The World's Worst Weapons

[Irukanji]

Originally Posted by Eskorbuto

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_light

I just won the argument. Fuck you, meme. And fuck your royal faggot navy.

For anyone that still doesn't believe this works, I will be glad to come to your house in the dark of the night while you sleep, blind the shit out of you and whack you in the nuts.

P.S.: This gave me an idea for a tactical light thread.

And you walk through the door expecting to see somebody in the bed, only to be shot from the side, by a guy hiding in the shadows.

How useful is your torch now?

[Actor]

Scud missles? From what I read about them on wikipedia they seem to be really inacurate.

[Mantikore]

Originally Posted by Actor

Scud missles? From what I read about them on wikipedia they seem to be really inacurate.

"Quantity has a quality all its own."

[p6867]

^The scud is awesome. Just unguided tubes of ordinance and fuel, which makes them next to impossible to bring down. The missile defense for scuds is called hit to kill kinetic warheads, which is a fancy term for another missile that needs to actually hit this missile with its lead tip and knock the missile off course, which is obviously a million times more difficult to do than just get the missile near it and detonate to destroy the targeting system on fancier missile systems like the patriot that people always want to compare it to.
Say your north korea looking to bring a little doom and gloom to Japan, you throw a nuke on one in ever 3 or 4 thousand scuds and then launch 10,000 of them on japan. Every Aegis cruiser in the world isn't stopping that from getting through.

TL;DR

Just because all the shitty arab countries have never used them well, doesn't mean the scud isn't an awesome weapon system.

[Rolf]

Originally Posted by p6867

Just because all the shitty arab countries have never used them well, doesn't mean the scud isn't an awesome weapon system.

Could be said for a lot of Warsaw Pact equipment that Arabs give a bad name, proclaims Rolf.

Originally Posted by Irukanji

And you walk through the door expecting to see somebody in the bed, only to be shot from the side, by a guy hiding in the shadows.

This is why tanks and APC's should be used to crush any resistance fighters (and their women and children) hiding in huts or buildings, proclaims Rolf.

[Retard Synrdome]

Rolf's mother.

[is all mememememe with me]

Originally Posted by Irukanji

And you walk through the door expecting to see somebody in the bed, only to be shot from the side, by a guy hiding in the shadows.

How useful is your torch now?

this is what stun grenades are for. its the only real advantage the clearer has over the dweller.

what you all seem to fail to understand is that when clearing a room you have to assume that there are one or more hostiles and that they know you are coming. you can't assume they don't. this means that as soon as you present yourself in that doorway, while your flashing your fancy light around, that very same second while you are still trying to size up the room and find the target you will be taking fire. even if it is pitch darkness and your light is destroying my nightvision i am just going to let off full auto right in the direction of the source of that light. and if i know what i'm doing i will have one eye closed and then switch eyes as soon as you turn off that light. if your still standing that is. house clearing is very quick business. when one force goes into a room onto an opposing force its usually all over in about 2 maybe 3 seconds max. its an instinctive thing you have to train for, fuck your lights lighting you up like a christmas tree. cause guaranteed by the time a christmas tree has appeared in a doorway and turned to aim at a target the target would have put 3 rounds in him already.

i mean there are instances where a light comes in crucial to operations, but none that i can think of where it being mounted on a gun would be better. i would rather flash a torch around the doorway prior to entering if anything. but then the stun grenade is always going to do a much better job.

and btw, you don't need to fuck our navy. we've done a good enough job of that ourselves.

[5.56 SS109]

Originally Posted by is all mememememe with me

this is what stun grenades are for. its the only real advantage the clearer has over the dweller.

what you all seem to fail to understand is that when clearing a room you have to assume that there are one or more hostiles and that they know you are coming. you can't assume they don't. this means that as soon as you present yourself in that doorway, while your flashing your fancy light around, that very same second while you are still trying to size up the room and find the target you will be taking fire. even if it is pitch darkness and your light is destroying my nightvision i am just going to let off full auto right in the direction of the source of that light. and if i know what i'm doing i will have one eye closed and then switch eyes as soon as you turn off that light. if your still standing that is. house clearing is very quick business. when one force goes into a room onto an opposing force its usually all over in about 2 maybe 3 seconds max. its an instinctive thing you have to train for, fuck your lights lighting you up like a christmas tree. cause guaranteed by the time a christmas tree has appeared in a doorway and turned to aim at a target the target would have put 3 rounds in him already.

i mean there are instances where a light comes in crucial to operations, but none that i can think of where it being mounted on a gun would be better. i would rather flash a torch around the doorway prior to entering if anything. but then the stun grenade is always going to do a much better job.

and btw, you don't need to fuck our navy. we've done a good enough job of that ourselves.

Why do you keep blathering on and on about "operations" and stun grenades?

Civilians can't get stun grenades and there is not really any situation where a civilian would be able to use them.

However having a light on a home defense firearm is not only advantageous, it is crucial in identifying threats and non-threats.

[is all mememememe with me]

Originally Posted by 5.56 SS109

Why do you keep blathering on and on about "operations" and stun grenades?

Civilians can't get stun grenades and there is not really any situation where a civilian would be able to use them.

However having a light on a home defense firearm is not only advantageous, it is crucial in identifying threats and non-threats.

plz, don't ban me again

[Rolf]

Originally Posted by is all mememememe with me

plz, don't ban me again

Please don't be stupid liar again, asks Rolf.

[is all mememememe with me]

Originally Posted by Rolf

Please don't be stupid liar again, asks Rolf.

liar?? about what?

[The Pat-Man]

Originally Posted by Rolf

This is why tanks and APC's should be used to crush any resistance fighters (and their women and children) hiding in huts or buildings, proclaims Rolf.

rolf clearly understands the fine art of armored warfare.

[Irukanji]

Originally Posted by Rolf

Please don't be stupid liar again, states Rolf.

Fixed.

[Rolf]

Originally Posted by The Pat-Man

rolf clearly understands the fine art of armored warfare.

If one did not care for civilians, most practical action would be to destroy hut with helicopter gunship or ground attack aircraft, but to state this it did not sound as good as intimidating a message of seeing next door neighbour's house and guts of their children decorating tracks, states Rolf.

[The Pat-Man]

you'll get no argument from me.

[mizled]

Japanese WW II Nambu 8mm Type 14.
It would discharge from squeezing the sear.

[Rolf]

Originally Posted by mizled

Japanese WW II Nambu 8mm Type 14.
It would discharge from squeezing the sear.

Rolf agrees, agrees Rolf. Also Japanese WWII shin gunto (officer's swords), needlessly mass produced by a country that is already low on resources, adds Rolf.

[p6867]

Originally Posted by is all mememememe with me

this is what stun grenades are for. its the only real advantage the clearer has over the dweller.

what you all seem to fail to understand is that when clearing a room you have to assume that there are one or more hostiles and that they know you are coming. you can't assume they don't. this means that as soon as you present yourself in that doorway, while your flashing your fancy light around, that very same second while you are still trying to size up the room and find the target you will be taking fire. even if it is pitch darkness and your light is destroying my nightvision i am just going to let off full auto right in the direction of the source of that light. and if i know what i'm doing i will have one eye closed and then switch eyes as soon as you turn off that light. if your still standing that is. house clearing is very quick business. when one force goes into a room onto an opposing force its usually all over in about 2 maybe 3 seconds max. its an instinctive thing you have to train for, fuck your lights lighting you up like a christmas tree. cause guaranteed by the time a christmas tree has appeared in a doorway and turned to aim at a target the target would have put 3 rounds in him already.

i mean there are instances where a light comes in crucial to operations, but none that i can think of where it being mounted on a gun would be better. i would rather flash a torch around the doorway prior to entering if anything. but then the stun grenade is always going to do a much better job.

and btw, you don't need to fuck our navy. we've done a good enough job of that ourselves.

I'll have a light on my weapon every time i don't have nightvision thank you very much.

Originally Posted by p6867

Had a longer version of this post typed up earlier which i felt gave a more complete view, but the internet ate it, so i bare bonesed this one because i didn't feel like retyping it all, (it was long)

For lighting in a room clearance scenario, I've always found that quickly snapping a light on when oriented at probable targets, followed by quick deliberate movements to another source of cover in darkness is ideal. I have a dark red filter on my lens, so it does not completely fry my nightvision, and it flips off, if i do need a standard bright, white LED light. I keep the light off, enter the room, fast, methodical sweep, and click the light on when i see an approximately human silhouette. If hostile, fire, quickly move away from the bright, easily targeted muzzle flashes someone else is aiming at now.
Rinse. Repeat.

I'll have a light so i don't kill one of my friends who has a key to my house and came over to sleep after a fight with the wife and is crashing on my couch not wanting to wake me up. CQC as a civilian and as a professional are very different things. Take some courses, learn more.

[popo!]

AR 10: The barrel had a nasty habbit of exploding. 7.62x51 FMJ + Aluminum = BAD

[roasted]

Originally Posted by popo!

AR 10: The barrel had a nasty habbit of exploding. 7.62x51 FMJ + Aluminum = BAD

necro bump huh?

Anyways, AR-10=win. Its a fucking animal.

5.56 is retarded for posting the 1911...


and I'd like to give an honorable mention to the Panzerfaust.





It was a novel idea for 1943, but the effective range was ridiculous and it wasnt man-portable...not to mention the projectile speed was only like 70 mph (compare that to the projectile speed of an RPG-7). It was a beast if you could use it, but you couldnt use it. Therefore the Panzerfaust=fail.

[5.56 SS109]

Excuse me for disliking $1200 pistols that need $400 worth of gunsmith reach arounds and $55 magazines to work.

[FNIC]

A good light has an extreme value. The dumb ass saying doing things like that in the field is a no no made me laugh. Those lights are made to temp blind someone when flashed in the eye givinnhg you a chance to kill them even if they already have their firearm positioned on you. Also being able to see in the dark in a survival situation is key.

[roasted]

Yes, a pistol that has been in military and police service for 100 years must really suck. Can you name another pistol with a longer service life? No you cant because it doesnt exist.

$55 mag? Anyone who pays that much is retarded. You can buy factory built mags for $20-30 from any major 1911 manufacturer.

Can you spend $1200 on a 1911? Yes. But you easily spend that much on any custom built pistol. Just like any other gun, you get what you pay for. FYI....they also make bare bones and entry level 1911 in the $400-500 range

EDIT: A $1200 1911 doesnt need any gunsmith work. It should already have a match grade trigger, extended beaver tail, ambidextrous safeties, etc etc.

[5.56 SS109]

The Browning P35 has seen way more action than the 1911.

I would bet that the CZ75 has too.

The 1911 is a poor choice for a pistol to be manufactured by today's processes. Back when the 1911 was designed pistols were individually fitted by craftsmen, its designed does lend itself well to mass production and parts bin type assembly.

It is a severely outdated design that did the job is was meant to do in the era it was meant to do it in.

Even the best made 1911 in the world will not exceed the accuracy and reliability as a pistol mass produced by H&K.

1911s are poop.

[Ph0x]

A 1911 is a thinking mans pistol.

I've never had a problem with one because I know what to expect of it.

[mizled]

This:



is the worlds worst weapon.

No sights, won't feed hollow points, fte's every third round, and the trigger doesn't engage until the last 1/16th inch of travel into the frame.

I'd dump it, but I can't find anyone that I dislike enough to sell it to.

[tomjonesa22]

I have a colt 1911 cost me almost 1000 lol it can't pick uP 8 rounds from the mags so I load it with 7. I'd have to spend 28-35 for a Wilson combat mag that would actually work. It has more jams from failing to feed. I took it out last week for the first time in 2 months it Jammed twice in 50 Rounds. Not tO mention all the hex screws on the grip and sights loosen as I fire it. If it wasn't so iconic I'd trade it in for a fn fnx 45. I agree with 5.56 it's a cool gun but it has it's hiccups.

[jheit8]

Originally Posted by mizled

This:



is the worlds worst weapon.

No sights, won't feed hollow points, fte's every third round, and the trigger doesn't engage until the last 1/16th inch of travel into the frame.

I'd dump it, but I can't find anyone that I dislike enough to sell it to.

And it's fucking ugggly too.


I'd say the Gyrojet is the world's worst weapon. Inaccurate, poorly made, horrifically expensive ammo, and not even all that good at putting holes in people.

My review of the MBA Gyrojet 12mm rocket pistol - YouTube

My review of the MBA Gyrojet 12mm rocket pistol - YouTube
Video: click to display

[mizled]

Originally Posted by jheit8

And it's fucking ugggly too.

Ain't it though? It looks like the result of a hipoint fucking a glock in the ass.
Result:
Intratec Cat 9

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Gyrojets just look so - Buck Rogers..

[Haiti's Space Agency]

Originally Posted by mizled

This:



is the worlds worst weapon.

No sights, won't feed hollow points, fte's every third round, and the trigger doesn't engage until the last 1/16th inch of travel into the frame.

I'd dump it, but I can't find anyone that I dislike enough to sell it to.

Will you ship it to me?

[944]

Originally Posted by popo!

AR 10: The barrel had a nasty habbit of exploding. 7.62x51 FMJ + Aluminum = BAD

What? the barrel/chamber is steel, and the aluminum receiver it's attached should be every bit as strong as a stamped steel receiver

[popo!]

^ The first prototypes used a aluminum/steel composite barrel that would often burst under the pressure of repeated fire. It was later replaced with a steel barrel but the project was shit canned. Of course I am referring to the original pre M16 AR10, not the modern versions or post 1956 models. I apologize for posting photograph of a later variant, these are the photos I should have posted.

[popo!]

Originally Posted by jheit8

I'd say the Gyrojet is the world's worst weapon. Inaccurate, poorly made, horrifically expensive ammo, and not even all that good at putting holes in people.

My review of the MBA Gyrojet 12mm rocket pistol - YouTube

LOL I remember those from "You Only Live Twice" ha. i watched a review of one as I was entregued by your post, apparently if you placed your finger in front of the barrel, you could prevent the rocket from exiting the pistol with no bodily harm. The rocket only reaches full penetration speed at 20yds, which is well beyond it's accuracy limitdue to it's lack of rifling and short barrel.

Me thinks these gyrojets would make an excellent game of potentially leathal paintball. It would be quite a rush wondering if you are beyond the safe zone while engaging your friends in faux combat.