How do people justify a belief in any deity?

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Your lack of belief is based on lack of evidence (lack of knowledge), hence it is based on ignorance.

Dumbass logic; my lack of a belief exists because there is no reason to believe the shit you're peddling. Recognizing that something that shows no signs of existing probably doesn't exist isn't ignorance, it's reasonable. However, even if I'm playing your game and I say that lack of proof = ignorance in all shapes and forms, one could go a step further and say that while I refuse to belief because I will refuse to make a judgement on something while being ignorant to the facts (i.e. a process that happens in our legal systems, mathematics science etc i.e. not jumping to conclusions without evidence), unless you can provide proof of god, you continue to believe despite knowing you are ignorant of the facts (roughly equivalent to face-value summary judgements of people that lynch mobs in the Salem Witch Trials carried out).

Your retarded line of argument isn't really helping you even if I take your broken definition of "ignorance" to be true, which is believing in something simply because it can't be disproven.

You seem to think I'm the ignorant one for believing as I do despite the fact I have a foundation of knowledge (Information and skills acquired through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.) on which my belief rests.

Yet you still present no proof for the existence of god and fail to accept that the burden of proof lies upon the shoulders of he who asserts that god exists. You are ignorant because either you have no evidence or all yourr evidence is personal experience i.e. no more valid than the ravings of Charles Manson.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

Dumbass logic; my lack of a belief exists because there is no reason to believe the shit you're peddling. Recognizing that something that shows no signs of existing probably doesn't exist isn't ignorance, it's reasonable. However, even if I'm playing your game and I say that lack of proof = ignorance in all shapes and forms, one could go a step further and say that while I refuse to belief because I will refuse to make a judgement on something while being ignorant to the facts (i.e. a process that happens in our legal systems, mathematics science etc i.e. not jumping to conclusions without evidence), unless you can provide proof of god, you continue to believe despite knowing you are ignorant of the facts (roughly equivalent to face-value summary judgements of people that lynch mobs in the Salem Witch Trials carried out).

Your retarded line of argument isn't really helping you even if I take your broken definition of "ignorance" to be true, which is believing in something simply because it can't be disproven.



Yet you still present no proof for the existence of god and fail to accept that the burden of proof lies upon the shoulders of he who asserts that god exists. You are ignorant because either you have no evidence or all yourr evidence is personal experience i.e. no more valid than the ravings of Charles Manson.

You are ignorant of God, and that is what your belief is based on. You can call it reason all you want, but your reason only extends as far as your empirical evidence does, which isn't very far at all. You have glorified your ignorance and proclaimed it reasonable, because of the lack of seeing God under a microscope or through a telescope. I'm telling you that you are ignorant (uneducated, inexperienced) from a position of knowledge. Stop rebelling against your teacher, and quietly accept that you are ignorant of the Divine.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

I think it hurts for atheists to hear that their beliefs are based on ignorance.

"The first thing a smart man learns is that he knows nothing."

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

"The first thing a smart man learns is that he knows nothing."

That's how it feels when God is discovered "How could I have been so ignorant?"

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

You are ignorant of God, and that is what your belief is based on. You can call it reason all you want, but your reason only extends as far as your empirical evidence does, which isn't very far at all. You have glorified your ignorance and proclaimed it reasonable, because of the lack of seeing God under a microscope or through a telescope. I'm telling you that you are ignorant (uneducated, inexperienced) from a position of knowledge. Stop rebelling against your teacher, and quietly accept that you are ignorant of the Divine.

You keep spewing the word "ignorant", but it doesn't mean what you think it means. Unless you can provide a reasonable, logical REASON for me to believe in god, there is no reason to believe in god. It's that simple. What do we have if we don't have evidence? Your word? How is your word more valid than my word or the word of Sharon Tait? How is your word more valid than Snorri Sturluson's?

Answer me, motherfucker!

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

You keep spewing the word "ignorant", but it doesn't mean what you think it means. Unless you can provide a reasonable, logical REASON for me to believe in god, there is no reason to believe in god. It's that simple. What do we have if we don't have evidence? Your word? How is your word more valid than my word or the word of Sharon Tait? How is your word more valid than Snorri Sturluson's?

Answer me, motherfucker!

Ignorant - Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular.

In this case, you are ignorant of God, because you lack knowledge of Him, you lack information about Him, and most of all you lack the awareness of Him.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

That's how it feels when God is discovered "How could I have been so ignorant?"

"Don't bring God into your bullshit idiocy."

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

"Don't bring God into your bullshit idiocy."

You're just mad, brah.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

You're just mad, brah.

"God has got nothing to do with this converation."

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Ignorant - Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular.

In this case, you are ignorant of God, because you lack knowledge of Him, you lack information about Him, and most of all you lack the awareness of Him.

Not true. I have plenty of knowledge of the concept of god, I just don't have any evidence he exists. Neither do you, as a matter of fact. You have been challenged numerous times to present the reason for why you believe in god and/or ANY proof that he exists. Instead, you keep bitching about how our unenlightened brains cannot grasp god and twisting away from the question. I challenge you articulate one singular piece of reasonable evidence for the existence of god.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

Not true. I have plenty of knowledge of the concept of god, I just don't have any evidence he exists. Neither do you, as a matter of fact. You have been challenged numerous times to present the reason for why you believe in god and/or ANY proof that he exists. Instead, you keep bitching about how our unenlightened brains cannot grasp god and twisting away from the question. I challenge you articulate one singular piece of reasonable evidence for the existence of god.

Nope.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Nope.

"You're a dope."

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Nope.

Yep

[FON]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

I think it hurts for atheists to hear that their beliefs are based on ignorance.

It probably would if you could actually provide evidence that shows their beliefs are based on ignorance. Since you can't it just makes you look like an idiot. It is a pointless discussion if you can't/won't show us your evidence. You should really just shut the fuck up.

[nshanin]

Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

unless you can provide proof of god, you continue to believe despite knowing you are ignorant of the facts (roughly equivalent to face-value summary judgements of people that lynch mobs in the Salem Witch Trials carried out).

Originally Posted by me

What about teh Gitaz? (Talks about the knower and the field of knowledge in teaching 13, btw)

Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

Nigger, please.

You are ignorant because either you have no evidence or all yourr evidence is personal experience i.e. no more valid than the ravings of Charles Manson.

The defense rests, you didn't want to touch Benatar with a 10-ft pole.

It adds this other summary and the 13th teaching as before:

One who understands the difference between the body, the soul and the Supersoul beyond them both attains liberation from this material world.
O chief of the Bharatas, know that whatever you see in existence, both the moving and the nonmoving, is only a combination of the field of activities and the knower of the field.
One who sees the Supersoul accompanying the individual soul in all bodies, and who understands that neither the soul nor the Supersoul within the destructible body is ever destroyed, actually sees.
One who can see that all activities are performed by the body, which is created of material nature, and sees that the self does nothing, actually sees.

Originally Posted by Here's the lazy man's 13th teaching

1: Arjuna said: I have heard of underlying form of matter called Prakriti, of the cosmic spirit called Purusha, and of the holy field called Kshetra, I wish to learn of these, O Krishna."
The Blessed Lord said: "This body is a holy field, a Kshetra, and he who knows it is called the Kshetrajna. Know that I am the creator of all creation, O Arjuna, the knower of all fields.
3: What the Kshetra is, hear from Me. It is the five great elements, it is the I-sense, it is the intellect, it is the Prakti of unformed matter, it is the ten organs of the body along and the mind as an eleventh, it is the five objects of the senses, it is the desire, and the will - such is Kshetra. With hands and feet everywhere, with eyes, head, and face everywhere; having ears everywhere, the creator exists in the creation by pervading everything. The light of all lights, He is the knowledge, the object of knowledge, and sits in the hearts of all beings. Such is Kshetra.
19. Know both Prakriti and Purusha are truly beginningless and eternal. Know that all things you know and see are sprung from Prakriti. Prakriti is the cause of the body and of the senses, while it is Purusha that experiences, joy and sorrow. Whoever understands Purusha and Prakriti will be released from the cycle of rebirth, no matter what be his mode of living.
24. There are some who seek to perceive the Atma within themselves through the Jnana-Yoga of pure-minded meditation, others who approach it through the discipline of knowledge or work called Karma-Yoga. Some do not understand Brahman, but having heard of it from others, take to worship. They too transcend death by their firm faith. They who understand the difference between the body of creation and the Atma of the creator and know the technique of liberation, attain the Supreme.
THUS ENDS THE YOGA 'THE KNOWER AND THE KNOWN'