Race Debate from Shooting Thread

[Dog]

I'm always amused at how much energy liberals put into defending evil people, just as long as they're the right race. The black criminals everyone hates are just as bad as (if not worse than) the KKK lynch mobs and murderers from back in the day. Why do liberals have such a retarded (as in, poorly developed) sense of morality that they can't see that?

[Fetish69]

I grew up in Boston bitches and we fucked them motherfuckers up! But even the liberal assholes that were pro bussing admitted in retrospect it was a failure. People were killed quite literally. Stabbed and beaten to death in schools.

[TheRascalKing]

Originally Posted by Dog

I'm always amused at how much energy liberals put into defending evil people, just as long as they're the right race. The black criminals everyone hates are just as bad as (if not worse than) the KKK lynch mobs and murderers from back in the day. Why do liberals have such a retarded (as in, poorly developed) sense of morality that they can't see that?

Whereas the KKK and white lynch mobs murdered people to uphold the oppressive status quo against blacks, jews, catholics, immigrants and white people who spoke out against the Anglo Saxon protestant, unjust system in this country, black criminals, for the most part, engage in criminal activity because of forced ignorance and extreme social pressures stemming from the oppression of their ancestors beginning the moment they arrived in this country.

[Malice]

Yeah Tacho, go to the ghetto and tell the gangbangers it's not their fault because the white forced them into ignorance and a destructive lifestyle.

You know you would get laughed at. This is such typical behavior from a white person filled with guilt, telling people why everything isn't their fault instead of listening to them and forming a realistic view. You are not Black.

[TheRascalKing]

Originally Posted by Malice

Yeah Tacho, go to the ghetto and tell the gangbangers it's not their fault because the white forced them into ignorance and a destructive lifestyle.

You know you would get laughed at. This is such typical behavior from a white person filled with guilt, telling people why everything isn't their fault instead of listening to them and forming a realistic view. You are not Black.

Yeah, you caught me. I'm a dark skinned Jew who underwent cosmetic surgery to flatten my nose.

[Fetish69]

Originally Posted by TheRascalKing

Yeah, you caught me. I'm a dark skinned Jew who underwent cosmetic surgery to flatten my nose.

Are you Sephardic?

[TheRascalKing]

Originally Posted by Fetish69

Are you Sephardic?

1/4.

[Fetish69]

I knew one once that was verrry dark. His name was Abe.

[Psych]

Originally Posted by TheRascalKing

Dude, I fucking grew up in a lower middle class ghetto.

lol. Thats worse than what you posted the first time. Why did you change it to qualify the ghetto? Theres no middle class ghetto. There's the ghetto and then there ain't.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Psych

lol. Thats worse than what you posted the first time. Why did you change it to qualify the ghetto? Theres no middle class ghetto. There's the ghetto and then there ain't.

There are different degrees of ghetto. ^ Trust me.

[dephdiddy]

Originally Posted by Malice

1) If you're going to blame it on poverty or being minorities, you'll need to explain the large difference compared to Hispanics, another criminal group: http://www.theamericanconservative.c...les/his-panic/

2) Tacho, let's say my grandparents where victims of the holocaust. Not killed, but they were put into camps, suffered greatly, but survived. They migrate to the US, extremely poor, only speak yiddish, psychologically scarred, facing strong jewish discrimination, then have my father and let's say mother too so we won't have to use another family. Now, both my parents come from a very disadvantaged background, but I, and surprisingly the vast majority of other Jews from a similar background are successes, just like my parents and grandparents, relative to their time.

Now, let's say I found out that before my grandparents, let's say their grandparents, those people had been slaves and they had been that way for thousands of years, building pyramids and knocking them down only to build them again. How would that effect me?

Let's say I found out that all my grandparents had been slaves. Once again, there's no direct effect on me.

Now, another point is the cycle of whatever negative term you want to use. Let's just say degeneracy because I believe it describes the state of most Blacks aptly. The cycle of degeneracy, like the cycle of violence. Your parents are degenerates and you are too. Are you arguing that during the segregation period Black culture was anywhere near as bad as it is now? Are you arguing that when their circumstances improved after the civil rights movement, a positive thing, that that somehow justified the culture severely degrading?

Answer me, was Black culture always this destructive, and if not, what caused it to degenerate so severely although things improved significantly? Unless you want to argue that things didn't improve significantly after the civil rights movement.

Was it that Blacks were no longer being kept in their place? Was it the destructive effects of welfare? Walter Williams would certainly agree:

John Stossel - The State Against Blacks - YouTube

BTW, that is a ridiculous misrepresentation of what actually happened. For the vast majority of Blacks things weren't anywhere near that bad. You're taking extreme examples and portraying them as the norm.

white privilege obviously, racist prick.

edit: stossel was boss on o'reilly tonight... DEA causes more problems than it solves, whether you are a drug user or not this is fiscally obvious.

[Psych]

If you're a Jew you should be offended by blacks calling their neighborhoods ghettos.

[TheRascalKing]

Originally Posted by Psych

If you're a Jew you should be offended by blacks calling their neighborhoods ghettos.

It's basically the same thing. A neighborhood that an oppressed minority was forced into.

[dephdiddy]

being bored into a spoonfed lifestyle is more crippling than being born with nothing.
if you don't understand that there is nothing more to say about it.
having nothing teaches you what it takes to make something,
where as the other way is the opposite.

[TheRascalKing]

And a legacy of not being legally allowed to have anything is most crippling.

[tuer502gt]

Different breeds of dogs have different personalities and temperaments.

There is variation amongst the breed according to the hormone levels in the individual, which can have genetic factors also. There is also things such as brain size, location and efficiency.

Not to mention social circumstances and stature.

[adhesive tape]

Originally Posted by TheRascalKing

And a legacy of not being legally allowed to have anything is most crippling.

Only if you are part of a lazy, inferior race/culture. Black culture is to blame. The concept of "blame everything on whitey" is to blame. Social welfare is to blame. But of course you cannot accept these facts because you want to cling to the fact that there was slavery thus blacks can never succeed as a race, if anything you're more racist. I think blacks can succeed if they reject contemporary black culture, embrace white culture and strive for greatness. You think blacks are doomed because of the inequalities that previous generations suffered. Its no coincidence that the members of the black community that are successful are those seem most "white", the same ones that are called sell-outs and Uncle Toms by the rest of the community, all while not understanding the meaning of that term or its origin.

[TheRascalKing]

>Call a culture born out of forced labor "lazy"
>Rant about inferiority of blacks
>Repeatedly make excuses for pure fucking evil behavior
>Repeatedly compare Italian and Irish discrimination to exploitation and centuries long oppression of blacks
>Ignore anything that implicates white people's bullshit in the modern day suffering of people of color
>Repeatedly use the word "nigger"

Calls me racist...

You may not know this, but the seemingly negative aspects of black culture were caused by oppression. Why do black people seem to have an attitude all the time? Because a black person that didn't assert themselves was fucked over. Why do black people tend to employ violence? Because of white arrogance in shutting off all other forms of conflict resolution.

I never said that anyone is doomed, my point is that you can't blame black people solely for the lack of "success", because the entire black experience in this country has been one in which white people discouraged success. To expect things to equal out over 40 years after 400 years of noncitizen status is ridiculous. No matter how successful a black person gets, he still deals with people who would deny it, slander him, or attack him viciously solely because of the color of their skin. Hell, the President is black, and his office is being disrespected in ways never seen before.

[Malice]

Tacho: There's was a study done where they compared test scores of 5 different socioeconomic groups of Whites and blacks. The only group of blacks that was able to beat a group of Whites were those from a family with an income over $200,000, and they were only to able to beat the Whites who came from a family that made less than $10,000, and even then it was only by an insignificant amount.

$10,000 for a family is trailer trash poor. Are you saying that Whites that poor still have an unfair advantage over rich blacks?

[Malice]

http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_coll...ions-test.html

May have been 100,00, reading through it now. Could have been another study/test.

[dephdiddy]

Originally Posted by TheRascalKing

>Call a culture born out of forced labor "lazy"
>Rant about inferiority of blacks
>Repeatedly make excuses for pure fucking evil behavior
>Repeatedly compare Italian and Irish discrimination to exploitation and centuries long oppression of blacks
>Ignore anything that implicates white people's bullshit in the modern day suffering of people of color
>Repeatedly use the word "nigger"

Calls me racist...

You may not know this, but the seemingly negative aspects of black culture were caused by oppression. Why do black people seem to have an attitude all the time? Because a black person that didn't assert themselves was fucked over. Why do black people tend to employ violence? Because of white arrogance in shutting off all other forms of conflict resolution.

I never said that anyone is doomed, my point is that you can't blame black people solely for the lack of "success", because the entire black experience in this country has been one in which white people discouraged success. To expect things to equal out over 40 years after 400 years of noncitizen status is ridiculous. No matter how successful a black person gets, he still deals with people who would deny it, slander him, or attack him viciously solely because of the color of their skin. Hell, the President is black, and his office is being disrespected in ways never seen before.

What you are doing is focusing constantly on the causes, and not the solution. this is why your pure motive is being taken wrong by even the level headed of us... come on man, get with it. it sounds like alot of boohooing. It sucks what your people went through. I feel for it, man as an animal is inherently meant to be "free". It was tragic and the way they used the Bible as justification was fucked.
We get it. But GET OVER IT.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by tuer502gt

Different breeds of dogs have different personalities and temperaments.

There is variation amongst the breed according to the hormone levels in the individual, which can have genetic factors also. There is also things such as brain size, location and efficiency.

Not to mention social circumstances and stature.

All research states that is absolutely untrue. ^

Originally Posted by Malice

Tacho: There's was a study done where they compared test scores of 5 different socioeconomic groups of Whites and blacks. The only group of blacks that was able to beat a group of Whites were those from a family with an income over $200,000, and they were only to able to beat the Whites who came from a family that made less than $10,000, and even then it was only by an insignificant amount.

$10,000 for a family is trailer trash poor. Are you saying that Whites that poor still have an unfair advantage over rich blacks?

Post study.

Also, assuming you're correct: yes. Race privilege doesn't go away solely because of net worth.

Biological race does not exist. It's purely social. Study after study disproves race. So all of the disparities between race are also social.

What little "race" we can find resembles nothing culture and society have established. Tacho and I may have more in common than you and I. Believe it or not, color of skin is a verrrrry minor genetic and biological difference.

[dephdiddy]

Id have a beer with tacho but damn, sounds like itd be a depressing time.

[Malice]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

Biological race does not exist. It's purely social. Study after study disproves race. So all of the disparities between race are also social.

Myth.

http://www.aei.org/article/society-a...quality-taboo/

I prefer the term genetic populations, but race has a more commonly understood meaning.

Genetic markers?

More differences within races then between? That doesn't even mean anything. What it means is that the range of genetic variation within a race is wider than those commonly found between them. So what? By the same measure, the range within gender, you can have geniuses, severely retarded, horribly deformed, elite athletes, is much greater than the average difference between men and woman. Once again, so what? Does this mean that there do not tend to be significant and quantifiable differences between men and women? You should know there are if you've read up on evolutionary psychology. It's a catchphrase, something people blindly accept without fully understanding because it's in line with their biases.

Small genetic differences can have massive effects.

Yes, humans can evolve. If this wasn't the case, how did neanderthals come about? Along with all the other sub-species:



Denying that differences could have arisen withing populations simply isn't scientific. You're denying evolutionary theory. You can argue that it was unlikely to happen, but not that it couldn't have happened.

It's absolutely possible that due to strong selective pressure Europeans and Asians received genes for superior intelligence.

Study: http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_coll...ions-test.html

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Malice

Myth.

http://www.aei.org/article/society-a...quality-taboo/

I prefer the term genetic populations, but race has a more commonly understood meaning.

Genetic markers?

More differences within races then between? That doesn't even mean anything. What it means is that the range of genetic variation within a race is wider than those commonly found between them. So what? By the same measure, the range within gender, you can have geniuses, severely retarded, horribly deformed, elite athletes, is much greater than the average difference between men and woman. Once again, so what? Does this mean that there do not tend to be significant and quantifiable differences between men and women? You should know there are if you've read up on evolutionary psychology. It's a catchphrase, something people blindly accept without fully understanding because it's in line with their biases.

Small genetic differences can have massive effects.

Yes, humans can evolve. If this wasn't the case, how did neanderthals come about? Along with all the other sub-species:



Denying that differences could have arisen withing populations simply isn't scientific. You're denying evolutionary theory. You can argue that it was unlikely to happen, but not that it couldn't have happened.

It's absolutely possible that due to strong selective pressure Europeans and Asians received genes for superior intelligence.

Study: http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_coll...ions-test.html

You ignored what I said: genetics totally plays a role and there are "races", but they don't match social race lines.

Tacho and I could be a "race" separate from you. Seriously. The evidence is overwhelming. Using performance statistics does not take into account discrimination/oppression. It's a gross oversimplification.

"White people have a higher net work than black people. Therefore, they work harder."

lololololololololol no.

[Malice]

Sure you should take it into account, and you can, but I've never seen a good analysis that shows that this has a high chance of explaining the large gap that remains.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Malice

Sure you should take it into account, and you can, but I've never seen a good analysis that shows that this has a high chance of explaining the large gap that remains.

Except the ol' "being actively oppressed for centuries" explanation. That would explain a lot actually.

[adhesive tape]

Originally Posted by TheRascalKing

>Call a culture born out of forced labor "lazy" If they weren't forced, they wouldn't work at all, like now for example.
>Rant about inferiority of blacks Well Mr. tolerance here doesn't respect my opinion
>Repeatedly make excuses for pure fucking evil behavior Show me where in this thread I've made excuses for evil behavior
>Repeatedly compare Italian and Irish discrimination to exploitation and centuries long oppression of blacks Its a worthy comparison, the economic mobility of many the Irish immigrants is pretty impressive, blacks not so much.
>Ignore anything that implicates white people's bullshit in the modern day suffering of people of color In my day to day all I see white guilt and hand outs. I've seem black friends of mine get federal loans and acceptances from colleges that I couldn't despite my lower income, better grades and more diversified resume. Give me an example of how TODAY "whitey" is keeping you down.
>Repeatedly use the word "nigger" Free speech nigger, you repeatedly use the words honkey and whitey.

Calls me racist... Still no actual response to essentially anything I or anyone else has said in this thread or any other.

You may not know this, but the seemingly negative aspects of black culture were caused by oppression. Why do black people seem to have an attitude all the time? Because a black person that didn't assert themselves was fucked over. Why do black people tend to employ violence? Because of white arrogance in shutting off all other forms of conflict resolution.

I never said that anyone is doomed, my point is that you can't blame black people solely for the lack of "success", because the entire black experience in this country has been one in which white people discouraged success. To expect things to equal out over 40 years after 400 years of noncitizen status is ridiculous. No matter how successful a black person gets, he still deals with people who would deny it, slander him, or attack him viciously solely because of the color of their skin. Hell, the President is black, and his office is being disrespected in ways never seen before.

Funny. What you don't realize is all those social programs that you love so much as a left is hurting your race more than anything. You hate the white man so much? Stop taking his welfare check and becoming hopelessly dependent on it. This is one way in which I agree with some of the sentiments of Malcolm X. If you talk the talk, walk the walk.

Now you're trolling. The president is some kind of hero and if you disagree with him politically you are racist. I think the Obama admin is getting it super easy considering how much they promised and how little they delivered. Compare the way Obama is talked about to the way Bush was talked about. Both jerk-offs but apparently Obama is special. How exactly is his office "being disrespected in ways never before seen".

[testerman]

it just gets tiresome stating the obvious over and over. at some point you realiZe that the anti-racists are not interested in truth. all they care about is keeping being faggots

Originally Posted by Malice

1) If you're going to blame it on poverty or being minorities, you'll need to explain the large difference compared to Hispanics, another criminal group: http://www.theamericanconservative.c...les/his-panic/

2) Tacho, let's say my grandparents where victims of the holocaust. Not killed, but they were put into camps, suffered greatly, but survived. They migrate to the US, extremely poor, only speak yiddish, psychologically scarred, facing strong jewish discrimination, then have my father and let's say mother too so we won't have to use another family. Now, both my parents come from a very disadvantaged background, but I, and surprisingly the vast majority of other Jews from a similar background are successes, just like my parents and grandparents, relative to their time.

Now, let's say I found out that before my grandparents, let's say their grandparents, those people had been slaves and they had been that way for thousands of years, building pyramids and knocking them down only to build them again. How would that effect me?

Let's say I found out that all my grandparents had been slaves. Once again, there's no direct effect on me.

Now, another point is the cycle of whatever negative term you want to use. Let's just say degeneracy because I believe it describes the state of most Blacks aptly. The cycle of degeneracy, like the cycle of violence. Your parents are degenerates and you are too. Are you arguing that during the segregation period Black culture was anywhere near as bad as it is now? Are you arguing that when their circumstances improved after the civil rights movement, a positive thing, that that somehow justified the culture severely degrading?

Answer me, was Black culture always this destructive, and if not, what caused it to degenerate so severely although things improved significantly? Unless you want to argue that things didn't improve significantly after the civil rights movement.

Was it that Blacks were no longer being kept in their place? Was it the destructive effects of welfare? Walter Williams would certainly agree:

John Stossel - The State Against Blacks - YouTube

BTW, that is a ridiculous misrepresentation of what actually happened. For the vast majority of Blacks things weren't anywhere near that bad. You're taking extreme examples and portraying them as the norm.

[testerman]

Originally Posted by Psych

If you're a nigger you should be offended by jews calling their neighborhoods ghettos.

fix't p