Well, that suboxone blocker thing must not work.

[Psychotogen]

I've been using suboxone for a while now when I can't get any ops (for bad days) I took 4 mgs at like 3 pm before work and around 8 my dad brought me some percs as a suprise. I downed 4 perc 10's at around 8 like i said and I was feeling pretty good. Got home and downed 4 more around 10 and I am feeling wonderful. So, I dont know if it can only block SOME of the receptors, or how this works. It normally takes 3-5 perc 10's to do anything. I normally prefer Morphine and Oxycodone 30's. So to you I ask, have you had anything similar happen? I thought the point of this drug was to stop you from using? (or for DT's obviously)

[FrY]

The naloxone takes opiates off the receptors best, so if you take it after you have opiates in ye ole system it can bring on a sudden w/d feeling and make you sicks, if you take opiates afterwards some of the receptors are tied up so it takes more opiates to get you high.

At least from what I understand and have experienced.

[&Zenith]

It's naloxone and is what is used to revive people from unconsciousness during opiate withdrawals. There either was not enough or its effects expired somewhat since dosing. Buprenorephine is the primary constituent of suboxone that's used to help you when you're dope sick. I've never taken suboxone during addiction or withdrawal, only before to attempt attain a "buzz" which only gave me a feeling with no positive effects. Having known heavy users I do know it certainly has it's merit though.

[bortmackie]

I thought that the naloxone was essentially inactive and that the blockade effect just comes from buprenorphine's super high affinity. Like if you take buprenorphine with opiates already in your system, it rips them out of the receptors, giving you precipitated withdrawal. Anyways, i've known for quite some time that you can totally break through the suboxone if you have enough substance. The only thing is that it basically just boosts your tolerance a bunch, so it may not be worth it depending on timing/suboxone dosage/etc.

[Psychotogen]

This naloxone shit is shrouded in mystery. But, it truly is a wonder drug. Back on it today.
Probably shouldn't have taken at 9pm with espresso. I'm sure ill be awake for a while. On a side note. Does it make anyone else a little itchy? I even get noddy off it sometimes. Usually when reading a lot.

[Ph0x]

Suboxone only works intravenously.

[Psychotogen]

And this is why they have you dissolve it under your tongue. You don't swallow it.

[1337]

[bortmackie]

I think suboxone is just an elaborate scheme to make shit tons of money. Apparently the patent is expiring or recently did, but there are claims that they're having trouble making a generic formulation, which has to be bullshit. They can clearly produce it; that's a completely ludicrous statement.

Lots of people complain about side effects that can be traced to the naloxone, but doctors wont give you subutex because they're convinced that naloxone makes it 'safer'. It does not prevent you from 'abusing' suboxone, and the blockade effect can be easily defeated depending on your bupe tolerance, time since last dose, and potency of your dope.

They claim it's some sort of 'miracle' drug and what not, but it's just a legal addiction thats slightly preferable to methadone. I tried to get off of it and had a doctor convince me to triple my dosage to 12mg, which i agreed to because i was so sick from not having it. A year and a half later, i'm finally down to 2mg. However, i'm sure the hardest part lies ahead. My previous doctor was basically running a pain clinic, although i only went to him for subs. I showed up after driving 45 minutes for my refill, and no one was there. Turns out the DEA raided the place and he got his license taken away. Meanwhile i have no suboxone and no way of getting suboxone, and had to turn around and drive the other way to score dope, because i had to work and couldn't afford to be sick.

With the tolerance i have, i get at MOST an hour of slight mood lift after my dose kicks in. I always look forward to it in the morning, but the effects are so slight that it's essentially just keeping me well. So of course it doesn't do shit for cravings now, and i still use dope, except now i have a comparably way worse drug habit than i did before i got on the subs. I was rarely to the point of having to take opioids everyday just to feel normal before i got on the subs.

So yea, if anyone's considering getting on the shit, i'd advise you to reconsider. It is nice to have to avoid heroin withdrawals, but that's about it. I'm pretty much just a junkie who has big pharma as a dealer, and it makes me want to devote my life to dismantling the fucking pharmaceutical corporations.

[Psychotogen]

I can understand that. I'd still rather use it than methadone. Don't feel like losing my teeth.

[bortmackie]

yea, i agree that it's preferable to methadone, i just wish someone had told me all the things i now know about suboxone.

[stoner oxy80]

yeah i take subs and i agree it,s just a legal drug addiction.