Don't ever take methadone.

[IWD]

I'm going to keep this short and simple.

This isn't simply a subjective case do to the variables surrounding me and my life. Methadone treatment and the people that control it do not put the quality of your life above all. They want to keep you controlled to benefit society as a whole, and most of all, to make money whether directly or indirectly.

NO ONE needs to be on several hundred mg's of methadone per day.. but they will let you go up to that if you want.. you know why? BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN'T GET OFF OF IT and they can monitor you for the rest of your life. No one should need to take it every single day, in fact, most could probably get by with taking it once per 3 days.. but they want you to take it every day.. why? Because a lot of drug users are stupid, and they pull the wool over their eyes. I questioned my methadone doctor on a couple of things and he FLIPPED THE FUCK OUT.. he was literally in a rage, because I questioned him about whether or not he benefits at all whenever my dosage is increased. Needless to say, he wouldn't answer the question.

Just deal with the 5 days of acute withdrawal everyone. Or keep using. Both are better than being on a monitored methadone program & having to drive x distance every single day, and pissing in a cup on camera twice a week while whoever is working has to watch your dick the whole time so there's no urine tampering.

It's built around corrupt principles. Is methadone a bad drug? No. Is the system in which the government uses it evil and damaging to your life? ABSOLUTELY. Are there people who could benefit from this program? Probably, but it's pretty bad when I have to answer "probably" instead of "definitely" when considering whether or not ONE person in the world might benefit from this program. Actually, sure, some might.. but the odds are that society benefits from the collective amount of methadone patients, and nearly all if not all of the patients are being mislead in regards to the true nature of the methadone programs.

It's fucking dangerous and they are lying to everyone that's on it.. at least indirectly.

[kroz]

its up to the user themselves if they want to get off of it.. people do it all the time..

a lot of people like being addicted to drugs.. and a lot of people like making money..

[Ghost Buster]

Rules to quitting opiates:

1. Do not substitute your opiate addiction for another opiate addiction
2. Cold turkey is probably your best bet

That is all.

[Doki66]

Originally Posted by IWD

I'm going to keep this short and simple.

This isn't simply a subjective case do to the variables surrounding me and my life. Methadone treatment and the people that control it do not put the quality of your life above all. They want to keep you controlled to benefit society as a whole, and most of all, to make money whether directly or indirectly.

NO ONE needs to be on several hundred mg's of methadone per day.. but they will let you go up to that if you want.. you know why? BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN'T GET OFF OF IT and they can monitor you for the rest of your life. No one should need to take it every single day, in fact, most could probably get by with taking it once per 3 days.. but they want you to take it every day.. why? Because a lot of drug users are stupid, and they pull the wool over their eyes. I questioned my methadone doctor on a couple of things and he FLIPPED THE FUCK OUT.. he was literally in a rage, because I questioned him about whether or not he benefits at all whenever my dosage is increased. Needless to say, he wouldn't answer the question.

Just deal with the 5 days of acute withdrawal everyone. Or keep using. Both are better than being on a monitored methadone program & having to drive x distance every single day, and pissing in a cup on camera twice a week while whoever is working has to watch your dick the whole time so there's no urine tampering.

It's built around corrupt principles. Is methadone a bad drug? No. Is the system in which the government uses it evil and damaging to your life? ABSOLUTELY. Are there people who could benefit from this program? Probably, but it's pretty bad when I have to answer "probably" instead of "definitely" when considering whether or not ONE person in the world might benefit from this program. Actually, sure, some might.. but the odds are that society benefits from the collective amount of methadone patients, and nearly all if not all of the patients are being mislead in regards to the true nature of the methadone programs.

It's fucking dangerous and they are lying to everyone that's on it.. at least indirectly.

Motha fucka just be happy u be getting methadone nigga they ain't even gotta muthafuckin methadone clinic where I live essay. Dis nigga be trippin homes.

[fuckbiscuit]

Methadone treatment is fucking useless, seen way to many people get sucked down that hole never to come out again.

[stoner oxy80]

i went with suboxone instead of methadone, one strip a day but i try to just use 6 mgs a day.

[( )]

Originally Posted by fuckbiscuit

Methadone treatment is fucking useless, seen way to many people get sucked down that hole never to come out again.

I wouldn't call it useless. I've thought of it as a way of surrendering to your addiction rather than treating it. Although it doesn't solve the chemical dependency, you can still live a more normal life than before that doesn't revolve around your addiction once on it.

If you don't really want to kick the old fashioned way and need some chemical help, nowadays you are probably just better off tapering with bupe.

[testerman]

option 1: drive everydaY to done clinic for years, and suffer the many side effects
option 2: withdraw over a few weeks and move on


you have to be a nigger to choose option 1

[fuckbiscuit]

Originally Posted by ( )

I wouldn't call it useless. I've thought of it as a way of surrendering to your addiction rather than treating it. Although it doesn't solve the chemical dependency, you can still live a more normal life than before that doesn't revolve around your addiction once on it.

If you don't really want to kick the old fashioned way and need some chemical help, nowadays you are probably just better off tapering with bupe.

Bupe is just as bad IMO.

Most people i know just end up getting their methadone/subutex for the day and using dope alongside it. I've quit twice cold turkey, from pretty bad dope habits and never had to use either, unless i'd bought methadone/bupe till my next fix.

[IWD]

I got on it, loved it. I felt fine all day every day. Then I started to get sick of the 45 minute drive in the mornings pretty quick. Then I got sick of not having my percocet script anymore for when I was actually sore. Then I got sick of not having my benzo script and having to get them on the street, therefore never having clean urine samples meaning I'll never get my take homes. I need a small amount of a long acting benzo for some neurological problems I got from doing speed back when I was 17. I might be able to get off of them, but I don't like the idea of being forced off of them after 3 years, and going from 3 mg to 2 mg of clonazepam myself (I never EVER abused them), rather than getting off of them at a rate I feel like getting off of them at (I've weened myself down to 1 mg per day as of now.)

I get sick of the doctor acting all pissed off whenever I say anything that suggests any con about methadone use. He's constantly trying to tell me to go up and he literally gets mad when I won't. He got upset when I suggested that I shouldn't just quit the clonazepam because he says so when he's never even asked me anything about it. He seemed upset when I wanted to decrease my dose 10mg's last time. That's what I'm doing next time too. I started, went up 10 mg's a week until I was at 75, then I went down to 65. Now I'm going to go from 65 to 50 (If they let you go down by 15.. going down 10 caused ZERO withdrawal.. probably because I was only on 75 for 2 weeks before going back down.) Then a week later, to 40, then 30, 20, 10, and off.

I will do my best to never get physically dependent on large doses of opiates again. I thought withdrawal was horrible, but being stuck in this rut (the methadone program) is much scarier than withdrawal.. plus the fear of the month long methadone withdrawal.. fuck all of this. I want off of it as fast as possible so the final withdrawal isn't AS bad as it will be if I'm on this shit for several more months.

I'm hoping if I've only been on it for 3 months or so by the time I go from 10 to 0 that the withdrawal will only last for a few weeks. I have loads of OC's (the old formula, and the new formula) that I don't take because it would be pointless. It takes me 400 mg to get high (I tried it on the long weekend) and what a waste. I don't care about getting high anymore anyways.. I just want to be able to take a perc or two for pain (I have a legit fucked up back from a snowboarding injury.. or several skateboarding/snowboarding injuries) and on methadone, opiates don't work, obviously.. unless you take a couple of hundred dollars worth. Even when I was an addict, I still aced my school courses, held a job, drove, paid my bills, maintained a social life. On methadone I just feel lousy constantly.. I'll lose my job unless I snap out of this depression and can do more than just sleep or have panic attacks.

Fuck methadone treatment. They're just killing off the junkies, and to be honest, I don't blame them. Most of the people that I see there look like parasites. I'm not a parasite though.. I contribute to this world in lots of ways, and I'm not letting the government monitor my life because I became addicted to opiates. Opiate addicts are a lot more docile than the raging meth addicts that are everywhere in this shithole chain of southern ontario small towns.

[Ghost Buster]

Just stop taking the methadone and embrace the WD's like a man. Get a friend to lock you in your/their basement with survival supplies if you can't manage the will power once withdrawing.

[fuckbiscuit]

Originally Posted by Ghost Buster

Just stop taking the methadone and embrace the WD's like a man. Get a friend to lock you in your/their basement with survival supplies if you can't manage the will power once withdrawing.

This.

My parents locked me up both times and let me drink myself unconscious every day so i could cope.

[B2 Stealth Bomber]

There is always shit you can use to ease the WD's and since you're in Canada IWD you can get codeine/aspirin otc and do cold water extractions for 5-6 days. It eases the symptoms and makes it bearable. You can also use benzos, gabapentin, clonodine, camomile tea, etc. Getting on methadone is like taking a baby chimp off your back and substituting it with a silverback gorilla. Also start lifting weights as soon as you feel like you are physically able to. It gets the chemicals in the brain firing.

[1983]

Hey! Common now! How else will your doctor pay for his boat... You don't exactly expect him to do it now?

Al

[IWD]

Haha, yeah, no doubt. It's easier to say embrace some cold turkey methadone withdrawals like a man when you don't have to do it though, lol. I have a job I have to hold and schoolwork I have to keep up on. I don't have enough time to spend 45 days straight in opiate withdrawal. God, that sounds shitty.

How about this, I have about 75 oxy 40's. What if I took 2 oxy 40's per day until I level out on that, then drop it to one after I can afford more, and then drop that to 3-4 percs a day.. then do regular opiate withdrawals.. would I still get the long ass withdrawals from methadone if I switched to constantly being on oxy for a month? lol, seriously though.

[&Zenith]

Originally Posted by ( )

If you don't really want to kick the old fashioned way and need some chemical help, nowadays you are probably just better off tapering with bupe.

Very true.

[Ghost Buster]

Originally Posted by IWD

Haha, yeah, no doubt. It's easier to say embrace some cold turkey methadone withdrawals like a man when you don't have to do it though, lol. I have a job I have to hold and schoolwork I have to keep up on. I don't have enough time to spend 45 days straight in opiate withdrawal. God, that sounds shitty.

How about this, I have about 75 oxy 40's. What if I took 2 oxy 40's per day until I level out on that, then drop it to one after I can afford more, and then drop that to 3-4 percs a day.. then do regular opiate withdrawals.. would I still get the long ass withdrawals from methadone if I switched to constantly being on oxy for a month? lol, seriously though.

You should probably just take time off from school and work, go cold turkey, and then sell your stockpile of drugs to make up for the off time. And I'd seriously answer your question but I have no idea. Probably best to ask that on one of the specialized opiate forums.

[IWD]

Originally Posted by Ghost Buster

You should probably just take time off from school and work, go cold turkey, and then sell your stockpile of drugs to make up for the off time. And I'd seriously answer your question but I have no idea. Probably best to ask that on one of the specialized opiate forums.

My plan is to do what you're saying, except I'm going to use what I have rather than selling it ONLY WHEN it's absolutely fucking unbearable or I have to do something. I can get time off of work, but not off of school until about a month from now. I'm going to go down 10mg per week until I can take a break from school and then I'll go cold turkey from like 30 mg or whatever I'm on then. It's lose/lose, but whatever. At least I can still make good money when I'm older, and I can still get laid when it's over with.. I'm not fat, or anti-social.. or retarded.. or living in a 3rd world country.. and I don't have hep C or a meth addiction.. so I guess things aren't that bad.. they're just going to be rough for a bit.

[Tokerface]

Originally Posted by Ghost Buster

Rules to quitting opiates:

1. Do not substitute your opiate addiction for another opiate addiction
2. Cold turkey is probably your best bet

That is all.

You've obviously never touched opiates in your life.

[Mirana]

Originally Posted by Godfrey

Cold turkey might be the best bet if you have absolutely no responsibilities in life. Anyone who has a job or goes to school can't just go cold turkey off of a moderate to large opiate addiction. For one, losing your job is a big risk. People who have never been in opiate withdrawals just can't understand what it's like. It's a legitimate sickness. Hell on earth. It takes a lot of effort to maintain yourself to any kind of standard while your in opiate withdrawal. It can be done, but it's rough as fuck. Imagine trying to go to work while you have food poisoning, it's kind of like that.

imo that's bullshit. I smoked weed before, and it's like the same thing (both drugs) also i felt totally fine the next day

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

youll go from having rock hard poo to just straight liquid in the same sitting!

[dizzle]

Originally Posted by IWD

would I still get the long ass withdrawals from methadone if I switched to constantly being on oxy for a month? lol, seriously though.

If you do it like that, NO you won't get a months worth of no sleep, hot/cold flashes, shitting/puking bile at the same time, etc.

Best move is switch to a short acting opiate (Oxycodone is perfect) with a very short halflife, like 4 hours, as opposed to methadone's 24-30 hours. the half life of the drug is a direct correlation to the length of withdrawls you'll endure.

Not to mention a few oxys ain't shit when compared to a 60mg methadone habit.
I'd taper the m-done down to 25, then 15 then 10, only dropping after a week on each dose. So that'll give you time to adjust. Then from 10mg, hit your 2 OC's a day, then one, then 2-3 percs.

If you've got the willpower to do this, or a friend that'll dole out the drugs to you, this'll be fuckin easy peasy.



All you fucks that say "UUMMM the best thing in my opinion is to go cold turkey"

You're stupid as shit, you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you're talking about so shut the fuck up. Maybe you kicked a 2 vicoden a day habit cold turkey, and that was hard for you, but you did it with strong willpower. Good for you!!

but you clearly have your head up your ass giving advice like that, so STFU

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...06773553221655

Methadonia. There is a guy in this doc who has been taking 300mg a day for like 30 years. Imagine if he went cold turkey. Motherfucker would turn into the Anti-Christ I bet.

[bortmackie]

Yea, it's easy to say just withdraw from a maintenance program, but with shit like this and suboxone, you have to have like several weeks with no responsibilities in order to do so.

[IWD]

There's some awesome posts in this thread. Godfrey, I can't tell you how satisfying it was to read your posts, as it's exactly what runs through my mind about it, but not just Godfrey, there's some really good posts from a bunch of you here.

That's exactly it.. you can't just go into cold turkey methadone (or any stronger opiate) withdrawal from a daily dose that will cause a serious WD while you have daily priorities. That's why it's such a kick in the fucking penis. I AM going to taper 10mg a week, then SWALLOW the 40mg OC's 2 a day for a week, then 1.5, then 1, then 6 percs throughout the day.. 5.. 4 .. then cold turkey once I've adjusted on that, for a withdrawal that is tolerable while you have to work and do schoolwork.

To anyone else that could ever benefit from reading this, methadone will make everything worse.. staying on it forever = no quality of life, which is what anyone that my initial statement offended were planning on doing.

[bluehazeman]

coming off methadone makes a H detox feel like a walk in the park, did mine off of 50mls a day, had murders for a fortnight, 1/2g H a day stopped and 4/5 days of feeling like shit then out on the town with some good bugle

[jator]

The thing that finally got me clean was a bit over a month long suboxone taper. I felt kinda shitty the first 2 weeks but NOTHING like heroind wd or anything like that. After that it was onto PAWS and that I am still dealing with.

I haven't been clean this long anytime in the past 3 years tho so I'm happy with where I'm at. For me at least it was good to have a period where I wasn't really high or in wd so I could get used to living day to day before I finally went off it (where I would normally of had no idea what to do with myself).

[Doki66]

Don't take methadone if you have a problem with opiates

[bluehazeman]

Originally Posted by jator

The thing that finally got me clean was a bit over a month long suboxone taper. I felt kinda shitty the first 2 weeks but NOTHING like heroind wd or anything like that. After that it was onto PAWS and that I am still dealing with.

I haven't been clean this long anytime in the past 3 years tho so I'm happy with where I'm at. For me at least it was good to have a period where I wasn't really high or in wd so I could get used to living day to day before I finally went off it (where I would normally of had no idea what to do with myself).

good luck,

[IWD]

Originally Posted by Doki66

Don't take methadone if you have a problem with opiates

You would THINK if the government cared about the well being of the people on methadone they would REALIZE THIS. Therefore, and for many other reasons, they don't. You or me being on it just benefits society. It's seriously only worthwhile if you get it on the street, and do it a few times per year to stay out of wd for work days, or some other priority.

[STEROS]

my dad was prescribed methadone for his severe migraines and didn't like the effects so he left 'em in the medicine cabinet for me to snatch.

anyways, yeah -- methadone fucks you up... it's impossible to stand up or else you're puke your insides out... but oh man -- sleeping was the best thing in the world on those pills... i could lay in bed for 16 hours in dream land.

i had 30 of 'em and ended up giving more then half of 'em to friends because i'm cool liek dat.

[Tokerface]

Originally Posted by STEROS

my dad was prescribed methadone for his severe migraines and didn't like the effects so he left 'em in the medicine cabinet for me to snatch.

anyways, yeah -- methadone fucks you up... it's impossible to stand up or else you're puke your insides out... but oh man -- sleeping was the best thing in the world on those pills... i could lay in bed for 16 hours in dream land.

i had 30 of 'em and ended up giving more then half of 'em to friends because i'm cool liek dat.