"Vigilante" Conspiracy Question...

[Proots]

This does not involve me. So, please do not ask or imply that it does in this thread. This is a strictly hypothetical situation.

Let's just say - that a man was arrested and convicted for rape. Twice. Now, he gets out after a long stint in prison and is given a second chance. Now, here is where things get complicated.

This man...so, I don't have to keep saying "this man" we'll refer to the guy as Mike. Now, Mike has been free for a while and commits three more rapes. Here is where things get tricky.

He rapes two more women and gets away with it. The third woman he rapes is a very near and dear friend. The police gather evidence and it becomes clear that he raped the first two women. Before they issue his warrant for the third rape, he is murdered.

After he is murdered he is also tied to the third rape of a close friend. We'll say that three individuals were involved in this murder. One individual is a brother to the woman who was raped. The other is a cousin and the other is a friend.

A length of cord and a crowbar were both used in conjunction during this murder. The length of cord was destroyed. Months after the murder, a series of bizarre coincidences and carelessness allowed this crowbar to be found and fall into the hands of the police.

Since this man is a rapist his DNA is already on file. Let's assume there is blood on it. It is only a matter of time before the police discover that this crowbar is connected to this missing rapist.

His body will never be found.

Now, in this situation - do the parties involved in the supposed murder have anything to fear? Let's assume the entire murder act was 100 percent premeditated and it will be very easy to prove that.

What charges are these three looking at? I know life isn't a movie - but, is it possible to put a good spin on this? Is there any hope at all?

[Bradley]

First Degree Pre Meditated Manslaughter, 1 or 2 of them might get plea bargains and just be charged as conspirators.

The police if they have a crowbar would obviously check it for blood. How did the police assume control of it? That's pretty relevant.

Once they find the rapists blood on the crowbar, since he's a felon, they will know it is his. Again to hwo the police got it, did one of the murders own it? If the owner of the crowbar can be directly proved to have known the rapist (You said one of the murderer's sisters was raped and the the girl was also a cousin or something) The police have concluded that the dead man did rape that girl, so if the girl's family member had a crowbar with the rapist's blood and now the rapist is dead...

You tell me, Midge. Do you think it'd be hard to get a few Ph. Ds do string along an arrest warrant even without a body?

[Bradley]

Minimal they'll be investigating for is a case of kidnapping, then they'll start going after the body's resting place. Best of luck to you, hope no one rolls on one another that shit can get nasty when the pigs tell you your family member is in the other room written a book about you.

[Proots]

Originally Posted by BradleyB93

First Degree Pre Meditated Manslaughter, 1 or 2 of them might get plea bargains and just be charged as conspirators.

There will be no plea. Of this, I am certain. If investigated further - and, if the hammer falls - one of the three is going to soak up all charges and claim sole responsibility.

Originally Posted by BradleyB93

The police if they have a crowbar would obviously check it for blood. How did the police assume control of it? That's pretty relevant.

While this may seem simple, the circumstances surrounding it are actually pretty bizarre. Stupidly, it was left in plain sight of a river, on a bike trail. Now, the person who forgot it there immediately remembered and went back.

When he arrived to the location two bikers were already standing there. Now, they weren't looking at the crowbar, they just happened to be there looking at the river. It's a simple looking black crowbar - that unfortunately, is caked with "debris".

The man who went to retrieve the crowbar noticed this - and, before he could hide, they noticed him. They didn't say anything, as it's just two strangers crossing paths with another on the bike trail.

His reasoning was that he wasn't thinking clearly, after all that had happened - so, I guess I gotta cut him some slack. But, he was supposedly worried that they would spot it, so he simply walked up and picked it up. They didn't say anything.

As fate would have it - these two bikers were robbed, moments later. Since he was the last person they saw, they gave the police his description. On his one hour ride home from the city he was pulled over and arrested.

The police took everything in his car that even looked remotely suspicious. They released him shortly after, giving back all his possessions.

Except the crowbar.

He was then visited by a detective and a regular city cop who asked questions concerning the blood on it and what it was for. He stayed mum and now, we are where we are right now.

Originally Posted by BradleyB93

Once they find the rapists blood on the crowbar, since he's a felon, they will know it is his. Again to hwo the police got it, did one of the murders own it? If the owner of the crowbar can be directly proved to have known the rapist (You said one of the murderer's sisters was raped and the the girl was also a cousin or something) The police have concluded that the dead man did rape that girl, so if the girl's family member had a crowbar with the rapist's blood and now the rapist is dead...

Neither of the three murders had any sort of relationship or intimate knowledge of the rapist. The third girl who was raped, her brother - her cousin and another gentleman are involved in this "conspiracy".

Like you said, since he is a convicted felon they already have his DNA on file. Which means, very shortly it will become clear that the blood on the crowbar is indeed his.

Let's assume, that the body will never be found. Ever. Not even in pieces. Can this still move forward, provided all three of the responsible parties stay quiet?

[Proots]

In other words, the question the police are basically going to ask will probably sound a little something like this :

"Why is the blood of a man you don't know, who is currently missing, on this crowbar that we found in your possession?"

How far can one go with that?

[Bradley]

I guess you'll find out.

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by Proots

There will be no plea. Of this, I am certain. If investigated further - and, if the hammer falls - one of the three is going to soak up all charges and claim sole responsibility.



While this may seem simple, the circumstances surrounding it are actually pretty bizarre. Stupidly, it was left in plain sight of a river, on a bike trail. Now, the person who forgot it there immediately remembered and went back.

When he arrived to the location two bikers were already standing there. Now, they weren't looking at the crowbar, they just happened to be there looking at the river. It's a simple looking black crowbar - that unfortunately, is caked with "debris".

The man who went to retrieve the crowbar noticed this - and, before he could hide, they noticed him. They didn't say anything, as it's just two strangers crossing paths with another on the bike trail.

His reasoning was that he wasn't thinking clearly, after all that had happened - so, I guess I gotta cut him some slack. But, he was supposedly worried that they would spot it, so he simply walked up and picked it up. They didn't say anything.

As fate would have it - these two bikers were robbed, moments later. Since he was the last person they saw, they gave the police his description. On his one hour ride home from the city he was pulled over and arrested.

The police took everything in his car that even looked remotely suspicious. They released him shortly after, giving back all his possessions.

Except the crowbar.

YOU ARE FUCKED!~!~!~!~!~

Originally Posted by Proots

Neither of the three murders had any sort of relationship or intimate knowledge of the rapist. The third girl who was raped, her brother - her cousin and another gentleman are involved in this "conspiracy".

Like you said, since he is a convicted felon they already have his DNA on file. Which means, very shortly it will become clear that the blood on the crowbar is indeed his.

Let's assume, that the body will never be found. Ever. Not even in pieces. Can this still move forward, provided all three of the responsible parties stay quiet?

They're not just going to leave you alone after this. Why did he go grab the crowbar? How much "debris" was on it? obviously the police saw it.

[bortmackie]

Well if they were gathering evidence on the rapes committed by the person before he was murdered, they'd probably figure out quickly who would have a motive to kill this person. Therefore i imagine that they could come up with the culprits pretty easily. Why didn't the people in question consider this beforehand? It seems pretty obvious that if a rapist was murdered, it was probably someone connected to a rape victim who committed it.

[Iehovah]

This whole story smells stupid, particularly the part about the bikers.

Assuming bullshit: It is blatantly obvious that the bikers fingered the guy for the robbery when they were never actually robbed, giving the cops either a license # or the make/model of the car. It doesn't really make sense that they would do this, unless they claimed the theft of something that was insured.

Of course the crowbar was kept. It might have been a weapon, and your buddy isn't going back for it.

Now, assuming ferrealz, there's nothing bizarre about it. Bikers aren't stupid, they know shit's up when some fuckhead comes by to pick up a discarded crowbar, and they know when the cops search the car and grab the crowbar dumbshit "robbed" them with, dumbshit can't actually say *anything* about the crowbar, or he will be up shit creek.

Assuming legitness: Unless your buddy was a fucking moron and left blood on the crowbar when he dumped it off by the river, there's nothing to worry about. If he was that stupid, he deserves to go to jail, and you with him for being friends with such a fucking idiot. DerpNA? Jesus.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

Originally Posted by Proots

for rape. Twice.

[Proots]

Originally Posted by BradleyB93

YOU ARE FUCKED!~!~!~!~!~

Then, in this situation - what's the worst those involved could expect? What's the best?

Originally Posted by BradleyB93

They're not just going to leave you alone after this. Why did he go grab the crowbar? How much "debris" was on it? obviously the police saw it.

He claimed he wasn't thinking clearly. His first thought was to get it and make sure it was disposed of properly - where no one would see him dispose of it. It would have been suspicious of him to cast it into the lake at that moment, but, then again, he could have just waited.

No matter, though. What's done, is done.

There is enough debris on it, I imagine, to gather enough evidence that it was at the very least, around the rapist. Regardless, the crux of this whole problem is the body. There is no murder without a body, correct?

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by Proots

Then, in this situation - what's the worst those involved could expect? What's the best?

People have gotten murder charges without a body, they will look extensively for it. But they could go on without it.

You'll also get obstruction if they can prove you're lying.

None of this is legal advice btw.

[Proots]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

This whole story smells stupid, particularly the part about the bikers.

That's because that's all it is. A story.

Originally Posted by Iehovah

Assuming bullshit: It is blatantly obvious that the bikers fingered the guy for the robbery when they were never actually robbed, giving the cops either a license # or the make/model of the car. It doesn't really make sense that they would do this, unless they claimed the theft of something that was insured.

This is the thing, from what I gather - there were very few people on the bike trail at that time of day. He didn't rob them, but he was fingered because he was the last person to be around them and was obviously doing suspicious shit.

Originally Posted by Iehovah

Now, assuming ferrealz, there's nothing bizarre about it. Bikers aren't stupid, they know shit's up when some fuckhead comes by to pick up a discarded crowbar, and they know when the cops search the car and grab the crowbar dumbshit "robbed" them with, dumbshit can't actually say *anything* about the crowbar, or he will be up shit creek.

Assuming legitness: Unless your buddy was a fucking moron and left blood on the crowbar when he dumped it off by the river, there's nothing to worry about. If he was that stupid, he deserves to go to jail, and you with him for being friends with such a fucking idiot. DerpNA? Jesus.

The people involved are obviously going to assume the worst, that way when it comes they're prepared. I imagine the police are at least going to find something.