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[Proots]

Or, maybe he asked you that question hoping the conversation would go like this :

Doctor : So, are you okay with your meds?

WAN : No. I've been breaking them up because of XYZ.

Instead, you lied to him, got caught and now you're angry. Maybe, you should just chuck this up as a lesson learned and be more truthful next time? It doesn't make either of you a bad person. Shit happens. Everyone lies. The important thing is why you're getting so upset of an encounter like this. Any ideas?

[HampTheToker]

I believe most mental illness can be cured with a good dickin'.

Sometimes, it does seem to exacerbate the problem, though. Usually, a rare treat.

[WAN]

Originally Posted by Proots

Or, maybe he asked you that question hoping the conversation would go like this :

Doctor : So, are you okay with your meds?

WAN : No. I've been breaking them up because of XYZ.

Instead, you lied to him, got caught and now you're angry. Maybe, you should just chuck this up as a lesson learned and be more truthful next time? It doesn't make either of you a bad person. Shit happens. Everyone lies. The important thing is why you're getting so upset of an encounter like this. Any ideas?

UGH i explained it in previous post now i gotta explain again?

He didn't ask me like that. instead he was asking in a way a detective would question a potential suspect, as in, he was kind of leading me as well as baiting me. I am mad not because i got caught lying, but because he never trusted me enough in the first place!! and this happened before i gave him a chance to doubt me, aka, BEFORE i lied!!

[Proots]

Originally Posted by WAN

UGH i explained it in previous post now i gotta explain again?

He didn't ask me like that. instead he was asking in a way a detective would question a potential suspect, as in, he was kind of leading me as well as baiting me. I am mad not because i got caught lying, but because he never trusted me enough in the first place!! and this happened before i gave him a chance to doubt me, aka, BEFORE i lied!!

I know you said that - but just because you think he meant it that way, doesn't make it true. Communication is a tricky thing and easy to misinterpret or misunderstand.

He never trusted you in the first place, because trust has to be earned. And, I'm not trying to like get on your case or anything, but it kind of looks like he was right with that assumption.

[HampTheToker]

You're not mad because you got baited. You're mad because you got caught in a lie. Be honest with yourself. He obviously felt a need to test your honesty, and he wasn't wrong. Suck it up and tell the truth. You're only hurting yourself if you don't.

[Figure-8]

Will it really help you?

[Jesus Stamos]

Originally Posted by WAN

If I will have move back to taiwan, where there is nary a hot, blonde-haired white boy, in order to escape having meds shoved down my throat, that is what i will do.

Hey, I've got blonde hair and blue eyes!

[HampTheToker]

Originally Posted by Figure-8

Will it really help you?

Gtfo.

We already reached our crazy limit ITT.

[HampTheToker]

Back off Uncle Jesse.

Don't make me break your hip.

[Jesus Stamos]

Lol, I'm only 25 dude. I think I've got a lil' bit till hips start breaking.

[Blunderstar]

Originally Posted by John Stamos

Lol, I'm only 25 dude.

Only 15 more years until you're 40.

[Jesus Stamos]

Originally Posted by Blunderstar

Only 15 more years until you're 40.

And?

[Blunderstar]

Originally Posted by John Stamos

And?

Biggest fucking pet peeve.

[HampTheToker]

Originally Posted by John Stamos

Lol, I'm only 25 dude. I think I've got a lil' bit till hips start breaking.

Your age won't matter when the slugger makes it shatter...

[HampTheToker]

Originally Posted by Blunderstar

Biggest fucking pet peeve.

And then?

[Blunderstar]

No and then!

[WAN]

Originally Posted by Proots

I know you said that - but just because you think he meant it that way, doesn't make it true. Communication is a tricky thing and easy to misinterpret or misunderstand.

He never trusted you in the first place, because trust has to be earned. And, I'm not trying to like get on your case or anything, but it kind of looks like he was right with that assumption.

That makes him in the wrong, then. Like i stated earlier, in any given human interaction, the polite and courteous thing to do is to assume that the other person is honest//has integrity, until such time comes that this person proves himself to be otherwise. but my shrink never extended this courtesy to me; instead he felt the need to "test" me.

this is why i am mad. oh and, to the person who says i am mad because i got caught lying, fuck you. say that one more time and you go on my ignore

[Blunderstar]

You were mad because you were caught lying.

I know you can't put meee on ignore though. :3

[Rust]

Originally Posted by WAN

... the polite and courteous thing to do is to assume that the other person is honest//has integrity, until such time comes that this person proves himself to be otherwise.

Like by not taking their meds? You had already proved yourself otherwise.

[Proots]

Originally Posted by WAN

That makes him in the wrong, then. Like i stated earlier, in any given human interaction, the polite and courteous thing to do is to assume that the other person is honest//has integrity, until such time comes that this person proves himself to be otherwise. but my shrink never extended this courtesy to me; instead he felt the need to "test" me.

this is why i am mad. oh and, to the person who says i am mad because i got caught lying, fuck you. say that one more time and you go on my ignore

I think you're just a bit paranoid, or you're over thinking this too much.

You posted this conflict - and, everyone seems to agree on one thing. And, that one thing is the only thing you don't want to hear. Doesn't that tell you anything?

He didn't assume you had integrity - because, you didn't. You lied. You were dishonest and he assumed correctly. What's wrong with that? Now that you were caught lying - you're trying to warp the situation to make it seem like he was the bad guy.

Really, WAN - I like you a lot, I'm not trying to push your buttons, but doesn't the way you're going about this seem kind of backwards?

Like I said before, if you're stuck with him - then just try to chuck this up as a learning experience and be more truthful in the future. Trust is something that's earned for most people.

[HampTheToker]

I so wanna bang a hot clown bitch right now.

[HampTheToker]

Also, excellent points, proots.

Would thank, but I'm out atm.

[Zanick]

He wanted to test your level of comfort. Trust is absolutely necessary, it's the foundation of a doctor-patient relationship and just like you need a psychiatrist to be honest with you, they need to know you're comfortable being open and honest with them.

[Zombie Food]

Why are you mad at your doc? He just wanted to see if you would tell him the truth about the pills


You should be mad at your brother for being a cunt.

[p6867]

Yeah WAN, your brother is a dick for being concerned about your mental health.

[WAN]

Originally Posted by Rust

Like by not taking their meds? You had already proved yourself otherwise.

the fuck?

Like I already explained earlier, I have VERY good reason for not taking the meds...namely, I am NOT psychotic nor paranoid...

I know you guys don't believe//might think i am thinking clearly now due to the meds but the truth is, it has nothing to do with the pills. I was well in the first place to begin with.

besides, even if I did need the meds (which I don't), the polite and proper thing for him to do is to have assumed that I HAVE been taking them. just like I stated earlier, the polite and courteous thing for normal people to do is to assume the other party they are dealing with is honest and has integrity and all that.

Originally Posted by Proots

I think you're just a bit paranoid, or you're over thinking this too much.

You posted this conflict - and, everyone seems to agree on one thing. And, that one thing is the only thing you don't want to hear. Doesn't that tell you anything?

He didn't assume you had integrity - because, you didn't. You lied. You were dishonest and he assumed correctly. What's wrong with that? Now that you were caught lying - you're trying to warp the situation to make it seem like he was the bad guy.

well then why didn't he assume i have integrity? THIS is what makes me mad. He assumed I was a liar BEFORE I started lying. If he had said, " you know, your brother told me you been skipping meds" upfront I would have owned up to it without trying to lie or cover anything up. but he didn't. He "set it up" in such a way as to test my integrity BEFORE I lied.

Lets get one thing perfectly clear. He assumed I would lie BEFORE I actually lied. Up until that point, I did have integrity and honesty, this is undeniable. because even though i hadn't been taking the meds, I hadn't lied about not taking them either. so for him to have assumed i was a liar before i actively lied, this is what is unforgivable.

Really, WAN - I like you a lot, I'm not trying to push your buttons, but doesn't the way you're going about this seem kind of backwards?

Nope. You fail to take into account of the fact that he "baited" me.

Like I said before, if you're stuck with him - then just try to chuck this up as a learning experience and be more truthful in the future. Trust is something that's earned for most people.

Trust might need to be earned but I resent someone "testing" me to see if I can be trusted. Furthermore, the fact that he "tested" shows me that he cast doubt on my integrity already way before i started lying.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by WAN

Like I already explained earlier, I have VERY good reason for not taking the meds...namely, I am NOT psychotic nor paranoid...

I know you guys don't believe//might think i am thinking clearly now due to the meds but the truth is, it has nothing to do with the pills. I was well in the first place to begin with.

The thing is even if you thought you didn't need the meds, you still should have told him. That's the doctor-patient relationship. By going behind his back and not taking your pills despite his "orders"/"recommendation" to do so, you're breaking that relationship.

You're right: the polite and courteous thing to do is to assume that the other person is honest/has integrity, until such time comes that this person proves himself to be otherwise. You proved yourself otherwise by going behind his back. If you thought you didn't need the meds, you could have still told him.

[WAN]

Originally Posted by Rust

The thing is even if you thought you didn't need the meds, you still should have told him. That's the doctor-patient relationship. By going behind his back and not taking your pills despite his "orders"/"recommendation" to do so, you're breaking that relationship.

You're right: the polite and courteous thing to do is to assume that the other person is honest/has integrity, until such time comes that this person proves himself to be otherwise. You proved yourself otherwise by going behind his back. If you thought you didn't need the meds, you could have still told him.

I told him PLENTY of times, but each time I tell him, he just thinks and sometimes wonders out loud "maybe I should up the meds some??"

Not trying to turn you or anybody in this thread into my emotional tampon, but every time I have a disagreement with him, or if I give him attitude, he abuses his physical power and threatens to up my meds. He is a fuckign CHINK and I HATE his GUTS. In fact there are so many things that SWIM want to do to him, you have no idea.

[Struwwelpeter]

I'd like to get you the nut house, bitch. Strap you down to the gurney and lick you like Sarah Connor. Lick your face, lick your tits, lick your ass. Then beat you to sleep with the night stick. How does that make you feel?

[WAN]

Originally Posted by Jim "fuck latinos" Carrey

I'd like to get you the nut house, bitch. Strap you down to the gurney and lick you like Sarah Connor. Lick your face, lick your tits, lick your ass. Then beat you to sleep with the night stick. How does that make you feel?

you troll in my thread one more time you go on ignore

i have put up with your fucking garbage long enough,now you gonna fuck MY thread up?

[Struwwelpeter]

Well come on over and fuck my threads up, darling. It would make my day. Anything is better than the likes of the 8-10 replies that they are currently receiving.

[HampTheToker]

Do you have any recourse with maybe finding another doctor that he could refer you to? Someone that he personally would refer you to. An associate of some kind.

A compromise of sorts. Might be worth bringing up in a doctor/patient discussion.

[Jesus Stamos]

Alright, you're mad at your doctor for baiting you but..........You took the bait, doesn't that kinda prove his point? He had to test your honesty with him at some point and you failed miserably. I think that's what your pissed about, the failure.

[WAN]

Originally Posted by HampTheToker

Do you have any recourse with maybe finding another doctor that he could refer you to? Someone that he personally would refer you to. An associate of some kind.

A compromise of sorts. Might be worth bringing up in a doctor/patient discussion.

The fact I would even bring up switching doctor might offend him...I am very nearly out of ideas. I think most likely I will have to simply move to Ontario without telling him.

[HampTheToker]

Good luck with the Ontario looney police.

Try TN, instead.

[Irukanji]

Tell the cops he touched your dick. Wait for lulz.