This was a little startling

[AtrainV]

Sure, I'm willing to stop bickering about it--I feel like I've made my point pretty clearly--as you're right, it doesn't seem like we're getting anywhere with this.

You obviously have a decent grasp of the subject matter, and I hope you weigh in on other threads--we need more people who know what they're talking about rather than a whole bunch of conspiracy theorists.