People and their failings with the english language.

[Cliche Guevara]

Now I'm not really talking about people who can't speak English, the people that I am referring to are generally very well versed in common day to day "vernacular" speech.

The problem comes (and I've noticed this in the more 'intellectual' forums) when these people are writing something that requires an opinion or something technical, and these people are butchering the English Language. And I am growing tired of trying to decipher posts because I can't understand the point they are trying to make, until I have read the paragraph like a half a dozen times.

I've been reading some Orwell and He has some very good points and note that this thread is essentially an abridged version of his essay with his main points pointed out and sprinkled with my thoughts and rantings. I have condensed the main points, because I assume if I posted the entire essay, no one would read it and I would not have any one to discuss this with. http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm

Anyways a quote.

Now, it is clear that the decline of a language must ultimately have political and economic causes: it is not due simply to the bad influence of this or that individual writer. But an effect can become a cause, reinforcing the original cause and producing the same effect in an intensified form, and so on indefinitely. A man may take to drink because he feels himself to be a failure, and then fail all the more completely because he drinks. It is rather the same thing that is happening to the English language. It becomes ugly and inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts. The point is that the process is reversible. Modern English, especially written English, is full of bad habits which spread by imitation and which can be avoided if one is willing to take the necessary trouble. If one gets rid of these habits one can think more clearly, and to think clearly is a necessary first step toward political regeneration: so that the fight against bad English is not frivolous and is not the exclusive concern of professional writers. I will come back to this presently, and I hope that by that time the meaning of what I have said here will have become clearer.

Some of the things he mentions that I find relevant and apparent today. These are things that I am often guilty of as well and something I try and keep in mind when I write.

pretentious diction I often come across posts where people are being vague and using absurd grandiose phrases simply because they want to come off as more intellectual, why say things like a la instead of due to. Why say "In my opinion it is not an unjustifiable assumption that..." when you can say "I think" The point Orwell is making is that why eliminate the use of one word verbs and replace it with a less precise 'phrase'.

Further, sometimes the entire point the person is making can often be summed up in 3 or less words, but instead the person fashions this long paragraph with pre-made phrases and latin all that jazzy business.

Bad writers, and especially scientific, political, and sociological writers, are nearly always haunted by the notion that Latin or Greek words are grander than Saxon ones

He also has a section on Meaningless words:
In some contexts the words you use have NO meaning whatsoever, you cannot use words like "alive" or "romantic" when critiquing art (so says orwell), It not only obscures your actual meaning so that no one can ever disagree with you, it makes you come off like a pompous ass. Because of you people, words like "democracy" and "fascism" have completely lost their meaning, in that democracy does not mean America, and fascism does not mean "dislike"

Stale Imagery Reusing old metaphors that have been seen hundreds of thousands of times by the reader does not do what a metaphor is supposed to do, it makes you seem smart is what it does. A metaphor is supposed to assist thought, something only a fresh, newly formed one can do.

bad metaphors : free peoples of the world, stand shoulder to shoulder, bullshit about yonder horizons and sunsets.
good metaphors: One that I've used before "you might as well be fucking mother Teresa in the ass while giving the Nazi salute while rubbing a Hitler moustache on your face with the shit from her ass hole"


Besides the above "swindles and perversion" Orwell mentions one more ridiculous aspect of the English Language and creates a hilarious parody.

Other Perversions

A biblical verse in "good english"

I returned and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

Translated into 'modern english'

Objective considerations of contemporary phenomena compel the conclusion that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account.

The point he is trying to make is that "no one capable of using phrases like "objective considerations of contemporary phenomena" -- would ever tabulate his thoughts in that precise and detailed way."

To form your paragraphs in such a absurd manner you are making a farce out of your so called intelligence. To Orwell the English language has moved away from trying to convey clear and concrete messages but instead
"gumming together long strips of words which have already been set in order by someone else, and making the results presentable by sheer humbug"

So please do not use ready made phrases unless they are so apt it would be stupid not to use it and Do not say " In my opinion it is not an unjustifiable assumption that..." when you can say "I think"

In the last few pages of the essay he leaves the reader with a few rules.

(i) Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.
(ii) Never us a long word where a short one will do.
(iii) If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
(iv) Never use the passive where you can use the active.
(v) Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
(vi) Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.

"language [is] an instrument for expressing and not for concealing or preventing thought" and I would like to add is not a way for you to make yourself seem smart.

/end rant.

tl/dr: Stop shitting on the English language ass holes.

edit: I also would like to make it clear, I am by no means saying "dumb down everything to the vernacular" In some situations the best word really is surmise or envisage but it some cases the best word really is just plain old think. It's up to a good writer to make the distinction.

[The English Gentleman]

I agree, I like Orwell concise and short writing style which still conveys great richness. However I do think that metaphors and other extensions of a sentence can add worth even if it is not directly quantifiable (i.e. the amount of information said longer sentence conveys).

[Cliche Guevara]

Well yes, a fresh metaphor could do just that. My example of a fresh metaphor (see above) does make the sentence longer, BUT it has the added benefit of "assisting thought".

However old, stale metaphors like "the cats out of the bag" or "over the horizon", what the fuck do they mean exactly. It does not provide a clear image, we only know the meaning of the metaphor because we have seen it so many times. Thinking about a cat coming out of a bag does not help you with the thought that the truth has now been revealed. (which is the meaning of the metaphor)

[psychomanthis]

With english not being my native language, when i make a post i am constantly trying to be as comprehensive as possible. So that all you native english speakers know what i am trying to say.

So i guess this doesn't apply to me, or does it?

[Star Wars Fan]

native (AAVE) english speaker here..and lol. at least it isn't people bitching about Ebonics, imspeak, chanspeak and 1337speak..

[Cliche Guevara]

Originally Posted by psychomanthis

With english not being my native language, when i make a post i am constantly trying to be as comprehensive as possible. So that all you native english speakers know what i am trying to say.

So i guess this doesn't apply to me, or does it?

No because your entire experience with the English language is trying to be as clear as possible.

[Cliche Guevara]

Originally Posted by Star Wars Fan

native (AAVE) english speaker here..and lol. at least it isn't people bitching about Ebonics, imspeak, chanspeak and 1337speak..

Nigga If you actually did speak AAVE you nigga ass would be talkin like dis yo.

Don't be reppin what you ain't, nigga. Or imma bust a cap in yo kneecaps.

LOL

[psychomanthis]

Originally Posted by Cliche Guevara

your entire experience with the English language is trying to be as clear as possible.

So, how am i doing so far?

[Angry Blue Bird of Death]

English isn't even your first language. /fail

[Cliche Guevara]

Originally Posted by Angry Blue Bird of Death

English isn't even your first language. /fail

/fail

[Cliche Guevara]

Originally Posted by psychomanthis

So, how am i doing so far?

I cant even tell english is not your first language! (excellent use of the comma after so)

[The Backdoor Man]

If you really want to do something about it you should start compiling the 12th edition of the Newspeak Dictionary.

[Cliche Guevara]

Id prefer to keep my "caring" confined to a tiny thread in a tiny forum on the internet. +1 to you if your name is a door reference.

[The Backdoor Man]

Thats no way to live.

[Mantikore]

cant we just say that the language is evolving?

[Cliche Guevara]

That is also what Orwell was saying but he thought the english language was evolving in a way where prose is moving away from concreteness but rather to conceal or preventing thought.

This is especially true in politics. An example he uses

A politician, when defending the russian totalitarianism cannot outrightly say "I believe in killing off your opponents when you can get good results by doing so." , for obvious reasons.

But when he says

"While freely conceding that the Soviet regime exhibits certain features which the humanitarian may be inclined to deplore, we must, I think, agree that a certain curtailment of the right to political opposition is an unavoidable concomitant of transitional periods, and that the rigors which the Russian people have been called upon to undergo have been amply justified in the sphere of concrete achievement."

This softening up of the point, is like a euphemism in itself, "A mass of Latin words falls upon the facts like soft snow"

Anyways that was not my point, the main point I was making is that when you are making a post, try and be clear and concise as opposed to pretentious and pompous.

[The English Gentleman]

Originally Posted by Mantikore

cant we just say that the language is evolving?

Is it, I mean the growth of text speak like 'tat' and other wank, is that really evolution?

[Borat]

I just like to keep things simple. I'm like the modern day "Hank Hill".

[The Horror]

Good read, that. I agree that vague statements are often attempts at deceit, a form of euphemism.

[Mantikore]

Originally Posted by The English Gentleman

Is it, I mean the growth of text speak like 'tat' and other wank, is that really evolution?

But what if the reason we are against the new changes in the language is because we are not used to it?

Im sure a lot of people in the past may have been against the changing of the language to what it is today

[The Horror]

^^ This thread isn't about language evolution, it's about ambiguity. Orwell isn't arguing for a "proper" language, he's arguing for concise and meaningful literature.

[Cliche Guevara]

Originally Posted by The Horror

^^ This thread isn't about language evolution, it's about ambiguity. Orwell isn't arguing for a "proper" language, he's arguing for concise and meaningful literature.

Yup.

[The English Gentleman]

Originally Posted by The Horror

^^ This thread isn't about language evolution, it's about ambiguity. Orwell isn't arguing for a "proper" language, he's arguing for concise and meaningful literature.

I hope you are not questioning my master plan.

[The Horror]

^^ This thread isn't about your master plan, it's about ambiguity.

[Duelist]

In my opinion it is not an unjustifiable assumption that this thread is full of fail, a'la every other thread on zoklet.

[Cliche Guevara]

Originally Posted by Jeff_Hunter

In my opinion it is not an unjustifiable assumption that this thread is full of fail, a'la every other thread on zoklet.

I'm glad you read the thread or at least the middle of it

[Star Wars Fan]

Originally Posted by Cliche Guevara

Nigga If you actually did speak AAVE you nigga ass would be talkin like dis yo.

Don't be reppin what you ain't, nigga. Or imma bust a cap in yo kneecaps.

LOL

nigga what

see my signature, reppin da south syde.

[Toothlessjoe]

Good thread.

The mark of good writing in my opinion is to reach your target audience though and the only way you can do that in many cases is to understand your audience.

Think of grammar and style as analogous to, say, table manners. Grammatical "rules" have no absolute, independent existence; there is no law to punish you for using "whose" when "of which" is more proper, just as manners have no organisation to massacre people who eat their salads with fish forks. You can argue, of course, that the other fork works just as well (or even better), but both the fork and the usage are entirely arbitrary and conventional. Your job as a writer is to have certain effects on your readers, readers who are continuously judging you, consciously or unconsciously. If you want to have the greatest effect, you'll adjust your style to suit the audience, however arbitrary its expectations.

While that gives rise to what Orwell so brilliantly highlights--a self-perpeptuating, dumbing down of soceity it's important to note that a pedantic insistence on grammatical bugbears will only lessen an audience's respect for you in some instances. There are occasions when "ain't" is more suitable than "is not", and the careful writer will take the time to discover which is the more appropriate. Otherwise we will reach a polar opposite to now that Orwell also brought to our attention: Newspeak.

[The Methematician]

Originally Posted by Cliche Guevara

....irrelevant fecal matters removed.....

First of all....I heard your asian ??? rite ?? If yes, then :

[a] It had automatically removed all your rights to bitch and moan about English, and the proper/improper way to use it. Cos it's not your's. Not your language, doesn't belong to you,....and you ..... and your ancestor had certainly contributed nothing to it. In fact.... fact...not even an Englishman/woman have the rights to come here and bitch about the use/misuse of the english language....despite the fact that they're native speaker of it,...and despite they can be ..... in some way,....be construed as the actual "owner" of the English language...

Why ???....well, ask SOTB our resident britphag. I'm sure I had explained to him well .....

Also you might consider reading "English at the onset of the normative tradition" by some guy.

[b] Even Shakespeare can't use english properly, but I don't see people, academics, or linguists bitch and moan about him.

So,....who u say u r again ???

Conclusion :

GO FUCKTH THY SELF....

[Toothlessjoe]

Originally Posted by The Methematician

First of all....I heard your asian

What were you doing with his Asian? are they better to own than blacks?

[The Methematician]

Originally Posted by Toothlessjoe

What were you doing with his Asian? are they better to own than blacks?

[a] I c your "attempt to commit hi-jack / acts of hijacking" here ....

[b] Yes,...their more intelligent and easier to control.

[Cliche Guevara]

Originally Posted by The Methematician

First of all....I heard your asian ??? rite ?? If yes, then :

[a] It had automatically removed all your rights to bitch and moan about English, and the proper/improper way to use it. Cos it's not your's. Not your language, doesn't belong to you,....and you ..... and your ancestor had certainly contributed nothing to it. In fact.... fact...not even an Englishman/woman have the rights to come here and bitch about the use/misuse of the english language....despite the fact that they're native speaker of it,...and despite they can be ..... in some way,....be construed as the actual "owner" of the English language...

Why ???....well, ask SOTB our resident britphag. I'm sure I had explained to him well .....

Also you might consider reading "English at the onset of the normative tradition" by some guy.

[b] Even Shakespeare can't use english properly, but I don't see people, academics, or linguists bitch and moan about him.

So,....who u say u r again ???

Conclusion :

GO FUCKTH THY SELF....

Lol I have been speaking English all my life what the fuck does my ancestry have to do with anything? Language doesn't belong to anyone you fucking moron, its not a tangible object that you can own. I have every right as a speaker of the language to complain about dumb fucks like you who insist on butchering the language whether its because they are stupid and uneducated (like you) or because they want to show off an air of intellectualism.

People don't 'bitch and moan' about Shakespeare because he spoke in old English BECAUSE AT THE TIME THATS HOW ENGLISH WAS SPOKEN back when Shakespeare was about. Maybe your argument would make a little sense if Shakespeare was around today and spoke in old English.

For you to say non british speaker of english has the right to complain about idiots like you destroying the English language could be about the stupidest thing I've ever read. A) English evolved from Germanic, Latin and Greek roots so the only people who could 'own' the language (if such a stupidly retarded concept was even possible) are now long dead. (and I don't mean Greece or Germany)
B)Nobody contributes anything when it comes to the natural evolution of spoken word. Just because you 'lived' in an era where/when that language was spoken doesn't mean you contributed anything. That is like saying that your dumb fuck self invented the light bulb because you are white.The fact that your grandparents spoke english has no bearing on your grasp and ownership of the language. I really fail to see how British people 'own' the English language.

The fact that my ancestors 'contributed' nothing, is such a dumb, ignorant thing to say. None of our ancestors contributed anything, language evolves in a natural way from other languages. And clearly, even though my ancestors didn't speak English, I learned English like you did and it is my first language (and apparently I learned it better than youjudging by your horrible grammer/punctuation and sentence structure and your incapability to recognize verb tenses, )

Go fail somewhere else

Oh then again I'm sure you as a random dick on the internet knows more about the politics of the English language than George Orwell.

[slowdown]

Good points, Cliche. I feel like I'm guilty of this, but I try to simplify.

I think I have horrible skills of putting a series of sentences together in a simple yet artistically pleasing fashion. Hopefully that makes some since. I just hate the way I write.

[The Methematician]

Originally Posted by Cliche Guevara

Lol I have been speaking English all my life what the fuck does my ancestry have to do with anything?

YES....it does...., it's quite clear from this post of yours that what you actually have is IDENTITY CRISIS. I mean, being a non-white,....living in a white country and...AND knowing nothing about your ORIGINAL culture and language, and being a minority, you feel the need to stand out from the rest, by voicing something out way loud.... consistent with your minority status. The sad thing is that knowing nothing about your own culture and language and the lack of serious oppression towards your kind....unlike niggers who *USED* to have "evil whitys" to go up against and to stand up to, ....you have nothing and no choice but to adopt something else.....something else that you know of, and sadly,.....it's English language you have chosen.....

Yea...I know all about you and your need to "defend and upheld" something......anything.....

Language doesn't belong to anyone you fucking moron, its not a tangible object that you can own.

I thought that had been clearly established in my post.....

Suggestion : reread my post.

I have every right as a speaker of the language to complain about dumb fucks like you who insist on butchering the language whether its because they are stupid and uneducated (like you) or because they want to show off an air of intellectualism.

NO YOU DON'T. Just like you can't complain the way I fuck *MY GIRLFRIEND*,... or how I want to paint *MY HOUSE*...... if it doesn't belong to you.....you have no right to complaint. STFU.

People don't 'bitch and moan' about Shakespeare because he spoke in old English BECAUSE AT THE TIME THATS HOW ENGLISH WAS SPOKEN back when Shakespeare was about. Maybe your argument would make a little sense if Shakespeare was around today and spoke in old English.

AGAIN.....NO. Shakespeare have been using bad English *EVEN* by the normal standard of english in *HIS* days. And any well educated person *IN HIS TIME* would know this. The fact remains : NONE GIVES A SHIT.

For you to say non british speaker of english has the right to complain about idiots like you destroying the English language could be about the stupidest thing I've ever read.

I DID SAY THAT ???? WHERE ???

A) English evolved from Germanic, Latin and Greek roots so the only people who could 'own' the language (if such a stupidly retarded concept was even possible) are now long dead. (and I don't mean Greece or Germany)

[a] It appears to me that you had phailed to comprehend and/or to form cognitizable cognition of the word "NOT EVEN" in my post.....sad.

Therefore it is safe to say at this point that although.....although knowing and having the ability to use perfect English doesn't guarantee ..... doesn't guarantee one's ability to *UNDERSTAND* simple english .....

[b] you forgot french.....asshole.

B)Nobody contributes anything when it comes to the natural evolution of spoken word. Just because you 'lived' in an era where/when that language was spoken doesn't mean you contributed anything.

WRONG....again. EVERYBODY WHO SPOKE IT IN THE PAST DOES. Where do you think the term "xerox it" or "xeroxing" came from ????? eh ???? Have you never heard the phrase "coined the term" ??

Fact is, it's more likely for a white-english person who have a grandpa or grandma that had coined some term, or had added some verb....or adjective to the english language than say,.....your grandpa or grandma who live in a land far.....far away.....and speaking some other language.....you kno ???

That is like saying that your dumb fuck self invented the light bulb because you are white.The fact that your grandparents spoke english has no bearing on your grasp and ownership of the language. I really fail to see how British people 'own' the English language.

ONE WORD : reread my post. ALSO, DO : search dicktionary : "not even".

The fact that my ancestors 'contributed' nothing, is such a dumb, ignorant thing to say. None of our ancestors contributed anything,

Wha...

language evolves in a natural way from other languages.

your saying that language evolve by itself ?!?!?!?, without the help of it's speakers in the ancient past ????

WHOA..... I... I need to sit down...

And clearly, even though my ancestors didn't speak English, I learned English like you did and it is my first language

SO,....how does it feels like to be a non-white to defend a white language so vehemently and so.....so....vigorously...and for what ???

To make your self appear more acceptable to them whites ?? So that they don't call you chink no more[*] ???? So that you feel a kinda virtual-acceptance here, in internet community ??? Have you no shame not being able to speak *YOUR OWN LANGUAGE*, and I'm not even talking about writing/reading your own language here...

O,....dignity, where art thou ???
[*]-yea...I know it's semantically incorrect...

(and apparently I learned it better than youjudging by your horrible grammer/punctuation and sentence structure and your incapability to recognize verb tenses, )

YES. WHITE LANGUAGE PRIDE FOR YOU. What's next ??? I bet you want to prove to us you can lynch more niggers than a white can....dint ya...???

Go fail somewhere else

i c........

Oh then again I'm sure you as a random dick on the internet knows more about the politics of the English language than George Orwell.

If you *understand* what he wrote, you wouldn't be making this thread in the first place.......

[Cliche Guevara]

LOL A for effort. (not really though)

Actually I can speak my native language (korean) very fucking well. Its funny though how your obviously subpar brain came up with the conclusion that a person can only speak one language. Protip: not everyone is as stupid as you. I'm not defending shit you illiterate douchebag, Im just pointing out when idiots like you try and use big words, its fucking hard to understand and that fucking morons like you should just stick to simpler smaller syllable words.

lol Its clear you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about with Shakespeare, with the evolution of language and frankly its fucking hilarious watching to bend over backwards trying to defend that original garbage you clearly pulled out of your ass. (btw french had no influence on modern english, your backwards uneducated self only thinks so because they share a common ancestry)

You have no fucking clue what you're even rambling on and on about. I seriously laughed when I read your pathetic attempt to claim the English language for the white race.

Is that what you actually think that you have more right to speak a language because you are white? Do you actually believe that anybody who learned the language is automatically unqualified to discuss the finer points of the language they took the time to learn because they don't meet the race requirements? Give me a fuckin' break, you fucking cracked out stupid cunt. I'm pretty sure nobody in your family tree had the brainpower to even 'coin a term' anyway.

also, "reread my post" isn't fucking one word(something the owner and rightful master of the english language should know )

I can't wait to see what kind of stupid cracked out nonsense you come up with next.



seriously you need to start learning your verb tenses (maybe dropping out of elementary school wasn't such a good idea). It's really hard to take you seriously when you say things like "your need to defend and upheld anything".

Before you start claiming the English language for your people, maybe you should learn it first. Seriously Its actually hilarious watching you claim and defend your right to the English language with the ability of a down syndrome immigrant.

[The Methematician]

Originally Posted by Cliche Guevara

LOL A for effort. (not really though)

Sadly I could only gives you a B+ for assholism,

Actually I can speak my native language (korean) very fucking well.

But still.....still....you shamelessly proclaimed English as your *FIRST* language. Asians who still have their sense of pride...or dignity, would claim english as their SECOND LANGUAGE....with their native language as their first......same goes for white Germans....Italians......etc etc....

[b] Worse still, your an inferior asian......KOREANS....bwhahhahahhah what a joke. The asian with the least achievements.

Q:What did the koreans invented in the past that were useful to the world ???

A: --*nothing*---

Its funny though how your obviously subpar brain came up with the conclusion that a person can only speak one language.

So...how many did you speak ???

Protip: not everyone is as stupid as you. I'm not defending shit you illiterate douchebag, Im just pointing out when idiots like you try and use big words, its fucking hard to understand and that fucking morons like you should just stick to simpler smaller syllable words.

Perform fellatio on me.....

lol Its clear you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about with Shakespeare, with the evolution of language and frankly its fucking hilarious watching to bend over backwards trying to defend that original garbage you clearly pulled out of your ass.

i c your bad gmr......

(btw french had no influence on modern english, your backwards uneducated self only thinks so because they share a common ancestry)

RENDEZVOUS...RENASCENCE....

You have no fucking clue what you're even rambling on and on about. I seriously laughed when I read your pathetic attempt to claim the English language for the white race.

Did I ??? Where ??? I challenge you to prove it,......

Is that what you actually think that you have more right to speak a language because you are white?

No...and neither did you....

Do you actually believe that anybody who learned the language is automatically unqualified to discuss the finer points of the language they took the time to learn

YES....

because they don't meet the race requirements?

[a] even more so..

[b] It appears to me that you had yet again......phailed your comprehension....sad..

Give me a fuckin' break, you fucking cracked out stupid cunt. I'm pretty sure nobody in your family tree had the brainpower to even 'coin a term' anyway.

Perhaps.....but even if your family did have the brain power to do so,....they won't be logically possible to do so.....cos they're living in a shithole known to us as KOREA,.....ar ha ha ha ha....

also, "reread my post" isn't fucking one word(something the owner and rightful master of the english language should know )

But if I say it really-really fast,....and without the crippled-short tougue like you,....it is.

Oh,...btw, did your mom send you to a doctor to have your tongue surgically fix so that you can speak english a lil better ???? :ROFL:

I can't wait to see what kind of stupid cracked out nonsense you come up with next.

THIS : YOUR INFERIOR.

seriously you need to start learning your verb tenses (maybe dropping out of elementary school wasn't such a good idea). It's really hard to take you seriously when you say things like "your need to defend and upheld anything".

seriously you need to suck a dick....

Before you start claiming the English language for your people, maybe you should learn it first.

LIKE I SAID,...PROVE WHERE/FROM WHICH POST DID I TRY TO CLAIM ENGLISH AND FOR WHO ??

Seriously Its actually hilarious watching you claim and defend your right to the English language with the ability of a down syndrome immigrant.

But least i'm not a filthy IMMIGRANT,....like you.

what is this ?? r u 12 ???

[Cliche Guevara]

I really didn't think you make yourself seem like more of a fucking deranged, nonsensical crackhead. I guess you proved me wrong.

[The Methematician]

pfffftt.....koreans. your not even a real chink.

[Cliche Guevara]

haha you're so fucking broken man.