digestible microchip approved by FDA as anti abuse mechansim

[mexico]

From slashdot:

Digestible microchips embedded in drugs may soon tell doctors whether a patient is taking their medications as prescribed. The 'digital pills' are the first ingestible devices approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. The pills contain a sand-particle sized sensor, consisting of a minute silicon chip containing trace amounts of magnesium and copper. When swallowed, it generates a slight voltage in response to digestive juices, which conveys a signal to the surface of a person's skin where a patch then relays the information to a mobile phone belonging to a healthcare-provider. Currently, the FDA, and the analogous regulatory agency in Europe have only approved the device based on studies showing its safety and efficacy when implanted in placebo pills. But Proteus Digital Health, the manufacturer, hopes to have the device approved within other drugs in the near future.

[Gun Lover]

Fuck the police, this will only fuel the black market.

[Zeze838]

Originally Posted by Gun Lover

Fuck the police, this will only fuel the black market.

Fuck the black market, this will only fuel the police.

[I Kill Null Airtime]

Fuck the fuel, this will only police the black market.

[Zeze838]

Fuel the market, this will only fuck black police.

[Retard Synrdome]

Fuck the fuck fucking fuck fuck fuck fuck

[I Kill Null Airtime]

Seriously though, this is effed up.

[The Spanish Inquisition]

This moment is truly special to me.

[Zeze838]

Originally Posted by The Spanish Inquisition

This moment is truly special to me.

Ur welcome...

[sploogook]

what if you snort the pill? or IV it?

[Zanick]

The doctor-patient relationship is built upon trust, something these people will never understand.

[GreatestGatsby4]

fuck the police market, this will only fuel the black

[GreatestGatsby4]

i waited too long to post

[psychomanthis]

[Zeze838]

Originally Posted by GreatestGatsby4

i waited too long to post

Wow just wow

[mexico]

Stop destroying the thread with your fucking nonsense.

I didn't read the primary source but judging by the wording this wouldn't detect iv or intranasal use. However if you are shooting, snorting, or selling your prescribed pills they could tell as they would fail to transmit. However its more of a proof of concept I think. If this technology does get approved for use in non placebos whose to say there wouldn't be a microchip that somehow acts as a nida 5 drug test would

[sploogook]

tldr we buy some hydrochloric acid and save the pill solutions up

[I Kill Null Airtime]

I wonder if people will be able to make counterfeit chips to make it look like they took their prescribed dose.

[Zeze838]

Originally Posted by a334jv2df #2

Stop destroying the thread with your fucking nonsense.

Fucking stop the thread with your destroying nonsense.

[I Kill Null Airtime]

Originally Posted by sploogook

tldr we buy some hydrochloric acid and save the pill solutions up

You mean like try and extract the chip?

[broseph]

if the UK gets to this point, i'll move to a part of the world where there's good old-fashioned freedom. wherever that is.

[mexico]

Originally Posted by I Kill Null Airtime

You mean like try and extract the chip?

While I hope such a police state never exists, this would incorporate my two areas of expertise: computer science and psychopharmacology

[I Kill Null Airtime]

I don't know anything about chemistry. Would hydrochloric acid dissolve the pill then evaporate? Then pick out the chip and take it as prescribed?

[sploogook]

Originally Posted by I Kill Null Airtime

You mean like try and extract the chip?

actually what i meant is how in the article it says reacts tostomach juices to send an electrical charge to a patch on the skin

stomach juices are an enviorment of hydrochloric acid and probably a few other minor things, so you would lett the patch rest in thesolution (hypothetically lets say this isnt aproblem) for enough time that its fooled into thinking your stomach digested it. obviously thoughyoud thenhave to save up the solutions and extract them from the hydrochloricacid

[fuckbiscuit]

Ain't gonna stop people selling the pill powdered and eating the microchip though, is it?

[mexico]

most pills aren't meant to be chewed thus no mechanical digestion need be accounted for when designing the microchip. Crushing the pill would likely destroy it. Just because it can withstand the harsh chemical environment does not mean it is crush proof.

Originally Posted by I Kill Null Airtime

I don't know anything about chemistry. Would hydrochloric acid dissolve the pill then evaporate? Then pick out the chip and take it as prescribed?

I may be wrong, but I think the way it works is the microship is surround by the copper and magnesium. The pill dissolves thus releasing the active ingredient. The microchip is at the core center. So when the outer layers of the pill dissolve, the copper and magnesium is now exposed. As the copper and magnesium interact with active ingredient, the microchip receives the conductive reading. The microchip sends a electrochemcial reading to the transdermeral patch which uses some protocol to transmit the information to the health care provider. The magnesium and copper continues to digest thus exposing the microchip. The microchip digests and that's it. That's how I think it would work.

I'd be more interested in the protocol used to transmit the information. Even if the data packets are encrypted chances are you could find a pattern and transmit your own data packet. If they use a static salt with enough information you could use brute force to possibly figure out the salt. Dynamic salt would probably not be reasonable in this case because the dynamic salt would have to be based on our biological variables (or time, or something predictable which would be stupid) and the server couldn't possibly know our body variables unless the transmission was encapsulated in an object that contained both the primary variable and the salt... Which would be self defeating. Would the transmitter have a unique identifing number such as a MAC or IP? I'm sure we could build our own receive to read others data. There would have to be a way for the server to link the incoming transmission to the user.

[fuckbiscuit]

^ I'm sure you'd be able to dig it out carefully grinding the pill down with a hose clip or something?

Then again, who knows? maybe they won't make it that easy.

[mexico]

Just my preliminary thoughts. Would someone care to dig up the patent? If someone would be so kind I will draft a thorough report outlining the technological faults. Maybe someone could draft a chem hack

[mexico]

Originally Posted by fuckbiscuit

^ I'm sure you'd be able to dig it out carefully grinding the pill down with a hose clip or something?

Then again, who knows? maybe they won't make it that easy.

Yea like I said my post is purely speculative. I just don't see a reason to make the microchip durable enough to resist even a small amount of physical damage if no physical digestion is meant to take place. However, if the microchip is always located in the same spot, one could probably deconstruct most of the pill with little to no care, but with the precision of an archaeologist when getting near its location. And, for an accurate reading, I would assume the microchip would be in a static location. Although if the pills of octal symmetry such as a circle I guess it would get the same reading in 8 different positions

I also don't see how creating a security token to prevent a csrf type attack would work

[I Kill Null Airtime]

http://www.google.com/patents/US7978064

[mexico]

Awesome. Not going to view it now cause I'm on my hand held. Would give you a thanks but using the mobile theme and feature is omitted. Will report tomorrow about tentative release date for my draft

[turboneger]

mmm a nice bowl of nanobots to keep myself from harm

[sploogook]

hmm my computerkkeeps on fucking freezing

you could then swallow the chip alone and save em up im not sure which of the two would be more feasible since this is all preliminary.

THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO CHEAT THE SYSTEM: figure out the wattage of the pill's signal and use an electrical utility to emulate that signal. you could take your whole fucking prescription at once then (as long as its not down the oral route) and raise no suspicions if you can remind yourself to zap the patch on your arm at times your supposed to take the prescription.

^my bad the OPP already wrote this

i could imagine that being sold in headshops everywhere in a few years.

[sploogook]

no what else sucks about this? what if they use the microchips on non-abuseable pills too? like SSRIs and antipsychotics. they could then make sure your taking your chemical lobotomy as prescribed, all from the comfort of your own home.

[LSDaamn]

All its going to do is make people switch to illegal drugs.