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Old 08-18-2012, 08:18 PM
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Default Spiral CFL lightbulbs, and the big corporations that push them

CFL bulbs are absolutely evil, I hate them ... with a vengence.
The USA government has already made law that is diabolically designed to be gradually phased into effect years after it was already passed. It was a little efficiency provision burried deep within the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, which few politicians seemed to notice.

Big business interests have manipulated the environmentalists into supporting their scheme. Now, regular incandescent light bulbs are already becoming illegal in countries throughout the world: the USA, Canada, Australia, the European Union, the UK, Chile, and likely soon to be Mexico and China now.

Despite what all the misguided environmentalists claim, they don't save energy, they end up costing more money, and they are worse for the environment.

See the thread: "Compact Fluorescent Bulbs: NOT a Bright Idea!"
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?p=3743100


And the claim that CFL's last longer than the old light bulbs is another lie. You can buy incandescent light bulbs off the internet that last longer than the new spiral CFL's, with lifetimes over 10,000 hours. Has anyone seen this video before?
There was a light bulb conspiracy to make all the bulbs burn out faster so people would have to buy more of them, more profits for the light bulb companies.

And guess what else? Those new more expensive CFL bulbs do not last nearly as long as the manufacturers claim. And even when they do, they become much dimmer after many years, making it hard to even see, so you will have to buy a new one before the old one even burns out. That is another little trick the light bulb companies are using, make the bulbs give off less light so people will have to buy more of them to light a room. We can also see this with the advanced LED bulbs that have just become available in stores. Interesting how the higher wattage LED's are so much more expensive. Despite what the packaging claims, a single 20-dollar LED bulb is not going to put out enough light to provide decent lighting to your room.

By banning regular incandescent bulbs, the light bulb companies are forcing everyone to buy their more expensive alternatives.


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The use of efficiency mandates to snuff out the standard light bulb was an exercise of unadulterated crony capitalism. It came about after big bulb manufacturers, frustrated by their customers’ refusal to switch from cheap throwaway incandescents to the far more profitable compact fluorescents touted by greens, decided to play hardball.

“So some years ago,’’ The New York Times Magazine noted last month, “Philips [Electronics] formed a coalition with environmental groups, including the Natural Resources Defense Council, to push for higher standards. ‘We felt that we needed to . . . show that the best-known lighting technology, the incandescent light bulb, is at the end of its lifetime,’ says Harry Verhaar, the company’s head of strategic sustainability initiatives.’’

Other corporations joined the plot, lobbying Congress to croak a product Americans overwhelmingly like and compel them to buy the more expensive substitute the industry was eager to sell them. The entire scheme, a lobbyist for the National Electrical Manufacturers Association testified candidly in 2007, was “at the industry’s initiative.’’ Unable to convince consumers to voluntarily abandon Edison’s light bulb, Big Business got the government to force the issue.

The Unholy Alliance between Philips and the Greens

An unholy alliance (discovered by Elsevier journalist Syp Wynia) between a large multinational company and a multinational environmental organization succeeded in their lobby to phase out, and ultimately by 2012 forbid, the sale of incandescent bulbs – not only in the Netherlands but in the whole of the European Union. The multinational company wanted to develop a new market for products with a high profit margin, and the environmental multinational wanted to impress the citizens of Europe with the imminent catastrophe caused by anthropogenic climate change. That would also be of benefit to its battered public image.

Philips started lobbying to phase out the very product on which its original success is based. They started this campaign ten years ago. Their line of thought is clear: banning incandescent bulbs creates an interesting market for new kinds of home lighting, such as “energy savers” (CFL’s, compact fluorescent lamps) and LED’s (light emitting diodes). The mark-up on these new products is substantially higher than that on old-fashioned incandescent bulbs. (A 70-Watt equivalent LED bulb, for example, costs 55 dollars each, while a 60-Watt equivalent costs 25 dollars. Of course, many other companies are selling cheaper LED products, claiming a "60 Watt equivalents", when in reality their bulbs put out much less light.)

Energy savers (CFL’s) were introduced on the market in 1980, but they never succeeded in gaining wide acceptance from consumers. Despite their reduced power consumption, most consumers found their light too "harsh" and unnatural to light their homes. On top of that they were slow starters, annoyingly taking a few seconds just to come on while flickering, and then taking several minutes to reach full brightness.

Multiple government campaigns, aimed at promoting the idea that energy savers contribute to the well-intentioned goal of reducing the energy consumption of households, failed to convince citizens.

The spectre of catastrophic climate change offered a new opportunity for the strategists and marketing specialists at Philips headquarters. They changed their marketing concept and jumped on the Global Warming band wagon. From that moment on, energy-saving bulbs could be put on the market as icons of responsibility toward climate change. This would give Philips a head start in the CFL end LED business. The competition would be left far behind by aggressive use of European patent law.

In 2006, Dutch legislators caved in under the combined lobbying pressure by Philips and Greenpeace. A parliamentary majority in The Hague embraced the idea of banning incandescent bulbs and ordered the Dutch Environment Minister, Jacqueline Cramer, to lobby for an extension of the ban to all states in the European Union.
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Old 08-18-2012, 08:30 PM
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I don't know what the term is for it.. but it is pretty disgusting to be told what kind of lighting devices you can and can not buy; how you may spend your money, how you may use the energy you pay for or generate.

I don't know if CFLs are better than equivalent incandescent lamps or not ( energy for the manufacture, energy for operation, the risk of burying more heavy metals ) but this is not freedom. Let me buy an inefficient bulb if I want to.

This is just another small reduction of our freedoms.
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Old 08-18-2012, 09:49 PM
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To be fair, I've had the same CFL in my room for damn near a decade. I love the things.
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i dont give a fuck, as long as my light is white and not yellow.
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Who says I actually BUY these CFLs?
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If people like them they would buy them. It is BS to forcibly push these products on us, make a good product that makes the incandescent obsolete and it will sell itself without legislation making it the exclusive contender.

GE closed their facility in America that made incandescent lamps, guess where your CFL is from? China, just like all of our other manufacturing jobs because of retarded shit like this.
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:21 PM
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If people like them they would buy them. It is BS to forcibly push these products on us, make a good product that makes the incandescent obsolete and it will sell itself without legislation making it the exclusive contender.

GE closed their facility in America that made incandescent lamps, guess where your CFL is from? China, just like all of our other manufacturing jobs because of retarded shit like this.

Doesn't bother me. Like I SAID.. who says I actually PURCHASE them? My friend Steve 'finds' them then gives them to me. Either way, they don't get Steve's or my money.
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Old 08-19-2012, 02:22 AM
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Doesn't bother me. Like I SAID.. who says I actually PURCHASE them? My friend Steve 'finds' them then gives them to me. Either way, they don't get Steve's or my money.
Then you are in luck! In 8 years, when the current law fully comes into effect*, everyone will have to buy LED bulbs. Guess how much they cost?

I just paid 55 US dollars (including shipping) for one of these new bulbs. It hasn't arrived yet, but it will put out as much light as a 72 Watt bulb, according to my calculations. Why did I do that? Well, I wanted to have just one LED bulb in my living room to be one of the first to have the new technology, as a conversation piece so I can show people when they come over, and because it supposedly saves money (breaks even after 12 years if I use the light enough). Why did I have to mail order it? Because prior to this, I paid 22 dollars (the equivalent of) for an LED bulb in the store. Although it consumed 9 Watts of power, the packaging claimed it was a "60 Watt equivalent". Now I know LED's are more efficient at making light, but not this efficient. It was a complete deception, the bulb barely puts out enough light to light a bathroom, much less my living room. You want a decent LED bulb, be prepared to shell out at least 40 dollars.

I don't think people realise how much they are going to have to pay for lightbulbs in 8 years.
And people are going to have to buy more of them too, because the more "affordable" ones (20 dollars) put out much less light.

With the ridiculous cost of these new bulbs, I predict robbers are going to begin breaking into people's homes just to steal their light bulbs in the future.



*a little-noticed provision of the law, known as the Energy Independence and Security Act, also sets a second efficiency goal of 70% that must be met nationwide by 2020. The old incandescent, halogen, and CFL bulbs will all not be able to meet the final efficiency mandate.

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I have an LED bulb in my room. It's a white light LED bulb and cost less than $20. It's alright I guess, I think the technology still needs to improve a little. I'm pretty happy with it but it's not perfect.
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