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From what Ive heard, the shooter was using an AR-15 of some sort, a 12 gauge shotgun, and 2 .40 cal glocks. Pistols arent supposed to be primary weapons- theyre just there when you need them. Lethality with handguns is dependent on a lot of dfferent factors.
And from what Ive heard, he was wearing full body armor, which probably restricted his movement quite a bit. The .223 wouldve been a bit more effective at taking people down, and the shotgun of they were in range- but the liklihood is that if everyone was towards the back of the theatre, the shotgun would be dispersed enough to not create horribly devastating wounds automatically (anyone know what loads he was using?), and the .223 would have to contend with rows and rows of those seats- be they metal or foam.
ANd I dunno if you guys saw a picture of this dude- but he looks fucking out of it. He goes between looking confused and tried...almost like a junkie noddding out. Might be from wahtever antipsychotic meds or benzos they gave him before the hearing though. I still can't imagine him being spry and quick minded when he made the attack though, either. It takes practice to become effective with those weapons. Sure, you can just shoot blindly and get lucky (which is what I have a feeling he did). And those .40s in a polymer gun are pretty jumpy your first few times, if youre not used to shooting them a lot. I think they actually said one of the reasons the Vt shooter killed as many as he did was because the smaller caliber guns he used allowed him to place his shots well, and follow them up.
Anyway- I think its a wonder this weirdo killed as many as he did. probably mostly from the AR-15. I sure wish he wouldve done this in the loby of a major pharmaceutical or insurance company though. I mean wtf?
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Look at the Virginia tech massacre. Look at Columbine. Do you think those horrible incidents would have happened if guns weren't so easily accessible?
Um, yeah.
Tim McVeigh and a van full of fertilizer, a bunch of Saudis and a pair of airplanes. A crazed SWAT officer, perhaps. Mass poisonings, mass vehicular homicides (we had one when I was a kid, some guy drove his car through a mall and killed more people than Mr. Joker), mass stabbings (worst school massacre in history was a stabbing), arson, etc. When maniacs want to kill people, they do.
All of our lives are in the hands of more strangers than we would care to think about. It's actually a testament to the power of civilization that these mass murders are rare in our society and only happen on occasion and we're horrified at them. In many parts of the world (and probably the majority of history) it isn't that way.
The idea that the availability of guns caused this is just an attempt to scapegoat the fear of our own fragility into something we can regulate away. Kind of like how airport security is mostly for show. It's not even trading liberty for security, it's trading liberty for the feeling of security.
The difference between guns and bombs is that you can use guns defensively. You may say "but who needs an AR? Those are for mass murder" but you'd be empirically wrong since there are many legitimate reasons for owning a reliable, practical, technologically sound, non-overpenetrating, accurate, rifle with decades of service history and training literature. It's an incredibly useful tool with lots of legitimate value to the law-abiding citizen and very little value to a criminal. If they were made for mass murder, then why would every police department have them available (with full capacity magazines no less) and refuse to give them up citing the protection of their own officers (who work in teams, not on their own like a civilian might)? "Assault weapons" are a myth, they have a very real place in personal protection and to ban them would absolutely trample on the human right to self-protection.
I would also not be surprised if the Aurora shooter got the majority of his victims with his handguns/shotgun. His 100 round mag probably junked the AR early on, as it reportedly jammed and they are notoriously shitty/made for novelty and not combat.
To answer the original question: probably because 1.) he was some psychotic nobody and 2.) he was using weapons designed to wound and stop, rather than rack up body counts. Getting shot will fuck up your health for life, and could kill anyone the next day, but considering the first responders got there in 90 seconds it's pretty reasonable that most victims survived. I bet Brievik got as many kills as he did because of his nicotine bullets.
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Gun control people partake in homosexuality, vegitable only diets, cry when an animal dies, wishes to sacrifice thier own life for the ozone layer and all other types of pure faggotry.
There were a couple reports that this genius was using bird-shot, which is akin to shooting little BBs, as opposed to the buck-shot or slugs that more effectively punch holes in people because the ballistics line up better.
If you want to kill a room full of people, it's generally best to start from one corner of the room and fire across the diagonal, this will in theory maximize your chances of hitting people. Next, bird shot and a semi-automatic rifle aren't the preferred killing mechanisms. They work fine when you're in rag-head land and you have to aim over at least 100 yards, but for close quarters combat, he'd have been better to take some of the expolsives from his apartment, put them into one of those posh metro-sexual "messenger bags" that are so popular with the homos and set it near an exit before going on a shooting rampage. That would drive people back toward the shooter making his terrible weapons more effective. Lastly, if you're going to carry this out, don't fucking tell the pig LEOs about the bombs in your apartment, let them get blown up. You just shot up a theater, what's a couple cops.
A flamethrower is very good for mass murder tasks.
Speaking from having the use and ownership of two of them I can vouch for this.
My small portable flamethrower would easily fit inside a backpack and even with only 20 - 30 seconds worth of fuel it could cover about 85% - 90% of a theater room full of people.
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Just some views from my end.
People that commit these acts usually fantasize about it... Allot. They prepare and prepare and dream or live it over and over in their heads how
"it will happen" and usually when it comes to the time to commit the act they freeze up or start shaking from the adrenalin and fear.
This is where most mass killing sprees go to hell because all of their plans go to hell and it's a spray and pray.
(The following is just for informational only no acts will be committed by the author and any parties here in do so at their own merit.)
If it were me in that situation I would have scouted the theater to see what the staff usually wore as a uniform and buy cloths "like" them. (in a dark theater it seems all the same)
From there I'd go outside of the theater and drill large screws in between the door frame and the door so the emergency exit would be less than useless.
I'd then go in and purchase a ticket with my backpack 10 minutes into the movie (they usually don't bother you when you're late for a movie) and proceed to go to my per-designated area.
At the theater I'd make my way down both side isles to the emergency doors and I'd place a navy blue spray painted improvised explosive in both doorways then I'd make my way up to the top where I'd place an incendiary bomb on a timer and I'd make my way to the only remaining exit with my flamethrower.
As soon as the incendiary detonates I'd start hosing the crowd with the flamethrower and then pick off any that were left with a .45 pistol with either hollow point bullets or dum dum rounds.
I know there's allot of planning done for this but if you have the time and patients as well as being unhinged enough to do it it'd be pretty effective.
Option B would be to make a chemical carbon dioxide generator and seal the doors to the theater... Everyone falls asleep.
Less flashy and less of a smell of burnt rubbery bacon but whatever floats your boat.
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I wonder if he has even fired a gun before all of this. He tried to join a gun club but he never ended up going for whatever reason.
Personally, I don't think the kid is mentally ill. I think he actually feels bad and has remorse for the victims, the reality of what he actually did is all starting to weigh down on him now I think.
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Kinda like the weight of his cell mate... Don't worry a few forceful thrust later he'll eventually stop fighting it.
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Nah, he's in solitary. As soon as he got into the prison he was getting death threats left and right.
So instead of let another inmate kill him, the government wants to do it instead.
On that note if I was on death row, I'd want to go out by means of firing squad or public hanging. I think the lethal injection is too impersonal
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I even gave the late Princess Ashley a chance to discuss morals in a specific thread within W&C, and even that was abused so much, and resulted in her eviction, that I decided it is best to avoid it.
And W&C has been peaceful ever since.
Now, I will throw this out there, but funnily enough, down here in Guatemala, even tho it's a VERY violent country with high crime, we NEVER have these sorts of crazy-ass massacres happen. We have had civil war, drug crime, theft, and gangs, but never school or mall or theater shootings. I wonder why?
We also have one of the highest rates of illegal gun ownership in the world. Conservative estimates place the amount of illegal guns in the country at roughly around the same as the population, that is, ~14 million.
Coincidence?
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If you think all guns should be legal, how about bombs? Why not sell bombs in Wal-Mart? After all, if you want it bad enough you can get them anyways. So are you alright with missiles, bombs, mustard gas, or tanks being sold at Dollar General?
Do you think it's okay to be racist against all blacks since a few of them are nigger thugs?
should we then deport/exterminate all blacks just to rid ourselves of the ones that are niggers?
Do you think it's okay to be racist against all blacks since a few of them are nigger thugs?
should we then deport/exterminate all blacks just to rid ourselves of the ones that are niggers?
I dunno, can I carry a black man around and fire armor-piercing rounds out of his ass?
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"Niggers" are not responsible for more deaths than anyone else; a great many White murders have never seen trial. Additionally, there is very little murder going on in the United States, and your odds of being a victim of murder or gun violence are extraordinarily low, even if you live in a bad neighborhood, so no, there is no reason to ban guns or "Niggers." You pathetic fucking crybaby.
Now, I will throw this out there, but funnily enough, down here in Guatemala, even tho it's a VERY violent country with high crime, we NEVER have these sorts of crazy-ass massacres happen. We have had civil war, drug crime, theft, and gangs, but never school or mall or theater shootings. I wonder why?
We also have one of the highest rates of illegal gun ownership in the world. Conservative estimates place the amount of illegal guns in the country at roughly around the same as the population, that is, ~14 million.
Coincidence?
Well, I'll tell you why :
That's becos the people in your country have never have this pent-up frustration to shoot but with nowhere to vent them.
When they feel the need to shoot people, they become criminals who shoot people for a living, they move up to mehico and join the cartels, and when enough people have this unquenchable desire to shoot each other, they do a something that you called a civil war.
And living in a place that is almost 1:1 in the ratio of guns and owners will make someone think very carefully about going on a shooting spree ..... hell I'd think many many times about going to a cinema to do a shoot-them-up knowing half or even one third of people there would be armed, even with just hand guns.
Wait ..... what ???? I'll be rite back after this.
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Oh, back to the point, therefore the only real solution to these shooting sprees is to arm each and everyone else that are hitherto unarmed, so that when the unimaginable happens, it can be stopped as soon as it had begun.
Lets admit it, The Dark-Shooter would never have been able to shoot more than three, four at most before he got himself shot .... had a majority of the people in the that theater'd been armed.
And TBH ....... just knowing that they can shoot back will stop anyone from attempting a shooting spree.
Ask yourself, why has there never been a shooting spree in a shooting range, or a barrack with active duty personals, or a police station ?????? Thats rite .... becos people who shoots unarmed public usually sucks at shooting while professional shooters shoot HVTs ..... like presidents or MLKs .... or The Pope.
things like that.
tl;dr : america needs moe guns.
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Ask yourself, why has there never been a shooting spree in a shooting range, or a barrack with active duty personals, or a police station ?????? Thats rite .... becos people who shoots unarmed public usually sucks at shooting while professional shooters shoot HVTs ..... like presidents or MLKs .... or The Pope.
things like that.
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There has been. See the Muslim Army Psychiatrist a year or two ago.
He sucked because most people who identify with the OWS movement spend more time smoking mushrooms and listening to Phish than they do at the shooting range.
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These people are almost always mentally defective and moreso if they actually reach trial, being kept in solitary for 2 years has a way of destroying the mind but in 4/5 cases these people are retards,psychotic or high on Muslim hate.
Tear gas works both ways. Not only are you obscuring the target's vision with the fumes, but your own as well. Since you have to wear the gas mask or risk fucking yourself up, visibility is even more limited. Throw in a bunch of other already mentioned factors and wounding goes up while fatalities go down.
That's becos the people in your country have never have this pent-up frustration to shoot but with nowhere to vent them.
When they feel the need to shoot people, they become criminals who shoot people for a living, they move up to mehico and join the cartels, and when enough people have this unquenchable desire to shoot each other, they do a something that you called a civil war.
And living in a place that is almost 1:1 in the ratio of guns and owners will make someone think very carefully about going on a shooting spree ..... hell I'd think many many times about going to a cinema to do a shoot-them-up knowing half or even one third of people there would be armed, even with just hand guns.
Wait ..... what ???? I'll be rite back after this.
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[SCENE : Black screen]
*sounds of clothes being pulled down and zippers being zipped up*
Grayfox [narrating o.s] : That night we smoked copious amount of organic, Canadian Weed .......
[SCENE : An man with an Italian Head affixed to an American body with lit joint scissored between his very pronounced brown index finger and his normal colored middle colored finger exhaling puffs of smoke ecstatically.
[SFX : California Dreamin'.mp3 playing]
Grayfox narrating [off-screen and continues] : before we put on our BDUs, PASGTVs, NGVs, and armed ourselves to the teeth .....
[SCENE : -as seen from inside an NGV, with greenish overtone- TWO fully and heavily armed men giving each other determined look before nodding to each other. They then flipped their NGV down heroically like how medieval crusaders would flip their iron visors down before battle.]
[cut to -]
[The TWO HEAVILY ARMED MEN then approach the perimeter of a building with their assault rifles drawn like how SWATs would. Once there one of the men took out a tactical bolt cutter and cut a man-hole in the chain-linked fence and breaching it.
They came to a steel container and the first man gave a stop hand signal to his team mate, begin to sling his assault rifle to his back, knelt on one knee, pulled his K-bar from his shin sheath and put it to his mouth and gripped it with his teeth.
He look around to make sure it's all clear.
He then hand signaled his team mate ''go-go-go'' before padding his other knee with both his hands.
With Col-Moshin knife between his teeth, the other man ..... ]
Grayfox narrating [off-screen and continues] : and went Dumpster Diving !
[SCENE CONTINUED : stepped onto it, flipped the dumpster cover open before lighting a white phosphor flare.
They then stormed the dumpster ala-comando. Once inside, they tactfully and tactically dissect and disemboweled big-black plastic trash bags.
Grayfox narrating [off-screen and continues] : A grotesque physical salute and the exercise thereof, of the great Second Amendment afforded to us by this phantastically and liberteously great country, where men can be free to bear arms whenever, wherever, however and in doing whatsoever they damn well pleased ..... but only for those with TRUE GRITTTTTTT !!!!!!!!
[SCENE -CUT TO THE PRESENT-]
METAPHYSICS : And we're stuffed [petting his pot-belly] full of vitt.
NARRATOR : THIS MID-SUMMER.
[SFX : a Desert Eagle firing]
[SCENE : the capitalized, red and bolded words ''AND'', ''FEAR'', ''UNLOADING'', and ''VASSILA'' pound onto the screen violently]
Oh, back to the point, therefore the only real solution to these shooting sprees is to arm each and everyone else that are hitherto unarmed, so that when the unimaginable happens, it can be stopped as soon as it had begun.
Lets admit it, The Dark-Shooter would never have been able to shoot more than three, four at most before he got himself shot .... had a majority of the people in the that theater'd been armed.
And TBH ....... just knowing that they can shoot back will stop anyone from attempting a shooting spree.
Ask yourself, why has there never been a shooting spree in a shooting range, or a barrack with active duty personals, or a police station ?????? Thats rite .... becos people who shoots unarmed public usually sucks at shooting while professional shooters shoot HVTs ..... like presidents or MLKs .... or The Pope.
things like that.
tl;dr : america needs moe guns.
LOL, do you have any clue how many more shootings and murders there would be?
Source: military zones like Somalia and parts of Mexico
but those arent public shooting sprees ..... those are just,
wars.
That's a loose interpretation of a war.
Once people have guns and use guns as protection, instead of fucking up the guy who attacked you, you shoot him to death. More guns=more deaths. Period.
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