Has your exposure to the upper class and it's benefits made you jaded towards success

[p6867]

Originally Posted by Nachismo

What motivates you?

The part with the 100k dollar cars, yachts, power and influence seems pretty amazing. But more importantly, i don't want my kids to ever HAVE to work. I want them to be able to do what drives them, to be able to focus on their passions.
There's a song called Dark as a Dungeon which has a line that fits very well
'Theres many a man, i've seen in my day,
that lived just to labor his whole life away'
Working and the accumulation of wealth is empty, but to exist in modern society with the conveniences of it, I need income. I want to leave my children in a position where they can enjoy life, but hopefully raise them in a way that doesnt turn them into spoiled little shits just existing in a world of oppulence.
Also, if i work harder than most i can enjoy rewards most don't. Most people will never know what it feels like to do cocaine with a nude model in their ferrari or yacht. I bet my boss does and i bet it feels awesome.
I grew up on a farm, extremely rural poor, so i'm used to working really long hours. I just put that same work ethic into my education and now the job that my education afforded me. I didn't go to school for business or anything like that, but I had an entry level job with this company in college and in the last couple years they've started giving me a decent amount of money because i work hard and solve problems.
My immediate boss is getting promoted in 2 years when our merger with our partner company is done, and his boss has told me i'll have his job. that'll pay like 150k or so. 10 years from then, i'll have his bosses job which pays millions, unless something very radical happens to my life. I can't think of a better feeling than being able to pay for my parent's retirement, to have my kids not have to worry about paying rent, the stress of not being able to afford both food and bills. My kids will never know that.

[Tachosomoza]

At least p6 is honest. I actually think most of those fuckers buy that bullshit they try to sell about doing something beneficial and helping people. Influence, wealth and power over others' lives, that's their motivator. Fuck everyone else.

[Jerk.]

I absolutely have no sympathy towards the majority of the poor.

I grew up well off, not mega rich though. Currently have 2 children and a wife who I solely support, on below average wage (while training). I read in the papers recently about people who earn more than me being unable to feed their children while sharing a house with another family. This is so retarded. I can not only feed my children, but live in a 3 bedroom house with yard, by ourselves (with internet/phone) while saving 100-200 a week NOT including savings for planned expenses such as dentist, doctor, car maintenance (I have two), unpaid sick days from work. I have a decent net worth including cash, which was all made solely on my own via savings.

I definitely believe the vast majority of poor people bring it upon themselves via their decisions. Most people are too greedy to sacrifice anything for their future, this includes buying cigarettes, alcohol and fast food (all of which I enjoy or have enjoyed) which they view as a right

I currently work with someone who earns almost double what I do. He has one child. He finds it difficult to buy groceries every week let alone save any money for future expenses. What a fucking loser. Don't tell me this fucker is hard done by.

Everyone chooses their own destiny, if you want to be a greedy loser for the rest of your life, fine by me. But don't pretend it's not your fault.

[slicknickns]

No, it's encouraged it

[Malice]

Originally Posted by Jerk.

I absolutely have no sympathy towards the majority of the poor.

I grew up well off, not mega rich though. Currently have 2 children and a wife who I solely support, on below average wage (while training). I read in the papers recently about people who earn more than me being unable to feed their children while sharing a house with another family. This is so retarded. I can not only feed my children, but live in a 3 bedroom house with yard, by ourselves (with internet/phone) while saving 100-200 a week NOT including savings for planned expenses such as dentist, doctor, car maintenance (I have two), unpaid sick days from work. I have a decent net worth including cash, which was all made solely on my own via savings.

I definitely believe the vast majority of poor people bring it upon themselves via their decisions. Most people are too greedy to sacrifice anything for their future, this includes buying cigarettes, alcohol and fast food (all of which I enjoy or have enjoyed) which they view as a right

I currently work with someone who earns almost double what I do. He has one child. He finds it difficult to buy groceries every week let alone save any money for future expenses. What a fucking loser. Don't tell me this fucker is hard done by.

Everyone chooses their own destiny, if you want to be a greedy loser for the rest of your life, fine by me. But don't pretend it's not your fault.

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/...y_conscie.html

Right-wingers should spend a lot more time reading left-wing ethnography of the poor. It may seem strange, but when leftist social scientists actually talk to and observe the poor, they confirm the stereotypes of the harshest Victorian. Poverty isn't about money; it's a state of mind. That state of mind is low conscientiousness.

[dysik]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

At least p6 is honest. I actually think most of those fuckers buy that bullshit they try to sell about doing something beneficial and helping people. Influence, wealth and power over others' lives, that's their motivator. Fuck everyone else.

.... you arent even honest with yourself. you dont work because your a lazy motherfucker who likes to sit on zoklet all day and collects benefits.

you can try and rationalise some reason about not "slaving yourself out to the MAN" but its pretty evident to everyone on the site that your just a lazy cunt. tbh your a bit of a joke here, im not sure if you realise nobody takes you seriously...

[Sleep Is A Curse]

I mean, yes and no. Growing up, both my parents were making six-figure salaries and I had whatever I wanted. I didn't quite understand the significance of money because I never had to worry about it. Now I'm going through tough times financially because I can't find employment. I'd gladly give up my leisure time to be making 6 figures myself.

Don't get me wrong, few people want money just to have it. They usually want it because of the security and ease that comes with having it. If I could live a six figure lifestyle without it, I would.

[Tachosomoza]

Originally Posted by dysik

.... you arent even honest with yourself. you dont work because your a lazy motherfucker who likes to sit on zoklet all day and collects benefits.

you can try and rationalise some reason about not "slaving yourself out to the MAN" but its pretty evident to everyone on the site that your just a lazy cunt. tbh your a bit of a joke here, im not sure if you realise nobody takes you seriously...

[Shrike]

[dephdiddy]

2030 earlier than previously thought, but
fiat system bound to make us pay for what ain't bought, huh

anyway.

I grew up having the average play things and systems that middle class kids did.
But I watched my parental figure work his was from a small position to a large one.
so big money or not, I saw what stability and sacrifice meant.
it meant he traded his time and money for those momentary smiles and I learned
more from watching him than listening.
That's invaluable, but yes, it did make me jaded.... I don't care how much money a family makes.
Instilling values are priceless and I don't view people that way.

[moron]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

The OP is biased too, he equates a lifestyle centred around rapacious greed with "success".

i read that as a commentary on "status quo" which he's trying to get away from

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

At least p6 is honest]

isn't p6 a private military contractor?

[Tachosomoza]

He was. Making sure your progeny never has to suffer financially because they've got blood money earned by contributing to the suffering of others seems pretty American to me.

[Malice]

"Socialism is not an alternative to capitalism; it is an alternative to any system under which men can live as human beings." ~ Ludwig von Mises

[chilldo]

Originally Posted by Rude Louis

My exposure to the rich and upper class proved to me: The rich are mostly deluded fools.

Like Akagi said, the rich are insulated from reality. They think they know what it's like to "have little". I've had some rich kids tell me their parents make the kids "work" for their money.

Mother fucker, I worked and got nothing to show for it. My father barely gave me $2 a day for a public school lunch that cost $3.50. Do you know how to make that money stretch rich kid?

They actually think that they know what it's like not to have money. They actually think people are poor because they choose not to work hard. They actually think life is fair and everyone has the same chance at birth.

So yeah, I'm disillusioned towards success, because success is basically being born into the lucky sperm club. Some are, some are not. That's the way it's always been. But I'll tell you this:

Winning the DNA lottery, that's all we've got. If not money, at least some of us won a few genes for wits and intelligence. And here we are on a website that the general public is oblivious to. Talking about subjects the general public has no concept of. Most of us started doing this when we found Totse years ago.

I'd say we're all a bit successful for that. And rich people will never be able to take that away from us.

my family started out poor, hell i didnt even get $2 for lunch, i got a juice box and 2 pieces of bread with a slice of salami in between. for 10 years.

why didnt you just save your $2 a day up and go to the grocery store?

luckily my dad put money into an education fund for my siblings and i.

yet im the only one who made something out of my education. my siblings are doing fuck all. i think it has something to do with winning the DNA lottery like you said but i think my DNA has given me the ability to work hard at something while alot of my peers dont understand/apply the concept of delayed gratification.

[BungHole]

My family doesn't have much money, but we get by. My mom works this weird job that involves sorting through other people's trash. A few months back I was helping her at work, and I came across a few stale, old cigars. I also make my own liquor. After mashing, fermenting, and distilling it all by hand, I let it sit on oak for several months.

Tonight I sat down to a snifter full of five month old rye whiskey, a slightly stale Cohiba cigarillo, and looked out across my weed and trash ridden yard. I also recently got a job making $9 an hour and working 20 hours a week. Personally, I feel like I'm balling in every way possible.

[Proots]

I don't aspire to be rich or great. I simply aspire to be comfortable. Some people say this is settling for mediocrity - but, really, it's the simple things in life that I enjoy. Good food, good books, friends, a roof over my head. Little luxuries.

I grew up in a lower-middle class setting, since both my parents were immigrants. I remember, I made friends with these kids that went to a private school. I'm still friends with them to this day - but, all of their friends were so rich, I remember feeling uncomfortable and nervous when I was over at their houses. They all had everything they wanted, but they were all so selfish, vapid and hollow.

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by moron

i read that as a commentary on "status quo" which he's trying to get away from



isn't p6 a private military contractor?

p6 works for Blackwater or a similar organization. The cocaine would fit anyways - I've heard first-hand accounts of people seeing Blackwater security personnel kicked off their security detail for having things like cocaine, anabolic steroids, and illegal automatic weapons.



Edit: Not talking shit on being a mercenary mind. Morality aside, that is in the top 5 most awesome jobs you could ever say you have, ever.

[p6867]

Originally Posted by DR.PAPADROPADOCALOPALIS

p6 works for Blackwater or a similar organization. The cocaine would fit anyways - I've heard first-hand accounts of people seeing Blackwater security personnel kicked off their security detail for having things like cocaine, anabolic steroids, and illegal automatic weapons.



Edit: Not talking shit on being a mercenary mind. Morality aside, that is in the top 5 most awesome jobs you could ever say you have, ever.

I worked off and on for a while, but I don't do security work anymore. The PMC i worked for turned me down for the better paying position i wanted and around that time the job I had in college gave me a huge promotion, where it no longer made sense to continue to be shot at for money. I work in the business world now and part time I teach a small unit light infantry tactics program for mainly local law enforcement and civilians a few times a month.
If your job required you to be in peak physical condition, not doing steroids would be stupid of you btw and depending on the job, automatic weapons can be totally legal.

[dephdiddy]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

He was. Making sure your progeny never has to suffer financially because they've got blood money earned by contributing to the suffering of others seems pretty American to me.

Shut the fuck up commie, Europeans came here with a vision, not some watered down concept of old barbarian communism. The blood sweat and dreams poured into this nation runs through our veins. It's not something that can be curtailed by your stupid ass big words. Your people were tragically mistreated and used as farm implements, something that often makes me ponder what part of man did not understand that all animals ( I mean all humans, don't go hitting your Ku-Klux button, Gotoneeye Joe) inherently yearn for freedom. That still boggles me. I know that slavery was justified with Christianity and simple economics, but I do wonder how many blue eyeds felt like there were disgraceful violations. But from a practical point, it makes sense. As much as we don't want it to, honestly, it does. But why dwell and beat ourselves up, shall we sit around with sloppy teared faces all day. Fuck no, there's shit to do, but UH OH your entire philosophy is haulting evolution and your so full of your own shit you don't even SEE it.
So kick rocks. It's not better or worse, it's just we're on some exclusive
Tom Petty "YOUUU DON'T KNOW HOW IT FEEEEEEEELS" shit.

Hoveround pirate ass muhfucka.

[Tachosomoza]

You're bored again, aren't you? Go spraypaint a train or something. Keep fucking with me and I'm going to feed you your intestine.

[dephdiddy]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

You're bored again, aren't you? Go spraypaint a train or something. Keep fucking with me and I'm going to feed you your intestine.

I'm too square nowadays to run yards alone. Being growed up and caring about consequences sucks. But I still savor the sweet licorice smell of old krylon FLAT BLACK hitting a rusty piece of metal. Thanks for asking bruh.
I am bored though. Change of pace. Do you think some whites felt guilty or showed empathy in the exchange and sales process? I know stories of nicer plantation owners but I do wonder if they still deep down felt empathy or shame.
Always got me.



(I'm sorry this turned into race but this is honestly the only sincere question i have for Tach and I'll leave him alone)

Apologies. I'll take my infractions like the half a man I wanna be.

[Akagi]

Originally Posted by Shrike

"It's like a drug. Wearing these glasses gets you high, but you come down hard."

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

I do work for myself.

Which is more then anyone can say for Malice, that goddamned welfare cheat.

[Tachosomoza]

Lol, Malice is on SSI. None of that under pure capitalism.

[Malice]

"Ideology: Democratic Socialist"

But...your kind enables me.

[Edge]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

None of that under pure capitalism.

They call it Anarcho-capitalism or Right Libertarianism these days.

[Malice]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

Lol, Malice is on SSI. None of that under pure capitalism.

People can't voluntarily help each other?

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[Tachosomoza]

Nobody would voluntarily help you. As a matter of fact they'd probably shoot you.

[Jerk.]

Originally Posted by dysik

they dont pay you that much because you have a risk of dying you tragic little fuck. they pay you cause its fucking hard work in a mine pit which is 60 degrees celcius, covered in red dirt and dust. for 12 hours a day. i cbf looking up the figures but the amount of health and safety regulations on any mine site here is fucking CHOKING PRODUCTIVITY. believe me its ridiculous i wont get into it.

its called hard work, modern civilization was built on top of it. in past days we would have thrown lazy fucking cripples like you off cliffs as an offering to the gods.

Actually they generally sacrificed well people. Cripples like Tacho would just be discarded because they are not worthy of the Gods' appeasement.

[The Pat-Man]

Originally Posted by Jerk.

Actually they generally sacrificed well people. Cripples like Tacho would just be discarded because they are not worthy of the Gods' appeasement.

are we in pagan europe or pagan north america?

[Bobitis]

I grew up in what most people would call a wealthy environment. Before they retired my parents were bringing home about £200k+ a year between them. Then there was my aunt who had about £2.5 million in the bank from marriage (or gold digging ).

As a kid its awesome, you go on cool holidays to nice places and you get most of the things you ask for on Christmas and birthdays. Whether it's disillusioned me or not I couldn't say because i haven't lived a 'poor' childhood.

But I'm probably lucky in that despite having the money to do so, my parents didn't send me to private schools. School is where you become who you are in my opinion and going to state schools meant I wasn't exposed to the upper classes as much and I'd say I'm fairly well grounded.

I'm earning about £18k a year now I've moved out and I find it no problem at all to live on that amount. That said I am always looking for something else with more money and especially trying to make a career out of computing.

But then you have my sister who I think enjoys that lifestyle more than me. She's always buying expensive clothes and got a brand new Mini as her first car while mine was and still is a £250 banger. She's also trying to marry someone rich and is currently with an investment banker guy who I hate

I think having money does affect you, it just depends on how much of that lifestyle you've been exposed to and how much you pet it get to you.