Side effects of heavy LSD use

[Miley Highrus]

I'm talking heavy doses day after day. I came across a lot and don't have much to do this summer so I figured I may experiment a bit. Anyways I can't find anything on the subject really. Well at least its hard to separate fact from fiction. I mean people think weed gets a bad rap but acid is way worse. I mean everyone has these little false rumors about it but anyways what can happen? If anything.

[Malice]

HPPD?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halluci...ption_disorder

[gadzooks]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syd_Barrett#Mental_state

[REDiXP]

http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevent...reetdrugs.html

[Sir Cornwell]

You must remember this: at least a 3 day break after you come down, to replenish your brain if you want the bliss.

[White Jesus]

Your heart valve will fail. Oh and if you take anything you think too seriously you'll turn into one of those weird hippie trippers.

[Figure-8]

If you are asking, "negative effects", which would happen to most westerners who abuse psychedelics, let alone any one who abuses anything. Extreme disconnection. Similar to most obsessions. Just with a twist. The mind is mind, either way. It is the mind that goes crazy. What matters is the overall progression one makes as it is you, the whole process.

In terms of spiritual practice, like yoga and meditation, if you have a guru, you are better off. Dharma protects you, knowledge protects, your conscience is important. Otherwise one becomes entrenched in the mindlessness or mindful inaction of life and forgets who they truly are.

So since mind is heavily present during the psychedelic experience, or not, maybe it is only best to carry out such situations similarly, in whatever fantasy you are carrying them out in.

Everything in life is pretty much an expression of that. A guide is best, and a positive guideline is good to work with in order to induce a positive progression towards something meaningful. You are your own guide and you have a guide, but every new experience in the Universe progresses in a way that ego cannot view. In other words, you literally grow to become that which is outside yourself. Your mind cannot comprehend this in an analytical way and define yourself and your environment in a physical and linear manner. So it is accepted under the instinct that is given to you during such experiences.

The catch is that one must often replace or mingle one's own desires with the desires of "God" during a dharmic experience. In this metaphor, "God" could be compared to one's "conscience" during a spiritual experience induced through psychedelics (medically similar to a true shamanistic, ancient, spiritual experience, as defined by John Hopkins Medical; which is old knowledge made new for profit).

What we come to terms with and experience during an experience that pushes us outside our selves, becomes us. We create ourselves through new experiences like that in which we push the processing power of our limited analytical mind. But this is all that normally happens in life, during every waking moment, or dream. The brain is simply learning within itself, from it's own patterns and moving on to creating larger one's through it's own awareness. The larger pattern has to become, that is the eternal process. What has happened here is that during this progression the mind has chosen to cling to one of the layers of perception. One of the layers of the overall progression gets played over and over until it is an out of tune chord in a symphony. This induces suffering and a conscientious intuition that something else is required to complete the progression of life. But to do this, the pattern that the mind has attributed itself to for such a long time, must be utilized to move to a new, more complex pattern. And the old one is left.

I think this is just another representation of the eternal guidelines of the mind and of life. That we must attribute our energy and progression to a certain path of positive extension, either that or we face some sort of repercussion. And the more we refuse to replace our own desire's with one of a truly natural consciousness (instinct/feeling), the less time and energy we have to make a choice.
This could be represented as the body developing illness in life, because the mind does not stop a repeating action such as smoking or eating a certain food. Or even sitting down in a certain way or being lazy.

So maybe that is one big metaphor for all interaction of mind with substance in reality. I feel I might as well say this here because of the closeness of the subject to many other subjects and theories. John Hopkins Medicine recently informed the west of what the east has known since age old. That the ancient psychedelics induce similar states that are known from the ancient non-psychedelic spiritual experience inducing practices like yoga and dharma.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/press.../07_11_06.html

Originally Posted by Vizier

Figure-8.

Not really though, I've never really done acid like that. Psychedelics like LSD or mushrooms never truly operated as a full function for me. I didn't seem to have the motivation to take them during those times and I still had the experiences that I explain to you today.

Marijuana though had rendered my normal introspective ability and lucid practicing, into a full fledged out of body experience.

But those things always seemed to happen, just never in conscious view.

: D

[Hooky the Cripple]

Remember metaphysicist? Well that's you after 1000 hits.

[M. Samuel Chevalier]

My friends have said that day 2 was just as fun, but by day 3 they had a tolerance and needed/wanted a break. All in moderation, if you have a supply maybe share it/sell it to friends

[Miley Highrus]

I have an amount that I don't think I could consume in a lifetime. I have been sharing with my brothers free of charge for days now.

[Om Namah Shivaya]

Originally Posted by Unwires

I have an amount that I don't think I could consume in a lifetime. I have been sharing with my brothers free of charge for days now.

I've always wondered what would happen if someone just poured a vial of it in someones drink without them knowing. I mean, I would never do it. But it's insane to think about.


The cia thought about it too. except they didn't use a whole vial on one person.

[sepht]

I see black floaters from time to time and have wacky delusions about the Illuminati because my brain makes all sorts of connections.

However, I've been a druggie hipster ever since my mom was smoking weed while I was still in utero so I'm used to this sort of strange thought pattern.

Just stay away from crack, meth, heroin, etc. and make sure your LSD is actually what it is and not some RC like AMT

Jamiroquai - Virtual Insanity - YouTube

Jamiroquai - Virtual Insanity - YouTube
Video: click to display

[yawanur]

Originally Posted by Om Namah Shivaya

I've always wondered what would happen if someone just poured a vial of it in someones drink without them knowing.

King Owl posted a great story about that once, the "victim" (who did it to himself) apparently never recovered

[Sir Cornwell]

What's wrong with doing some then doing other things, eg: eating/sleeping/exercise and sssmoking green?

[Malice]

Originally Posted by yawanur

King Owl posted a great story about that once, the "victim" (who did it to himself) apparently never recovered

I'm glad I found it: https://zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=163179

[Malice]

Originally Posted by Sir Cornwell

The dude is only insane?

What about that story from the '60s where a dude in the back of a cop car took all his cid and then disappeared into thin air?

Wasn't it about 40,000 mikes he took?

[King Owl]

Originally Posted by Om Namah Shivaya

I've always wondered what would happen if someone just poured a vial of it in someones drink without them knowing. I mean, I would never do it. But it's insane to think about.


The cia thought about it too. except they didn't use a whole vial on one person.

As mentioned above, a whole vial on an unsuspecting, unprepared, karmically bankrupt and emotionally unbalanced individual ended... poorly, but awfully memorably.

For the well-prepared mind though, a half vial went a little something like this:

Star Trek acid drive by pajlot. - YouTube

Star Trek acid drive by pajlot. - YouTube
Video: click to display

only there was a lot more forced sedation and frothing at the mouth.

fun times, just don't do it in public. or private. actually... maybe just don't do it.

[Gun Lover]

Originally Posted by King Owl

For the well-prepared mind though, a half vial went a little something like this:

Star Trek acid drive by pajlot. - YouTube

only there was a lot more forced sedation and frothing at the mouth.

fun times, just don't do it in public. or private. actually... maybe just don't do it.

If it's anything like that hilarious fucking video, I'll eat that much if it's the last thing I do.

[Miley Highrus]

If you guys every have the time google LSD thumbprint. There is a 10 year old thread on the shroomery where guys who were pretty high up in the LSD manufacturing and distribution chain share stories of dipping their thump in crystal(pure) LSD. They said it is a right of passage in the LSD world and the experience is indescribable. Something I find facisnating is they say the understand what it will be like after death. Some guy who did a thumbprint has also had a near death experience where his heart stopped for a few minutes and he was legally dead. He said it was the same thing.

[Gun Lover]

Originally Posted by Unwires

If you guys every have the time google LSD thumbprint. There is a 10 year old thread on the shroomery where guys who were pretty high up in the LSD manufacturing and distribution chain share stories of dipping their thump in crystal(pure) LSD. They said it is a right of passage in the LSD world and the experience is indescribable. Something I find facisnating is they say the understand what it will be like after death. Some guy who did a thumbprint has also had a near death experience where his heart stopped for a few minutes and he was legally dead. He said it was the same thing.

I'm well aware of tumbprints

I don't know if Zoklet's ChinaCat is the same as shroomery's, but that trip report is godly. Our own King Owl is probably one of the few that has ever dosed near that amount. I fucking love his acid stories

Experience of a lifetime, it has to be.

[FrY]

Originally Posted by King Owl

As mentioned above, a whole vial on an unsuspecting, unprepared, karmically bankrupt and emotionally unbalanced individual ended... poorly, but awfully memorably.

For the well-prepared mind though, a half vial went a little something like this:

Star Trek acid drive by pajlot. - YouTube

only there was a lot more forced sedation and frothing at the mouth.

fun times, just don't do it in public. or private. actually... maybe just don't do it.

Damn that was funny.

[Doki66]

I have been using LSD heavily for the past 2 years. after a while you are not even tripping anymore you are just seeing the world how you should see it how you did see it. It can leave you very confused. It some ways it creates a lot more questions than answers and it can answer questions correctly that take lifetimes to understand.

People that say it burns you out and makes you a hippie are wrong. Its not that it burns you out or your burned out its that you are burned out on this carnation. LSD will never fail to show you who you are to yourself LSD breaks down social and psychological barriers that society and culture have put on us everyone has them reality filters you might as well say it burns down walls that keep us from realizing our true self. I know more people that have taken lots of LSD and started a successful business and made a lot of money. If your heavily using 100% pure LSD-25 like 5 hits a day I don't see any harm in it. just be prepared to have your mind opened. For the rest of your life.

[anoidhead]

Originally Posted by Unwires

If you guys every have the time google LSD thumbprint. There is a 10 year old thread on the shroomery where guys who were pretty high up in the LSD manufacturing and distribution chain share stories of dipping their thump in crystal(pure) LSD. They said it is a right of passage in the LSD world and the experience is indescribable. Something I find facisnating is they say the understand what it will be like after death. Some guy who did a thumbprint has also had a near death experience where his heart stopped for a few minutes and he was legally dead. He said it was the same thing.

Wait I'm a lil confused. So did he have his heart stop while on LSD or was that on another occasion when he wasn't on LSD?

Just trying to clear this up.

[Erorr]

Originally Posted by Doki66

I have been using LSD heavily for the past 2 years. after a while you are not even tripping anymore you are just seeing the world how you should see it how you did see it. It can leave you very confused. It some ways it creates a lot more questions than answers and it can answer questions correctly that take lifetimes to understand.

People that say it burns you out and makes you a hippie are wrong. Its not that it burns you out or your burned out its that you are burned out on this carnation. LSD will never fail to show you who you are to yourself LSD breaks down social and psychological barriers that society and culture have put on us everyone has them reality filters you might as well say it burns down walls that keep us from realizing our true self. I know more people that have taken lots of LSD and started a successful business and made a lot of money. If your heavily using 100% pure LSD-25 like 5 hits a day I don't see any harm in it. just be prepared to have your mind opened. For the rest of your life.

Noble attempt but

[Miley Highrus]

Originally Posted by anoidhead

Wait I'm a lil confused. So did he have his heart stop while on LSD or was that on another occasion when he wasn't on LSD?

Just trying to clear this up.

I'm assuming it was when he was sober. Though he did not clarify for sure in context he made it seem as though he was sober.

[Ph0x]

Originally Posted by Figure-8

If you are asking, "negative effects", which would happen to most westerners who abuse psychedelics, let alone any one who abuses anything. Extreme disconnection. Similar to most obsessions. Just with a twist. The mind is mind, either way. It is the mind that goes crazy. What matters is the overall progression one makes as it is you, the whole process.

In terms of spiritual practice, like yoga and meditation, if you have a guru, you are better off. Dharma protects you, knowledge protects, your conscience is important. Otherwise one becomes entrenched in the mindlessness or mindful inaction of life and forgets who they truly are.

So since mind is heavily present during the psychedelic experience, or not, maybe it is only best to carry out such situations similarly, in whatever fantasy you are carrying them out in.

Everything in life is pretty much an expression of that. A guide is best, and a positive guideline is good to work with in order to induce a positive progression towards something meaningful. You are your own guide and you have a guide, but every new experience in the Universe progresses in a way that ego cannot view. In other words, you literally grow to become that which is outside yourself. Your mind cannot comprehend this in an analytical way and define yourself and your environment in a physical and linear manner. So it is accepted under the instinct that is given to you during such experiences.

The catch is that one must often replace or mingle one's own desires with the desires of "God" during a dharmic experience. In this metaphor, "God" could be compared to one's "conscience" during a spiritual experience induced through psychedelics (medically similar to a true shamanistic, ancient, spiritual experience, as defined by John Hopkins Medical; which is old knowledge made new for profit).

What we come to terms with and experience during an experience that pushes us outside our selves, becomes us. We create ourselves through new experiences like that in which we push the processing power of our limited analytical mind. But this is all that normally happens in life, during every waking moment, or dream. The brain is simply learning within itself, from it's own patterns and moving on to creating larger one's through it's own awareness. The larger pattern has to become, that is the eternal process. What has happened here is that during this progression the mind has chosen to cling to one of the layers of perception. One of the layers of the overall progression gets played over and over until it is an out of tune chord in a symphony. This induces suffering and a conscientious intuition that something else is required to complete the progression of life. But to do this, the pattern that the mind has attributed itself to for such a long time, must be utilized to move to a new, more complex pattern. And the old one is left.

I think this is just another representation of the eternal guidelines of the mind and of life. That we must attribute our energy and progression to a certain path of positive extension, either that or we face some sort of repercussion. And the more we refuse to replace our own desire's with one of a truly natural consciousness (instinct/feeling), the less time and energy we have to make a choice.
This could be represented as the body developing illness in life, because the mind does not stop a repeating action such as smoking or eating a certain food. Or even sitting down in a certain way or being lazy.

So maybe that is one big metaphor for all interaction of mind with substance in reality. I feel I might as well say this here because of the closeness of the subject to many other subjects and theories. John Hopkins Medicine recently informed the west of what the east has known since age old. That the ancient psychedelics induce similar states that are known from the ancient non-psychedelic spiritual experience inducing practices like yoga and dharma.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/press.../07_11_06.html


Not really though, I've never really done acid like that. Psychedelics like LSD or mushrooms never truly operated as a full function for me. I didn't seem to have the motivation to take them during those times and I still had the experiences that I explain to you today.

Marijuana though had rendered my normal introspective ability and lucid practicing, into a full fledged out of body experience.

But those things always seemed to happen, just never in conscious view.

: D

Surely that wall of text will keep the hordes at bay!

[Doki66]

Doing lots of acid everyday is still way better for your brain than psychedelics like 25i and 2ce

[King Owl]

Originally Posted by Doki66

Doing lots of acid everyday is still way better for your brain than psychedelics like 25i and 2ce

so what? that's a fucking straw man argument right there, that's like saying getting shot in the face with a .22 is better than getting shot in the face with a .38

neither of them are going to be beneficial, but the actual damage is dependent on sooooo many other factors - in the case of the bullets, that's like range, hollow point or wadcutter, whether its a +p load etc etc... And with the drugs its all dependant on dose, frequency, your personal biochemistry, your nutritional habits, sleeping habits, emotional state etc...

Sure, 25i-NBoMe and 2c-e have an inherently greater risk of negative side effects and a more damaging objective tox profile... and yeah, the .38 is bigger and more powerful than the .22 ... but that doesn't make the .22 safe to get shot in the face with.

lrn2debate, son. if you don't have a point worth making, don't just throw something out there in the hopes it will make you appear learned or enlightened/sensible - because there will always be a pedantic motherfucker like me wlurking around waiting to cockslap you with some facts.

[Cerebus]

Originally Posted by Doki66

I have been using LSD heavily for the past 2 years. after a while you are not even tripping anymore you are just seeing the world how you should see it how you did see it. It can leave you very confused. It some ways it creates a lot more questions than answers and it can answer questions correctly that take lifetimes to understand.

People that say it burns you out and makes you a hippie are wrong. Its not that it burns you out or your burned out its that you are burned out on this carnation. LSD will never fail to show you who you are to yourself LSD breaks down social and psychological barriers that society and culture have put on us everyone has them reality filters you might as well say it burns down walls that keep us from realizing our true self. I know more people that have taken lots of LSD and started a successful business and made a lot of money. If your heavily using 100% pure LSD-25 like 5 hits a day I don't see any harm in it. just be prepared to have your mind opened. For the rest of your life.

Quite a different tune now, huh?

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=182485

[Figure-8]

Originally Posted by Doki66

Its not that it burns you out or your burned out its that you are burned out on this carnation.

Interesting, but there is always healing and a need and/or use for.

Such as simply incarnating as a monk. ; )

LSD will never fail to show you who you are to yourself LSD breaks down social and psychological barriers that society and culture have put on us everyone has them reality filters you might as well say it burns down walls that keep us from realizing our true self. I know more people that have taken lots of LSD and started a successful business and made a lot of money. If your heavily using 100% pure LSD-25 like 5 hits a day I don't see any harm in it. just be prepared to have your mind opened. For the rest of your life.

I still think you should be able to do everything you can do with something, without that thing. If you really consider it to be a lesson learned.

RC's had less time. Simply put.

[kroz]

if i take acid more than 2 days in a row.. it really dosnt have the same effect.. just some kinda weird headspace that is not at all like normal trips.. shit isn't normal but it's kinda bland..

I took a lot of acid one winter and I had migraines for almost a month afterwards. Sometimes during intense moments of anxiety or while using other drugs I get flashbacks, and for me flash backs arnt like i'm completely trippin all over again. more like a tinge that reminds me of the expierence

[Hooky the Cripple]

Just fucking take as much as you can while you can. That's my advice. Yes it will fuck you up. Who cares...

[A$AP Weed Smoker]

Whatever you do, don't mail me any.