Maximal classroom sizes are optimal.

[Struwwelpeter]

Before we get in to any discussion about optimal classroom sized we have to remember one very basic thing: all science is bullshit. Science is just a tool that differing ideologues use to compete with each other. There are scientific studies showing that small classroom sizes are optimal and there are scientific studies showing that large classroom sizes are optimal. Both are equally worthless. They have been made up.

It's just common sense that a larger classroom size is going to be more optimal than a small one. By "large" I am referring to a crowd of at least 10,000 people. 100,000-1,000,000 people should be the optimal classroom size. This is simply because any effort to teach 10,000 minds is going to have to be an honest effort. There can be no wishy-washy teaching in that environment. It's got to be macro-oriented; bold, basic, pure. None of that detail shit. And the kids are not going to socialize with each other because there is no medium upon which their egos can rest. They are going to be drowning in a sea of unidentifiable human shit. They'll never see the same person twice.

In order to achieve this, rural school should be shut down and the teachers laid off. All humans not living in major cities will be forced to relocate. There will only be a handful major human population centers in the USA (LA, Seattle, Chicago, Houston, New York City, etc.) There will be fewer than fifteen teachers in the entire country. All of the country's children in these cities will attend one "school" (a large square). There will be no tests, no books, you just show up and listen. Once you know how to speak English you are educated. This is all that is necessary for a functioning and efficient civilization.

[Miley Highrus]

Originally Posted by Jim "fuck latinos" Carrey

Before we get in to any discussion about optimal classroom sized we have to remember one very basic thing: all science is bullshit. Science is just a tool that differing ideologues use to compete with each other. There are scientific studies showing that small classroom sizes are optimal and there are scientific studies showing that large classroom sizes are optimal. Both are equally worthless. They have been made up.

It's just common sense that a larger classroom size is going to be more optimal than a small one. By "large" I am referring to a crowd of at least 10,000 people. 100,000-1,000,000 people should be the optimal classroom size. This is simply because any effort to teach 10,000 minds is going to have to be an honest effort. There can be no wishy-washy teaching in that environment. It's got to be macro-oriented; bold, basic, pure. None of that detail shit. And the kids are not going to socialize with each other because there is no medium upon which their egos can rest. They are going to be drowning in a sea of unidentifiable human shit. They'll never see the same person twice.

In order to achieve this, rural school should be shut down and the teachers laid off. All humans not living in major cities will be forced to relocate. There will only be a handful major human population centers in the USA (LA, Seattle, Chicago, Houston, New York City, etc.) There will be fewer than fifteen teachers in the entire country. All of the country's children in these cities will attend one "school" (a large square). There will be no tests, no books, you just show up and listen. Once you know how to speak English you are educated. This is all that is necessary for a functioning and efficient civilization.

We should just have a website called school.com that everyone has to spend a few hours a day on a few days a week. It will decrease as time goes on. After the lesson which will be about an hour you have to take a 5 question quiz. If you dont pass the quiz you are not allowed to eat for the day.

[billybob]

/jewing people out of education.

no, but great idea, sounds real effective... I bet you're a rogue scholar or some shit. Why take the time out of your day to write that?

[Issue313]

Originally Posted by billybob

/jewing people out of education.

no, but great idea, sounds real effective... I bet you're a rogue scholar or some shit. Why take the time out of your day to write that?

OP's posted before that "...I live like this now, all I have is a backpack, my laptop, a handgun, a legal short barreled shotgun, a fishing pole a few assorted tools. I sleep on top of the roofs of small businesses and local high/elementary schools with a waterproof covering for my body and my pack. Been living this way for nearly a year now, I love it. I'm totally free."

more

Originally Posted by Jim "fuck latinos" Carrey

Yeah I just fish and cook my own food in the wilderness. I also occasionally hunt deer and sell those for cash, or even keep some of the meat for myself. I do not hold employment as I refuse to give tax dollars or my information to ZOG. Killing deer and hogs are without doubt the greatest way to make money, you can bring in 400 dollars a deer for about a 25 cent shotgun shell, you just need to get permission from a land owner and a friend to help haul the deer.

If you're not in an area where you can do that, as I said fishing is the best way to sustain yourself. You can live off of your own effort. I also make crafts, such as handmade knives, I typically steel rail-road tracks and heat them with a portable blowtorch in the park grills, and mend them in to blades with my hammer and some prongs, using concrete floors as an anvil. I then grind these at a local shop, polish them and sell them for 50-100 dollars a pop. There are plenty of tutorials on youtube.

[Struwwelpeter]

I am not a scholar, but apparently Issue313 has taken issue (not surprising, given his username) with my scholarly reputation, so he has posted a quote of an ages-old post I made during the days in which I pretended to be a racist homeless man (one of my many personas throughout the years). Go figure. I've never really liked the boy, myself. He's like one of the reject kids from the block who always comes a knockin' because he's lonely and needs attention.

[moron]

Originally Posted by Jim "fuck latinos" Carrey

They'll never see the same person twice.

[da teacha]

In an English as a foreign language classroom, bigger classes can be beneficial if you have enough classroom management skillz.

More people = more variety of expressions/grammar/vocab in speaking; a variety of opinions and views; different accents, etc. 10,000 could be pushing it though...


I did wonder whether it's possible to build a class like a pyramid, where you as the teachers manage 5 intelligent students, who in turn relay info and help down the pyramid. This way you can educate a class of 1,000 whilst only paying one teacher.

[Xlite]

Originally Posted by Unwires

We should just have a website called school.com that everyone has to spend a few hours a day on a few days a week. It will decrease as time goes on. After the lesson which will be about an hour you have to take a 5 question quiz. If you dont pass the quiz you are not allowed to eat for the day.

Actually i think zoklet could be alot more informative than any schools out there.
I sure as hell learned alot more here than i did in highschool.

All you really need is people, preferably older people who can bring experience into the equation.

[Jerk.]

I learned more in a lecture setting of 500+ students than I did in high school with 20 students.

[komokazi]

Originally Posted by Jerk.

I learned more in a lecture setting of 500+ students than I did in high school with 20 students.

Apples and oranges.

[47 47 47]

Originally Posted by da teacha

I did wonder whether it's possible to build a class like a pyramid, where you as the teachers manage 5 intelligent students, who in turn relay info and help down the pyramid. This way you can educate a class of 1,000 whilst only paying one teacher.

Have you ever heard of being a TA (teachers assistant)?
Grad students (here at least) are required to be a TA for at least one class each quarter. Sometimes all they have to do is grade shit, but sometimes (labs usually) they are the teacher.

Kind of along that path

[King of the world]

I'm finding it hard to find anything wrong with what you've written, despite it being 'radical', that is the funny thing. Anything that is not suggested by social scientists, the intellectuals will work better.

Keep in mind the TIMSS scores I discussed in your other threads regarding academia, now when Maths scores are correlated to the average number of students per classroom for the various countries for which all of the data is available, adding one more student to a classroom increases TIMSS scores by four points. It's not unreasonable to believe that the decrease in the average number of students in US schools from 29 in 1960 to 24 in 1996 was one cause of many in the decrease in math skills which is equivalent to 20 TIMSS points, or 10 SAT Maths points.

It's obvious that doubling or tripling or vastly increasing the size of the classrooms isn't the sole thing that needs to be done, but it does show that education quality does not suffer from increasing the number of students in a classroom, and that education quality can be retained in large classrooms.

The ACADEMY HAS EVERYTHING WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG; stOP LISTENING TO FUCKING SOCIAL SCIENTISTS (MOAR LIKE SOCIALIST SCIENTISTS, AM I RITE?) AND USE SOME COMMON SENSE... THINK!

[King of the world]

aNOTHER POINT IS SMALLER CLASSROMS ONLY EVER SEEM TO INCREASE COSTS.

[King of the world]

Originally Posted by da teacha

I did wonder whether it's possible to build a class like a pyramid, where you as the teachers manage 5 intelligent students, who in turn relay info and help down the pyramid. This way you can educate a class of 1,000 whilst only paying one teacher.

Just die already.

[benny vader]

IMHO classrooms should be done away with all together. All classrooms should be bulldozed over or bombed [for buildings that are too structurally sound and huge to be bulldozed over] and their debris be recycled .....

FOR CLASSHALLS.

AND YEAS. CLASSHALL IS THE NEW WORD AND THE NEW PLACE YOU'LL SENT YOUR KIDS TO. AND THEY'LL LOVE IT BECOS ITS MANDATORY.

A CLASSHALL WILL BE A SOMETHING THAT HAVE A MINIMUM OF 1 SQUARE MILE OF RAW EARTH, WITH CORRUGATED ZINC FOR ROOF SUPPORTED BY HUNDREDS OF RECYCLED STEEL BEAMS AND GIRDERS. AND IT WILL BE PAVED WITH 8INCH OF KNUCKLE SIZED CONCRETE BALLS OF WHATS LEFT OF BULLDOZED OVERED CLASSROOMS.

AT ONE CORNER THEY WILL BE A 30FEET PODIUM ON WHICH A CHARISMATIC PONTIFICATER WILL STAND AND, HAVING DRESSED TO HUNTER THOMPSON'S DEFINITION OF HUMAN PEACOCK .....

THAT GREAT ALMIGHTY PONTIFICATOR WILL ON THAT HOLY AND GLORIOUS DAY OF APRIL, 20TH ..... THUS SOLEMNLY PONTIFICATES :

" Do you remember back in the good old days, at a time when all computers ...... "

[Sleep Is A Curse]

^ Man, trollin a lot these days, aren't you?

[Haiti's Space Agency]

Dude you need to run this country.

[vovka351]

Originally Posted by Jim "fuck latinos" Carrey

Once you know how to speak English you are educated.

ITT OP pretends to be educated.

[King of the world]

Education doesn't require thinking, BECAUSE THE ACADEMY IS JUST A PLACE OF REPITITION, A PLACE OF LEFTIST DOGMATIC BRAINWASHING. THE GOOD INTELLECTUAL IN THE MAKING IS A STUDENT THAT CAN REPLAY DOGMA LIKE A CASSETTE WHEN EXPECTED BY THE PRIESTHOOD OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.

WHAT BIT OF actual information which COULD BE USEFUL (WHICH DOESN'T TAKE UP THE LARGE PORTION OF EDUCATION) becomes sterile and static knowledge in the face of real life and actual training. EDUCATION IS USELESS BECAUSE IT REQUIRES NO THINKING.

To quote a GREAT MAN:

The youthful brain should in general not be burdened with things ninety-five percent of which it cannot use and hence forgets again… In many cases, the material to be learned in the various subjects is so swollen that only a fraction of it remains in the head of the individual pupil, and only a fraction of this abundance can find application, while on the other hand it is not adequate for the man working and earning his living in a definite field.

Knowledge above the average can be crammed into the average man, but it remains dead, and in the last analysis sterile knowledge. The result is a man who may be a living dictionary but nevertheless falls down miserably in all special situations and decisive moments in life.

[Struwwelpeter]

Excellent posts in this thread by King of the World and Benny Vader... Damn, they rock...

[Struwwelpeter]

I just heard on the news yesterday that some country in Asia is going to allow "elite" students to go to high school for two years. Makes more than enough sense to me. I don't even think it should be exclusively reserved for "elite" students, nor do I think it should apply to high school alone. Why not just send children to school for two years? One year elementary, one year secondary. Basic before complex. 1 and 2.