Adam VS the DMT "It was like living in a tie-dye bubble"

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Obbe

Distortion is wrong, there is nothing to fear, like being afraid of losing your mind. You should try to lose your mind, it could be liberating. Distortion wants to tell you what to do and what's good for you. Distortion doesn't want you to find your own answers, he wants you to believe his.

I was trying to mitigate the crazy hippie bullshit you and Ate and people like you attribute to DMT. This makes lots of people not want to try it when they see fucking hippie niggers like you rabble on about it and how it's made you the crazy fucking hippie that you are. No one wants to become a crazy fucking hippie unless they're already genetically predisposed to fail at quantifiable logic.

[Figure-8]

Originally Posted by Vizier

Ate has DMT experiences with weed.

And I have weed experiences with myself.

Originally Posted by Obbe

Viziers life experience consists of posting on forums.

Maybe that's where his experience on this subject comes from.

Maybe you literally have to extend yourself into a new space to understand it. With or without DMT. I don't know, I think that's just being lazy. Everyone can understand their dreams and a hierarchy of knowledge and consciousness.

Maybe if you seek to and have an experience with the pineal gland activating through meditation you can find some inner light?

It's possible to sit or lay in the darkness and have a burning liquid light pierce the room of your inner mind and open up your entire body to this heated source of creative, consciousness expanding illumination. It's strange, but it happens as it is a function of your biology, tied into every cycle and true growth.

You don't need anybody or anything. I think that is a big seeeeeeecccarreeett. That many people will be adorned in red outfits in order to remove a potential threat to the establishment.

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Figure-8

And I might as well put this in here:
http://neurotheology.50megs.com/whats_new.html

All of that is completely unsubstantiated, non-scientific stupid hippie drivel.

[Figure-8]

Mmmh, no, you're just saying that because you feel logically defeated by the truth, automatically.

All that is what happens when you seek to truly experience all that is, instead of staying your comfort zone, only coming out to "play" with yourself.

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

I was trying to mitigate the crazy hippie bullshit you and Ate and people like you attribute to DMT. This makes lots of people not want to try it when they see fucking hippie niggers like you rabble on about it and how it's made you the crazy fucking hippie that you are. No one wants to become a crazy fucking hippie unless they're already genetically predisposed to fail at quantifiable logic.

You're talking about a stereotype, not about me or about anything specific. I don't think I've said much at all about DMT, and it doesn't matter what I say. People can figure out the world for themselves, they don't need to listen to me or to you. People don't need you to help convince them to do drugs. Why do you care if people try DMT or not anyway? Because of some crazy distortion bullshit you believe in?

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Figure-8

Mmmh, no, you're just saying that because you feel logically defeated by the truth, automatically.

All that is what happens when you seek to truly experience all that is, instead of staying your comfort zone, only coming out to "play" with yourself.

Okay, prove the claims are substantiated with scientific research. Particularly, show me a scientific paper supporting "EM vibrations" producing DMT in the brain



(Note: Typing a long rambling post is not scientific evidence)

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Obbe

You're talking about a stereotype, not about me or about anything specific. I don't think I've said much at all about DMT, and it doesn't matter what I say. People can figure out the world for themselves, they don't need to listen to me or to you. People don't need you to help convince them to do drugs. Why do you care if people try DMT or not anyway? Because of some crazy distortion bullshit you believe in?

A stereotype based on you and Ate? How can it be a stereotype if it's only directed at two specific people?

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

A stereotype based on you and Ate? How can it be a stereotype if it's only directed at two specific people?

Now you're just ignoring everything I mentioned, and I never said that it is a stereotype based on me and ate, it is the stereotype of the "crazy hippie". Which you happen to associate with myself and others.

Anyway, I don't think I've said much at all about DMT, and it doesn't matter what I have said anyway. People can figure out the world for themselves, they don't need to listen to me or to you. People don't need you to help convince them to do drugs. Why do you care if people try DMT or not anyway? Because of some crazy distortion bullshit you believe in?

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Obbe

Now you're just ignoring everything I mentioned, and I never said that it is a stereotype based on me and ate, it is the stereotype of the "crazy hippie". Which you happen to associate with myself and others.

Anyway, I don't think I've said much at all about DMT, and it doesn't matter what I have said anyway. People can figure out the world for themselves, they don't need to listen to me or to you. People don't need you to help convince them to do drugs. Why do you care if people try DMT or not anyway? Because of some crazy distortion bullshit you believe in?

I recall the guy I was talking to specifically saying something like "wow you guys make DMT sound so crazy i dont think i'll try it until im on my deathbed or really drunk" --or some shit like that

Hence, everything I fucking posted

[Vizier]

Originally Posted by Obbe

Viziers life experience consists of posting on forums.

Yeah, because making 20 posts a day consumes 10 hours of my time every single day since each post I make takes about half an hour to get typed


Go light up a joint and listen to Skrillex, hippie.

[broseph]

you people need to take a deep breath and step back a little bit

fuck.

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

I recall the guy I was talking to specifically saying something like "wow you guys make DMT sound so crazy i dont think i'll try it until im on my deathbed or really drunk" --or some shit like that

Hence, everything I fucking posted

I don't recall posting in this thread before our conversation, so why did you mention my name? Because you associate me with the stereotypical crazy hippie.

Anyway, you never explained why he should try DMT, you just called a group of people crazy. Not very impressive, nor convincing.

Originally Posted by Vizier

Go light up a joint and listen to Skrillex, hippie.

Cry a little harder. Also, I don't know what skrillex is, you probably listen to it more then I do. Also, I will go hit the bong. And you can keep making the nasty dramatic remarks that you pride yourself on.

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Obbe

I don't recall posting in this thread before our conversation, so why did you mention my name? Because you associate me with the stereotypical crazy hippie.

I always see you post in places Ate posts. So I associate you with Ate. Are you calling ate a stereotypical crazy hippie?

Anyway, you never explained why he should try DMT, you just called a group of people crazy. Not very impressive.

I think he should try DMT if he wants to, but I don't think he should not want to try it because of the way crazy fucking internet hippies hype it up to be some uber life changing near-death-like-experience extreme rollercoaster ride that's only suitable for people who are already crazy

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

I always see you post in places Ate posts. So I associate you with Ate. Are you calling ate a stereotypical crazy hippie?

Nope, I am saying you associate me and others with a stereotype. That stereotype is "the crazy hippie".

I also see you post in the places Ate posts. I too associate you with ate.

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

I think he should try DMT if he wants to, but I don't think he should not want to try it because of the way crazy fucking internet hippies hype it up to be some uber life changing near-death-like-experience extreme rollercoaster ride that's only suitable for people who are already crazy

Where in the thread did anyone do that? And are you saying the DMT experience isn't sometimes life changing, or like a near-death-experience? How would you describe it then?

[Vizier]

Drugs are overrated. I've had much crazier dreams than anything I've ever seen in a drug induced trip.

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by Vizier

Drugs are overrated. I've had much crazier dreams than anything I've ever seen in a drug induced trip.

Do you think DMT is related to dreaming, or has nothing to do with it?

Are dreams just random stuff happening, or do they have inherent meanings?

[iMagiNation]

Originally Posted by Vizier

Drugs are overrated. I've had much crazier dreams than anything I've ever seen in a drug induced trip.

You don't even do drugs.

[Vizier]

Originally Posted by Obbe

Do you think DMT is related to dreaming, or has nothing to do with it?
Are dreams just random stuff happening, or do they have inherent meanings?

I don't know much about the chemistry of DMT itself or how it's present in trace amounts in our bodies. Nobody is sure how DMT is related to dreams, but either way dreams are pretty much our subconscious recycling and rebooting itself to give our brains the rest. Most dreams are just repressed thoughts and shit we did throughout the day and we, as symbolic beings, interpret these symbols in a very subjective way.

Originally Posted by iMagiNation

You don't even do drugs.

I have, it's just that I don't base my internet persona pretending I do and acting as if they were the greatest thing in the world like you dirty hippies do. Most of you are probably posers anyway.

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by Vizier

I don't know much about the chemistry of DMT itself or how it's present in trace amounts in our bodies. Nobody is sure how DMT is related to dreams, but either way dreams are pretty much our subconscious recycling and rebooting itself to give our brains the rest. Most dreams are just repressed thoughts and shit we did throughout the day and we, as symbolic beings, interpret these symbols in a very subjective way.

Considering that all meaning is subjective, wouldn't that make our dreams very meaningful to us? Perhaps even helpful?

[Vizier]

I thought you were enlighted and knew about this shit, instead you're just making stupid questions.

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Obbe

Where in the thread did anyone do that? And are you saying the DMT experience isn't sometimes life changing, or like a near-death-experience? How would you describe it then?

I didn't even read the thread. I just saw a post by a224 and assumed he had a reason for calling it seemingly crazy and being too intimidated to try it. Crazy hippies talking about their completely subjective DMT trips are what scare people away from DMT most of the time. Your trip experiences are practically meaningless to most everyone else and do nothing but scare people away, who if they were to try it before reading all your crazy shit they would probably fucking love it. I just simply want you crazy Ate-type people to stfu and just let people try the chemical themselves

[Vizier]

Love it when people post their trips as if they were motherfucking Buzz Aldrin taking a shit on the moon.

I remember the first time I tried Salvia I had read a lot of these trips and most were negative in a way that the drug scared everyone shitless during the trip and how these hippies knew all about it and mentioned shit like having a good state of mind and setting etc.

I said, "fuck it", smoked it while I sat my ass in a couch. It was as scary as Ate is enlightened; as a matter of fact it was pretty fun and I've done it several more times since, all positive experiences.

Do I think they were life changing? Not really. Am I enlighted and suddenly discover the truth and disregard science cuz a dried up plant with some funny chemical made me trip balls and travel in time for a couple of minutes? Lol, no.

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by Vizier

I thought you were enlighted and knew about this shit, instead you're just making stupid questions.

Do you really think I am enlightened?

I am asking questions to learn about what you think.

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

I didn't even read the thread. I just saw a post by a224 and assumed he had a reason for calling it seemingly crazy and being too intimidated to try it. Crazy hippies talking about their completely subjective DMT trips are what scare people away from DMT most of the time. Your trip experiences are practically meaningless to most everyone else and do nothing but scare people away, who if they were to try it before reading all your crazy shit they would probably fucking love it. I just simply want you crazy Ate-type people to stfu and just let people try the chemical themselves

I didn't even read the thread either, I just saw a post by distortion about the "stereotypical crazy hippies" that exist in his head, and assumed you were posting your usual bullshit in this thread, unwilling to stfu and let people talk about the stuff they're interested in.

[Vizier]

Originally Posted by Obbe

Do you really think I am enlightened?

Most of the spiritual dipshits here are as enlightened and spiritually advanced/knowledgeable as I am Norwegian.

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by Vizier

Most of the spiritual dipshits here are as enlightened and spiritually advanced/knowledgeable as I am Norwegian.

So you think you are more enlightened?

[Vizier]

If enlightened means not being a stupid hippie then yes.

[Aperson444]

DMT is produced endogenously, and the evidence suggesting that it is an endogenous sigma receptor ligand is pretty damn good. However, we can't speculate DMT to have any other practical functions just yet.

As far as we know, DMT could just be a random metabolic byproduct that just so happens to bind to the sigma receptors.

It's not a fucking inter-dimensionary gateway though. I can't believe that retards buy into that psuedo-spiritual bullshit

[iMagiNation]

Originally Posted by Vizier

I don't know much about the chemistry of DMT itself or how it's present in trace amounts in our bodies. Nobody is sure how DMT is related to dreams, but either way dreams are pretty much our subconscious recycling and rebooting itself to give our brains the rest. Most dreams are just repressed thoughts and shit we did throughout the day and we, as symbolic beings, interpret these symbols in a very subjective way.



I have, it's just that I don't base my internet persona pretending I do and acting as if they were the greatest thing in the world like you dirty hippies do. Most of you are probably posers anyway.

I've done drugs with several totse and zoklet members. Just because some of us have a hobby outside of zoklet doesn't mean we're all posers.

[Figure-8]

Originally Posted by Vizier

Drugs are overrated. I've had much crazier dreams than anything I've ever seen in a drug induced trip.

This is what I've been saying.

The chemicals are physical keys. Feel good drugs are just that.

But the experiences that lead into the creative experiences that are similar, almost medically identical to the mystical experiences of history, they are unlocking something that is already within us.

This is why I say the dreams, the meditations, the emotional experiences, the unlocking/activating synchronized experiences, these are all the natural forms of growing the mind that do not involve an external chemical being brought in the body.

They are natural, this has been done this way FOREVER.

[Figure-8]

Once again:

Originally Posted by Figure-8

rofl.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20150873
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8747157

Originally Posted by Danger

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19756361
N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is a potent plant hallucinogen that has also been found in human tissues. When ingested, DMT and related N,N-dialkyltryptamines produce an intense hallucinogenic state. Behavioral effects are mediated through various neurochemical mechanisms including activity at sigma-1 and serotonin receptors, modification of monoamine uptake and release, and competition for metabolic enzymes. To further clarify the pharmacology of hallucinogenic tryptamines, we synthesized DMT, N-methyl-N-isopropyltryptamine (MIPT), N,N-dipropyltryptamine (DPT), and N,N-diisopropyltryptamine. We then tested the abilities of these N,N-dialkyltryptamines to inhibit [(3)H]5-HT uptake via the plasma membrane serotonin transporter (SERT) in human platelets and via the vesicle monoamine transporter (VMAT2) in Sf9 cells expressing the rat VMAT2. The tryptamines were also tested as inhibitors of [(3)H]paroxetine binding to the SERT and [(3)H]dihydrotetrabenazine binding to VMAT2. Our results show that DMT, MIPT, DPT, and DIPT inhibit [(3)H]5-HT transport at the SERT with K ( I ) values of 4.00 +/- 0.70, 8.88 +/- 4.7, 0.594 +/- 0.12, and 2.32 +/- 0.46 microM, respectively. At VMAT2, the tryptamines inhibited [(3)H]5-HT transport with K ( I ) values of 93 +/- 6.8, 20 +/- 4.3, 19 +/- 2.3, and 19 +/- 3.1 muM, respectively. On the other hand, the tryptamines were very poor inhibitors of [(3)H]paroxetine binding to SERT and of [(3)H]dihydrotetrabenazine binding to VMAT2, resulting in high binding-to-uptake ratios. High binding-to-uptake ratios support the hypothesis that the tryptamines are transporter substrates, not uptake blockers, at both SERT and VMAT2, and also indicate that there are separate substrate and inhibitor binding sites within these transporters. The transporters may allow the accumulation of tryptamines within neurons to reach relatively high levels for sigma-1 receptor activation and to function as releasable transmitters.

Now, what role does DMT play in LIFE, DEATH, creativity, autism/schizophrenia, dreams, NDE, a mystic state, the DMT experience, MUSIC and SOUND, meditation, sun gazing, the pineal gland, ancient spiritualism, the vatican, the perception of other worlds and evolution?

Originally Posted by Danger

I have an imagination, but DMT takes it to another level. You're literally there, navigating a new dimension, in a new world projected by your sub-conscious...

The question is whether it is related to the perception of this world in a novel way.

Originally Posted by Vizier

I thought you were enlighted and knew about this shit, instead you're just making stupid questions.

That is part of enlightenment. It is a never ending process. "Getting there", and "being there".

Originally Posted by a224

I am scared to do DMT it sounds way too crazy for me. Maybe on my deathbed or if I'm drunk.

When a release is caused from meditation or a spontaneous rising, fear cancels the process and brings everything to a very low level as well as grinding to a halt.

It's like, why would you ever be there anyway?

You're basically on a HIGHWAY evolving through your daily life as long as you are making good decisions every day that are testing you and challenging your knowledge of your self.

Why would you ever pull over or just stop in the middle of the road!? So fear is like that, bringing one's attention away from what's in front of them, or focusing on one thing.

Originally Posted by a224

I am scared to do DMT it sounds way too crazy for me. Maybe on my deathbed or if I'm drunk.

And it's funny.

Get yourself to a state of open awareness where you are in allowance of what's natural and you have no fear. And you'll have no need or desire for the illusion of ego that protects us from such illusory fear.

And yes, sounds affect the mind and the brain. Why do you think they play a tribal chant or drumming beat while a person is on their way out? Because the sound works for that, it helps to carry one through, to entrain the brain to a frequency and hold it there. Like when one is sleeping and it happens naturally because there is nothing to focus on but being tired.

Imagine falling into that state, but not being tired, simply turning off the switch so your body is fully within your control and you realize the feeling of tiredness is not you and not your consciousness, but a certain presence within the physical body itself.

So then, you see the body is asleep and there is nothing that can be done physically to be more or less tired and so then you notice a slight tingling as the brain disconnects your conscious perception from your body. And you being to feel the warmth and floating sensation that is accompanied with what comes next.

And you do this until it becomes a conscious application of will, just as easy reading a book. Simply waiting until you get to each state and each sign.