Exporting items from the US to the UK

[The English Gentleman]

I was looking more at getting a nice 10/22. It struck me that a Kidd speed trigger costs £295.00 here and $295.00 with you Americans. Likewise, this is the same with volquartsen CF barrels and everything. Now I realise barrels are tricky to export, but what about triggers, can you just mail them?

[The English Gentleman]

*waits hopefully for a friendly answer*

[Kwinnie Bogan]

Exporting this 'agricultural equiptment' from the USA to the UK isn't the problem, Importing it to the UK from the USA is. My guess is that only a licenced importer can import them and he'll probably only have a limited number of licences per year, so it'll cost you a pretty penny - then you'll have to throw in a broker fee for the sale, and have the gun registered before you can take posession of it, and fill out a heap of paperwork. Not practical.

EDIT: I somehow missed the bit where you just want to import the trigger. I couldn't even guess, and right now I spy an attractive but kinda geekish girl (she's using a computer and wearing those arthouse style glasses and slightly conservative clothing although nicely dressed = therefore geeky but good looking girl), so I'm going to go make her laugh and talk to her for a bit.

[The English Gentleman]

See I wonder, because I know plenty of Brits have imported a trigger kit for the cz452 which consists of simply a spring and bit of pipe, however a kidd trigger is alot more gun than just that

[Kwinnie Bogan]

First and foremost you should look up the definition of a firearm in the UK for licencing and importation purposes. I shouldn't be logically, but it's the UK, so it may be classified as a firearm itself. The reason for this is if it does comes under that banner, you may as well forget it. Pay the extra dosh, damn shame if you can't get one at all though.

[a giant pterodactyl]

Originally Posted by The English Gentleman

See I wonder, because I know plenty of Brits have imported a trigger kit for the cz452 which consists of simply a spring and bit of pipe, however a kidd trigger is alot more gun than just that

excuse my ignorance, but i thought you Brits were verboten from owning firearms period?

[Kwinnie Bogan]

Originally Posted by untitled

excuse my ignorance, but i thought you Brits were verboten from owning firearms period?

I think they're only allowed long arms .

[Kidney Punch]

Originally Posted by untitled

excuse my ignorance, but i thought you Brits were verboten from owning firearms period?

Handguns are completely illegal, but we can get shotguns and rifles if we jump through a whole bunch of hoops and go through a lengthy licensing process.

Almost impossible though, so fuck. Most people don't bother.

[a giant pterodactyl]

Originally Posted by Kidney Punch

Handguns are completely illegal, but we can get shotguns and rifles if we jump through a whole bunch of hoops and go through a lengthy licensing process.

Almost impossible though, so fuck. Most people don't bother.

man, that sucks. Just for shiggles, what does the licensing process entail and how much. I have always wondered.

Taking guns away from Brits is like going back 400 years and taking away bows and arrows and swords from the common man. It just aint right, and how would Britain as a whole protect itself if there a mass invasion?

Would it just end up like when the Romans first invaded and the people just sort of stood there and were slaughtered? Jesus

[Kwinnie Bogan]

Originally Posted by untitled

It just aint right, and how would Britain as a whole protect itself if there a mass invasion?

To be realistic, it'd probably defend itself with it's armed forces . I'd wait a little while though for the enemy to wipe out a great deal of the country so the blood is on their hands. No great loss.

[Tyrael]

Originally Posted by untitled

man, that sucks. Just for shiggles, what does the licensing process entail and how much. I have always wondered.

last time i checked you have to fill out a form with your:
- name and address
- height
- date and place of birth
- nationality
- job
- name and address of your boss
- where you've lived in the last 5 years
- any convictions
- reason for wanting a firearm (self defence doesn't count)
you also need to answer a few medical questions (confirmed and singed by your GP), get a statement from a person who is "known and respected in the community" (doctor, lawyer etc.), provide four photos and pay a £50 fee

after that you get a visit from an inspector who assesses the security of your safe (which has to be up to a certain code), the security of your property and generally grills you on your application

if you manage to get through all that (if you fail any part you have to start again) you get your licence

oh and you have to go through this every 12 months for every firearm you have (paying £40 every time) and if you fail any one they confiscate all your firearms

and you yanks complain about a 10 day waiting period

[The Savage]

Interesting, Do you guys have random inspections? Cops just rock up and inspect your storage? IIRC, here, they're meant to call you first but most of the time they just show up.

[Tyrael]

Originally Posted by The Savage

Interesting, Do you guys have random inspections? Cops just rock up and inspect your storage? IIRC, here, they're meant to call you first but most of the time they just show up.

they do sometimes show up for surprise inspections but usually that only happens when there's been a spate of burglaries in the area.

now I understand why they do that. they don't want registered firearms getting stolen. but it makes me feel like I'm being accused of something like because I own a firearm I'm some sort of deviant who has a tendency to go on the rob for some reason.

but that seems to tie in with general British mentality so I try not to get too worked up by it

[The English Gentleman]

Originally Posted by KwinnieBogan

I think they're only allowed long arms .

Yes essentially. Though you can 'own' antique handguns..i.e. some lugers. but they have to be stored at Bisley (The NRA's main range) and you cannot shoot them, only admire them

Originally Posted by Tyrael

oh and you have to go through this every 12 months for every firearm you have (paying £40 every time) and if you fail any one they confiscate all your firearms

It is every five years and it is £50 for either a firearms certificate or a Shotgun certificate or £60.00 for both.

For a FAC you have to state which guns you want (i.e. 1 22lr, 1 17hmr) and if you want multiples of a calibre you have to have a damn good reason. Infact you have to have a good reason for any gun. A shotgun certificate is alot easier to get and you can have as many shotguns as you can safely store. Shotguns are guns with a barrel longer than 24" and with no removable magazine and no capacity above 2 or 2+1 shots, otherwise it is a section one weapon and you need a FAC for it (i.e. like the 5 shot pump .410 I put in for)

Originally Posted by The Savage

Interesting, Do you guys have random inspections? Cops just rock up and inspect your storage? IIRC, here, they're meant to call you first but most of the time they just show up.

Yep they are more than welcome to do random inspections. Due to shooting being uncommon it is not unusual for people on there own land to be reported by a member of the public as being dangerous and armed. This results in a potentially fatal meeting with Armed response police officers.

All in all it is a fucking load of hoops to jump through. It does not help that each country gives very inconsistent advice as well. I.e. one county said leave keys with a friend while away, while another county took away a lawyers Shotguns because he gave a key to his 90 year old grand mother who lived with him who offered to open the cabinet for some police officers...

[Kwinnie Bogan]

And they say "Australian's can't have guns". Strewth!

[The Savage]

Originally Posted by The English Gentleman

Yep they are more than welcome to do random inspections. Due to shooting being uncommon it is not unusual for people on there own land to be reported by a member of the public as being dangerous and armed. This results in a potentially fatal meeting with Armed response police officers .

Same deal here except with regular officers instead of 'Armed Response' which i guess is kind of like our SOG? Every so often i get a visit when someone feels like being a twat and calling them, the guy that come last time said when they get a call from this area they know it's usually me, but they have to look into it each time because it involves firearms.

All in all it is a fucking load of hoops to jump through. It does not help that each country gives very inconsistent advice as well. I.e. one county said leave keys with a friend while away, while another county took away a lawyers Shotguns because he gave a key to his 90 year old grand mother who lived with him who offered to open the cabinet for some police officers...

Pretty much the same as here again. The laws in Australia and Brittan aren't as different as i thought... Not sure if i should be happy for brits or sad for aussies

[a giant pterodactyl]

Originally Posted by Tyrael

last time i checked you have to fill out a form with your:
- name and address
- height
- date and place of birth
- nationality
- job
- name and address of your boss
- where you've lived in the last 5 years
- any convictions
- reason for wanting a firearm (self defence doesn't count)
you also need to answer a few medical questions (confirmed and singed by your GP), get a statement from a person who is "known and respected in the community" (doctor, lawyer etc.), provide four photos and pay a £50 fee

after that you get a visit from an inspector who assesses the security of your safe (which has to be up to a certain code), the security of your property and generally grills you on your application

if you manage to get through all that (if you fail any part you have to start again) you get your licence

oh and you have to go through this every 12 months for every firearm you have (paying £40 every time) and if you fail any one they confiscate all your firearms

and you yanks complain about a 10 day waiting period

LAWL, i have a no day waiting period. It's good to be part an old time AMERICAN patriot family. when i buy a weapon, a call is put in to atf and then the guy comes back and says here is your new weapon Mr so and so. lawl

You brits and aussies let yourself get assfucked with this nazi socialism thing. if they tried pulling that shit here in the USA. The streets would run red with the blood of everyone. lol

our left wing socialist nazi government even said out loud that they will not even think of going after guns because of the shitstorm civil war that would begin.

what they will do is try to restrict ammo. like $5 PER bullet and shit. I dont want to think about something before i kill it dammit! shit, BLAM well there went 5 bucks. hope killing that ant was worth it. lawl

[Kidney Punch]

Originally Posted by untitled

LAWL, i have a no day waiting period. It's good to be part an old time AMERICAN patriot family. when i buy a weapon, a call is put in to atf and then the guy comes back and says here is your new weapon Mr so and so. lawl

You brits and aussies let yourself get assfucked with this nazi socialism thing. if they tried pulling that shit here in the USA. The streets would run red with the blood of everyone. lol

our left wing socialist nazi government even said out loud that they will not even think of going after guns because of the shitstorm civil war that would begin.

what they will do is try to restrict ammo. like $5 PER bullet and shit. I dont want to think about something before i kill it dammit! shit, BLAM well there went 5 bucks. hope killing that ant was worth it. lawl

The ONLY reason you guys still have guns is because your constitution says you can. If you guys didn't have a constitution, or it didn't include the 'right to bear arms', guns would have been slowly phased out years ago.

The US government can't make laws against the constitution without simultaneously fucking themselves in the ass. Their hands are completely tied. That's one of the reasons I respect America, and may well end up moving there.

[Kwinnie Bogan]

Originally Posted by untitled

LAWL, i have a no day waiting period. It's good to be part an old time AMERICAN patriot family. when i buy a weapon, a call is put in to atf and then the guy comes back and says here is your new weapon Mr so and so. lawl

You brits and aussies let yourself get assfucked with this nazi socialism thing. if they tried pulling that shit here in the USA. The streets would run red with the blood of everyone. lol

our left wing socialist nazi government even said out loud that they will not even think of going after guns because of the shitstorm civil war that would begin.

what they will do is try to restrict ammo. like $5 PER bullet and shit. I dont want to think about something before i kill it dammit! shit, BLAM well there went 5 bucks. hope killing that ant was worth it. lawl

If only they could stop morons like yourself from having access to firearms.

[MasterPython]

It is illegal for anyone but a properly licenced dealer to export a firearms, most gun parts, ammo or ammo components from the states. If you can find a dealer that pays the twelve thousand a year for an export licence you could order stuff. You would need to get an import permit in order for the dealer to get the export permit for your order. Not many dealers bother to shell out all that money unless they sell lots of expensive custom guns.

The BATFE is rather serious about that. They have agents look for Canadian plates in the parking lots at gun shows and have them searched before they get to the boarder.

[Tyrael]

Originally Posted by untitled

You brits and aussies let yourself get assfucked with this nazi socialism thing. if they tried pulling that shit here in the USA. The streets would run red with the blood of everyone. lol

our left wing socialist nazi government even said out loud that they will not even think of going after guns because of the shitstorm civil war that would begin.

don't think it couldn't happen. 100 years ago British citizens were just as free to bear arms as you are today and contrary to popular belief that right was protected under common law. but we got too comfortable and allowed ourselves to be swayed by mass hysteria and like the boiling frog we arrived at the situation we are in today. the same thing could easily happen to you so don't take your right for granted for you may one day wake up and find it gone and ask yourself "how did we come to this"

[a giant pterodactyl]

Originally Posted by Tyrael

don't think it couldn't happen. 100 years ago British citizens were just as free to bear arms as you are today and contrary to popular belief that right was protected under common law. but we got too comfortable and allowed ourselves to be swayed by mass hysteria and like the boiling frog we arrived at the situation we are in today. the same thing could easily happen to you so don't take your right for granted for you may one day wake up and find it gone and ask yourself "how did we come to this"

beleive me, we learned from your example and Australias dumb ass example...taking all the guns in the country, and piling them up and throwing them into a furnace. when i seen australia doing that shit i wanted to nuke that place REAL bad.
turns out its was just the liberals and the centrist , there is still a good ole right wing down there!

here, guns are being bought a thrice the rate they were last year, and ammo and reloading supplies, AND THEY ARE BEING BURIED AND HIDDEN. LOL

the mentality here(although you won't see it on tv) is that if the 2nd amendment or any other part of the Constitution is taken away this country will be brought to it's knees from the inside out.

there is a civil war brewing in America again. this time it might involve conservatives from ALL of the free English speaking countries. come fight when it happens!

[The English Gentleman]

Thanks for all the replies, so it looks like a non starter. Some kind folk suggested (by PM) that I call customs and see what they think. I may have a friend going to America on Business for a week soon so I may see if he will take a trigger home in his luggage, then should anything go wrong, disavow all knowledge

[a giant pterodactyl]

Originally Posted by Kidney Punch

The ONLY reason you guys still have guns is because your constitution says you can. If you guys didn't have a constitution, or it didn't include the 'right to bear arms', guns would have been slowly phased out years ago.

The US government can't make laws against the constitution without simultaneously fucking themselves in the ass. Their hands are completely tied. That's one of the reasons I respect America, and may well end up moving there.

damn skippy son. the CIA and FBI will be the first to take out any cock sucking liberal that tries to infringe on gun ownership. The American people will be right behind them.

Ya'll foreigners forget our motto in America " DON'T TREAD ON ME" and "APPEAL TO HEAVEN" meaning the only Authority above ours is God's.

[a giant pterodactyl]

Originally Posted by The English Gentleman

Thanks for all the replies, so it looks like a non starter. Some kind folk suggested (by PM) that I call customs and see what they think. I may have a friend going to America on Business for a week soon so I may see if he will take a trigger home in his luggage, then should anything go wrong, disavow all knowledge

i feel for you man. If England didnt have such f'd up laws i would personally buy and send you a high powered rifle.
Keep fighting to get your rights back.
Looks like jolly old England is using the Magna Carta for TP these days.

[The English Gentleman]

Originally Posted by untitled

i feel for you man. If England didnt have such f'd up laws i would personally buy and send you a high powered rifle.
Keep fighting to get your rights back.
Looks like jolly old England is using the Magna Carta for TP these days.

Its not as if I even want a high powered rifle, all I want is a trigger for a bloody .22lr. I have not even started on how the Volquartsen carbon fibre tapered 12.5" barrel in britain costs £290 as well, compared to a bit over $200 in America. It is a fucking joke. Even worse, it would be slightly fair if say Anchutz rifles were pricier in America than Britain, but they are the same fucking price and the USA is not even in the fucking EU...

It has to be a Government thing that all weapons in britain are so pricey...

[a giant pterodactyl]

Originally Posted by The English Gentleman

Its not as if I even want a high powered rifle, all I want is a trigger for a bloody .22lr. I have not even started on how the Volquartsen carbon fibre tapered 12.5" barrel in britain costs £290 as well, compared to a bit over $200 in America. It is a fucking joke. Even worse, it would be slightly fair if say Anchutz rifles were pricier in America than Britain, but they are the same fucking price and the USA is not even in the fucking EU...

It has to be a Government thing that all weapons in britain are so pricey...

it is a left wing liberal trick...make something so unaffordable only the government and elite can have it. Your government is waging war against you. That usually happens right before communism or tyranny sets in.

keep your chin up, and invest in archery, bows aren't illegal there yet are they? at least you would have some type of projectile weapon, and you could attach explosives on the end of the arrow. Think Rambo style. lol

[The English Gentleman]

Originally Posted by untitled

it is a left wing liberal trick...make something so unaffordable only the government and elite can have it. Your government is waging war against you. That usually happens right before communism or tyranny sets in.

keep your chin up, and invest in archery, bows aren't illegal there yet are they? at least you would have some type of projectile weapon, and you could attach explosives on the end of the arrow. Think Rambo style. lol

I'm reasonably sure British Firearms law stems from around 1920 and the fear of communism due to civil uprising, made more lethal by the large numbers of weapons brought back to England to the war...

Anyway I genuinely only want my firearms for sporting purposes...