.com/en/20120817-...n-over-assange

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Jim "fuck latinos" Carrey

It's not necessary.

What isn't?

[Struwwelpeter]

It's not necessary for Britain to accept his "immunity."

[Zanick]

Originally Posted by Haiti's Space Agency

Didn't he rape some one?

I thought it was a broken condom. Either way, it's interesting to how see the authorities of our most civilized nations will patronize rape victims. From what I've noticed, most sources refer to charges of a 'sex crime' or something similar, but always intentionally vague. This allows the audience to make their own inferences, and for most I would think 'sex crime' translates to 'rape'.

[Struwwelpeter]

Originally Posted by zanick

I thought it was a broken condom. Either way, it's interesting to how see the authorities of our most civilized nations will patronize rape victims. From what I've noticed, most sources refer to charges of a 'sex crime' or something similar, but always intentionally vague. This allows the audience to make their own inferences, and for most I would think 'sex crime' translates to 'rape'.

Patronize? A lot of them rape bitches on a daily basis. Nobody gives a fuck about "rape."

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Jim "fuck latinos" Carrey

It's not necessary for Britain to accept his "immunity."

Yes it is.

[Struwwelpeter]

Oh no it is not!!!

[Haiti's Space Agency]

Originally Posted by IIIII

And now Russia becomes involved.

Diplomats have always enjoyed more freedom than the citizens of the Host Countries that they inhabit.

And we are finding that no citizen, whether in his own country or other than their own, has any rights if the country a person finds himself in, so decides.




Read more: http://www.france24.com/en/20120817-...n-over-assange

Thank you Russia

[Communicate]

Originally Posted by Morb

It's all fun and games until someone like Assange does something YOU don't like.

That's bullshit.

What if you're interests are accountability and the re-empowering of global citizens against oligarchical power?

[roasted]

I think its pretty ironic that Assange is seeking asylum in a country that has extremely oppressed freedom of speech. Assange is showing his true colors. A coward hiding behind another coward.

Ecuador oppresses and controls its media more than almost every country in the western hemisphere (the only countries in the west that control the media more are probably Cuba and Venezuela). Ecuadoran journalists are pretty regularly arrested and silenced for voicing opposition to the government/president.

Assange claims to be an idealist and a man of principles, but I wonder if he would stand on his principles and release information about the oppressive Ecuadoran government? I bet he wouldnt release files from the Ecuadoran government because President Correa would expel him from Ecuador
(or arrest him). Do you think he'd get a fair trial in Ecuador? Probably not, Ecuador is ranked #120 on the Corruption Perception Index (Sweden is #4, and US is #24). Their index scores rated by the World Justice Project are also very similar.

Its not like Assange is being extradited to some Kangaroo court. Sweden is widely regarded for having one of the most fair justice systems in the world.


Assange needs Wikileaks more than Wikileaks needs him. By all accounts, Assange is hurting Wikileaks more than he is helping. Even his colleagues at Wikileaks dont like him (they also think he's a smug asshole who is hiding behind wikileaks). That why he is threatening this "insurance file" and acting like a tough guy while sucking Rafael Correa's dick.

[Oct]

So is it just a co incidence that these bitches in Sweden cry rape around the same time the US wanted to extradite him, i think not. Not only that, he's on a double rape charge. I honestly thought at first these charges were trumped up to make it easier to get his ass sent to the US but he's already admitted to having sex with these women consensually. Just looking at him you can tell he's too feeble to overpower anyone let alone a woman, he looks pathetic. Regardless i think he has been watched for some time and these women have been approached and offered payment in return for having him charged with rape. Even if his ass makes it Ecuador he WILL be killed that is a dead cert, then the world will move on.

[Struwwelpeter]

Originally Posted by Oct

Just looking at him you can tell he's too feeble to overpower someone let alone a woman

LOL, WTF

[roasted]

I think it would be major lulz if they extradite him to Sweden and then these two bitches testify in court that they fucked Assange in the ass with a strap-on

[Struwwelpeter]

Originally Posted by roasted

I think it would be major lulz if they extradite him to Sweden and then these two bitches testify in court that they fucked Assange in the ass with a strap-on

WTF