Getting LSA out of MG

[Thr33 Blind Mice]

I can' do extraction can you just soak the crushed upseeds in water?

[Gun Lover]

Meh, water might be inferior to a small alcohol of some kind.

[ImnotanoobIswearit]

Mudfarmer, search for it there has to be dozens of LSA threads on flasks and beakers alone.

It's never worked for me, the best I've ever got out of MG's are a stomach ache, bad taste in my mouth and an upset stomach. Make LSAmonade. Or a CWE with peppermint/cinna. essential oils to "convert" it.

[p6867]

Originally Posted by Thr33 Blind Mice

I can' do extraction can you just soak the crushed upseeds in water?

Put some lemon juice concentrate in your water for better results. Or Just soak them in a mix of 70% water and 30% lemon juice concentrate. Have it in a dark glass so that light won't break it down. LSx is a very sensitive chemical.

Shake when possible every couple of hours for 2 days and keep it as cold as you can without freezing it. When it turns dark brown and disgusting, you're ready to go.

A/B extraction is fucking easy anyway.

[BungHole]

Originally Posted by Thr33 Blind Mice

I can' do extraction can you just soak the crushed upseeds in water?

Originally Posted by ImnotanoobIswearit

Mudfarmer, search for it there has to be dozens of LSA threads on flasks and beakers alone.

It's never worked for me, the best I've ever got out of MG's are a stomach ache, bad taste in my mouth and an upset stomach. Make LSAmonade. Or a CWE with peppermint/cinna. essential oils to "convert" it.

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/search.php?searchid=5369926

The age old question; how do I get noobs to UTFSE?

[ImnotanoobIswearit]

Originally Posted by BungHole

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/search.php?searchid=5369901

The age old question; how do I get noobs to UTFSE?

Can't teach an old dog new tricks.

[kervin]

Originally Posted by BungHole

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/search.php?searchid=5369926

The age old question; how do I get noobs to UTFSE?

Given the current state of flasks and beakers, It might help revive things. I know another massive thread exists, but maybe a fresh look is what we need. MG is a topic nearly everyone can understand/contribute to, so it might just take off again

You are the mod though so delete/move is of course your choice.

My organic chemistry is incredibly rusty, so be nice . I just love this topic though. There are so many facets of science involved in working with lysergamides. MG is underrated in my opinion, and the amount of literature available about these compounds is truly massive, which gives us much to work from and tweak.

What do you guys think about preforming this extraction:


1. grind up seeds in low light environment, preferably low temperature also.

2. add a mixture of ether and a baking soda solution, enough to cover seeds, but not excessively.

3. shake/stir a few times (allowing to sit for extended period of time may help)

4. allow phases to separate

5. save ether layer, and discard baking soda solution layer

6. Allow ether to evaporate (stream of inert if you got it lol)

7. place crude extract from step 6 in a mixture of ether and citric acid solution

8. repeat step 3

8. remove citric acid solution

9. drink citric acid solution (don't get sick??)



or maybe


1. cover ground seeds with citric acid solution

2. add ether/drain ether a couple times to wash

3. separate ether from citric acid solution

3. adjust citric acid solution to pH 8 with baking soda solution

4. add mystery solvent

5. drain mystery solvent

6. evaporate mystery solvent (inert stream if possible)

7. eat concentrated lysergic goo

note: Maybe someone could a readily available solvent system. Best would probably be DCM of CHCl3, but you know.

Also:

1. Cover ground seeds with ethanol

2. evaporate ethanol

3. add residue to citric acid solution and naphtha

4. drain naphtha and save citric acid solution

5. basify citric acid solution to pH 8 with baking soda solution

6. add same mystery solvent from outline 2 to grab lysergamides

7. evaporate mystery solvent

8. eat perfectly shaped and clean crystals




edit: well isn't this nice:

http://fscimage.fishersci.com/cmsass...alCrossRef.pdf

maybe limonene could be our mystery solvent, but that has a pretty high boiling point

[BungHole]

Originally Posted by kervin

Given the current state of flasks and beakers, It might help revive things. I know another massive thread exists, but maybe a fresh look is what we need. MG is a topic nearly everyone can understand/contribute to, so it might just take off again

You are the mod though so delete/move is of course your choice.

My organic chemistry is incredibly rusty, so be nice . I just love this topic though. There are so many facets of science involved in working with lysergamides. MG is underrated in my opinion, and the amount of literature available about these compounds is truly massive, which gives us much to work from and tweak.

What do you guys think about preforming this extraction:


1. grind up seeds in low light environment, preferably low temperature also.

2. add a mixture of ether and a baking soda solution, enough to cover seeds, but not excessively.

3. shake/stir a few times (allowing to sit for extended period of time may help)

4. allow phases to separate

5. save ether layer, and discard baking soda solution layer

6. Allow ether to evaporate (stream of inert if you got it lol)

7. place crude extract from step 6 in a mixture of ether and citric acid solution

8. repeat step 3

8. remove citric acid solution

9. drink citric acid solution (don't get sick??)



or maybe


1. cover ground seeds with citric acid solution

2. add ether/drain ether a couple times to wash

3. separate ether from citric acid solution

3. adjust citric acid solution to pH 8 with baking soda solution

4. add mystery solvent

5. drain mystery solvent

6. evaporate mystery solvent (inert stream if possible)

7. eat concentrated lysergic goo

note: Maybe someone could a readily available solvent system. Best would probably be DCM of CHCl3, but you know.

Also:

1. Cover ground seeds with ethanol

2. evaporate ethanol

3. add residue to citric acid solution and naphtha

4. drain naphtha and save citric acid solution

5. basify citric acid solution to pH 8 with baking soda solution

6. add same mystery solvent from outline 2 to grab lysergamides

7. evaporate mystery solvent

8. eat perfectly shaped and clean crystals




edit: well isn't this nice:

http://fscimage.fishersci.com/cmsass...alCrossRef.pdf

maybe limonene could be our mystery solvent, but that has a pretty high boiling point

If it becomes a successful thread before the Apocalypse, I'll leave it. Deal?

[Cosmotographer]

I came to share what i'm working on currently, and where i'm at with it. This thread seemed applicable as I did not feel this worthy of creating a new thread.

Been fuckxin with some MG seeds. Got a few pounds, so as well as planting all that i possibly can, i'm going at this from a variety of angles. I figured I'd start with a classic Ethanol extraction, no defat.

Grinded up 21 g of Organic Heavenly Blue MG Seeds from a reputable source. I made sure i grinded it down very fine (surface area ; ). Then I just soaked it with enough ethanol to cover it by a few inches. I left it like that in the fridge for about 2 weeks, shaking it vigorously a few times a day.

Ethanol has now turned a nice yellow color. I strained all the solids out, and am left with just the active(we hope) solution. I did notice a small amount of some milky stuff floating around. Tried running through multiple coffee filters and it would not catch it. It looks like a small enough amount of solids/fats that it will not upset my stomach; but we will see.

So yeah, now i intend to evap this out at room temp in a dark place until it's about a shots worth, then gulp it down. I will post with how that goes.

If i get a stomach ache, nausea, or cramping with it I plan on defatting with naptha next time. Other options are evaping out to a tar and placing them in pills? Does anyone know how long they would stay active in this state?

Could i possibly get it to a tar, then defat at that point in time, to save the amount of naptha i have to use?

Could I, after running multiple defats, then going to a ethanol solution, be able to freeze participate out the results? I remember reading something about that, but having to do it in the freeze, and i wasn't sure if a household freezer would get cold enough to precipitate out the actives?

Any help would be much appreciated, as would any critique. I will be downing this here yellow shot of delicious morning glory booze here shortly. Well. If i can get the courage up anyways IT'S IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE I TELL YOU.

[Cosmotographer]

Split the solution made from 7 g of solids with 1 other person. So an eigth for each of us. I mixed mine in sprite and drank it slowly over the course of a couple hours to interesting effect. I can get into more detail if anyone cares to hear it, but i will say, it is not d-25. It is however very active, slightly sedative, felt a little opiatic, some visual distortion, overall mood elevation, etc... All mild and pleasant. NO NEGATIVE BODY LOAD. The Defat seems unnecessary to me if you are just trying to grab some alkaloids.

peace out for now. Been a long interesting night guys.

[Cosmotographer]

Ingested approx 7 g dissolved into 2 shots of everclear. Mixed with sprite. Slight sedative effect but nothing like last time. ???????? Maybe the extra time it took to evaporate it down killed the actives? Will evaporate in fridge next time.


Edit: The apocalypse is coming soon. So i better figure this out before the thread gets deleted

I have 56g solids, covered in ethanol. I added vanilla extract, and lemon juice this time. Been shaking it as much as possible. It has a wonderful smell. I'm hoping that if I evaporate this down in the fridge, and take shots while it's still cold, i'll have more effects.

Wish me luck. Or don't, as the trend seems to be. I'll edit from now on so I don't bump this as much

[delysid]

Good luck.

[Strange Daze]

The appeal of the ethanol extraction is that the toxins present in the shell of the seed are not soluble in ethanol while the alkaloids and other non-harmful chemicals are...right?
And you guys are shaking it because that increases the surface area exposure of the ethanol to all the morning glory constituients..right?
Now...what I don't understand is why this must be done under cold conditions. I am aware that lysergic compounds are sensitive to heat and light but does that include room temperature? I'm just asking this part because I can't really explain to my dad why I'd have my shit in his fridge.

[Slayre]

Why do people bother with MG? Just use HBW...

[Cosmotographer]

Because 100 HBWR seeds costs me the same as 2 kilograms of MG.

[p6867]

Originally Posted by Strange Daze

The appeal of the ethanol extraction is that the toxins present in the shell of the seed are not soluble in ethanol while the alkaloids and other non-harmful chemicals are...right?
And you guys are shaking it because that increases the surface area exposure of the ethanol to all the morning glory constituients..right?
Now...what I don't understand is why this must be done under cold conditions. I am aware that lysergic compounds are sensitive to heat and light but does that include room temperature? I'm just asking this part because I can't really explain to my dad why I'd have my shit in his fridge.

because the colder compound will hold more lysergic acid in solution that the warmer.

Basically, the atmosphere is a chemical reaction, and the colder environment holds more than a warmer one. This is why extremely cold days in the winter don't get as much precipitation as warmer days, the colder weather enables the clouds to hold more water in solution.

[Strange Daze]

Originally Posted by p6867

because the colder compound will hold more lysergic acid in solution that the warmer.

Basically, the atmosphere is a chemical reaction, and the colder environment holds more than a warmer one. This is why extremely cold days in the winter don't get as much precipitation as warmer days, the colder weather enables the clouds to hold more water in solution.

I would be inclined to think the opposite, that the higher kinetic energy aka collision probability of the ethanol and alkaloids as a result of room temp versus fridge temp would increase the yeild.