Does anyone else have no belief in the idea of morality? To me it just seems morality is nothing more than a psychological trick to use people's consciences against them for whatever means the creator(s) of the moral had in mind. I believe this, because I've been altering people's beliefs to match my own for years. I've used to help people get over psychological internal conflicts. What are your thoughts?
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So the only thing stopping you from going on a rape and murder spree is the law?
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"To choose doubt as a philosophy of life is akin to choosing immobility as a means of transportation" - Yann Martel
My opinion is that it comes largely from religion, which is starting to fade. There are different thoughts as to what this means exactly, but I believe French philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre's theory is observably relevant, which claims morality to be such a powerful force in Western society that we retain the same cultural values, even while religious authority is gradually dissolving. Morality is so strongly integrated with our laws and personal standards for behavior that it will function independently of spiritual justification.
The reverse seems much more likely. The idea that there exists (objective) morality, I'd say, comes from the misattribution of emotions arising internally to an external cause, which, it follows, all are subject to. The morality of God is one such cause, inserted so shit 'makes sense'.
So the only thing stopping you from going on a rape and murder spree is the law?
Or maybe, I just don't want to. Why would I kill and rape without cause?
I just place zero value in right and wrong or good and bad. They are just labels that people attach to things for desired social behavior.
For me, I'm unaffected. I never feel guilt for my reasoning or actions. Morality doesn't work for me. How can it though? I sit in a position to mould others morals around my beliefs. If I know I can determine someone's morality, morality just becomes whatever I choose. I am more than aware of people having differing ideas and the problem it creates when mine contrasts with societal norms. I guess it kind of like making up a religion. Even when thousands follow your religion, can you really have faith knowing it's just your creation.
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Or maybe, I just don't want to. Why would I kill and rape without cause?
I just place zero value in right and wrong or good and bad. They are just labels that people attach to things for desired social behavior.
For me, I'm unaffected. I never feel guilt for my reasoning or actions. Morality doesn't work for me. How can it though? I sit in a position to mould others morals around my beliefs. If I know I can determine someone's morality, morality just becomes whatever I choose. I am more than aware of people having differing ideas and the problem it creates when mine contrasts with societal norms. I guess it kind of like making up a religion. Even when thousands follow your religion, can you really have faith knowing it's just your creation.
In other words you are a sociopath.
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"Reason alone does not suffice." - Carl Jung
"To choose doubt as a philosophy of life is akin to choosing immobility as a means of transportation" - Yann Martel
So far as I am concerned morality ceases to exist when you become your own judge.
Can morality cease to exist completely? There's having no standard for one's own behavior, and then there's developing a more personal sense of value and understanding of society in relation to oneself.
Can morality cease to exist completely? There's having no standard for one's own behavior, and then there's developing a more personal sense of value and understanding of society in relation to oneself.
If morality is completely absent from the person, then would you then have a Nihilist?
If the ethics are right, the morlaity is rational.
If the ethics are wrong, the morality is absurd.
This means that if human society is based on natural - rational laws, humans can live inside the society without suffering. Otherwise human suffering is reversed into corruption, criminality, revolutions, and other fucked up stuff.
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Only ethics can protect a 14 years old virgin from being raped by her friends.
I didn't really like your wording from the other post. I think it's easier to say that morality is based on natural behavior. Something about the word ethics bothers me greatly. Normally when something bothers me I regard it with special horror. Can I have morals with no ethics?
Can morality cease to exist completely? There's having no standard for one's own behavior, and then there's developing a more personal sense of value and understanding of society in relation to oneself.
I think values should be expression of your direct will rather than a criteria of rules that you measure yourself against. Before you can even think of following a morality, you should cultivate a habit of only basing your assumptions on life experience or logical thinking.
If you are accepting a set of values that have no direct bearing on what you are doing, you are a slave. Accepting values that require you to trust their validity preemptively are designed to basically brainwash human beings. If your values come about through an equal mixture of your experience, your goals and your intelligence, then they are an extension of your instincts and will. Your instincts and will are active, since they get constant feedback and application. They are not things you follow; they are things you are constantly doing.
I didn't really like your wording from the other post. I think it's easier to say that morality is based on natural behavior. Something about the word ethics bothers me greatly. Normally when something bothers me I regard it with special horror. Can I have morals with no ethics?
You can have metaphors and allegory ending with a morale in storytelling.
Morale of the story has positive meaning only if the reader is mentally sane, independently of what the author was trying to say, and vice-versa.
In human society it is more complicated:
Human behaviour -> intellect -> natural etchics -> rational human behaviour -> natural morale = 14 years old virgin is considered something positive.
Human behaviour -> madness -> artificial ethics -> absurd human behaviour -> artificial morale = 14 years old virgin is considered something negative.
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You can have metaphors and allegory ending with a morale in storytelling.
Morale of the story has positive meaning only if the reader is mentally sane, independently of what the author was trying to say, and vice-versa.
In human society it is more complicated:
Human behaviour -> intellect -> natural etchics -> rational human behaviour -> natural morale = 14 years old virgin is considered something positive.
Human behaviour -> madness -> artificial ethics -> absurd human behaviour -> artificial morale = 14 years old virgin is considered something negative.
I think that you could have just said- Natural behavior > Morality > Ethics and we don't even need to bring in your idea of deflowering a fourteen year old virgin, something you seem to be so fixated on. Not to mention it is perfectly natural for men to be attracted to teenage girls; in America everyone is removing their pubic hair and trying to look as youthful as possible because it is a turn on in men. I mean, you seem to be into it. Your example is absolutely terrible, your misuse of certain words makes me laugh and I am pretty sure that you're a cop in training.
I think that you could have just said- Natural behavior > Morality > Ethics and we don't even need to bring in your idea of deflowering a fourteen year old virgin, something you seem to be so fixated on. Not to mention it is perfectly natural for men to be attracted to teenage girls; in America everyone is removing their pubic hair and trying to look as youthful as possible because it is a turn on in men. I mean, you seem to be into it. Your example is absolutely terrible, your misuse of certain words makes me laugh and I am pretty sure that you're a cop in training.
You just might possibly even be Darkhunter.
You just might possibly even be an idiot...
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People, regardless of how it is implanted, do feel a sense of right and wrong. That's not uniform across people, or across time. But that doesn't matter, this feeling is morality.
There is no objective reason to respect, it's all subjective. It is merely the conviction to do what is felt to be right, and one's own integrity to stick to that.
Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are good (or right) and those that are bad (or wrong). A moral code is a system of morality (according to a particular philosophy, religion, culture, etc.) and a moral is any one practice or teaching within a moral code.
The adjective moral is synonymous with "good" or "right." Immorality is the active opposition to morality (i.e. good or right), while amorality is variously defined as an unawareness of, indifference toward, or disbelief in any set of moral standards or principles.[1][2][3][4] An example of a moral code is the Golden Rule which states that, "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself."[5]
Ethics, also known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong behavior.[1]
Major areas of study in ethics may be divided into 3 operational areas:[1]
Meta-ethics, about the theoretical meaning and reference of moral propositions and how their truth values (if any) may be determined;
Normative ethics, about the practical means of determining a moral course of action;
Applied ethics, about how moral outcomes can be achieved in specific situations;
Each of these areas include many further sub-fields of study.
Morality and ethics
Ethics (also known as moral philosophy) is that branch of philosophy which addresses questions about morality. The word 'ethics' is "commonly used interchangeably with 'morality' ... and sometimes it is used more narrowly to mean the moral principles of a particular tradition, group, or individual."[6] Likewise, certain types of ethical theories, especially deontological ethics, sometimes distinguish between 'ethics' and 'morals': "Although the morality of people and their ethics amounts to the same thing, there is a usage that restricts morality to systems such as that of Kant, based on notions such as duty, obligation, and principles of conduct, reserving ethics for the more Aristotelian approach to practical reasoning, based on the notion of a virtue, and generally avoiding the separation of 'moral' considerations from other practical considerations."
Going back to the first point.
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Morality in human society is created by ethics.
Morality is not created by ethics. It is created by behavior. Ethics are also created by behavior. How can morality be created by ethics when they generally, almost, but not quite mean the same thing?
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