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Old 03-13-2010, 11:12 PM
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Question Tor vs. VPN?

I had a quick question, I was wondering would Tor or a VPN be better for staying anonymous online?

If a VPN is better what are some reliable offshore connections?

Thanks in advance to anyone with helpful information!
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Old 03-13-2010, 11:22 PM
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Tor is free, VPN's are not.
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Old 03-14-2010, 06:47 PM
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Tor is free, VPN's are not.
This is a perfect summation of the argument.

To directly answer your question, VPN's do provide better protection, but you must weigh that against the cost. It really depends on what risky behavior you're doing and how important anonymity is to you.
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Old 03-15-2010, 12:22 AM
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There is a free program called hotspot shield it keeps you hidden online better then tor / vpn

it also bypasses any webfilter even the newest web filters and server based web filters.

http://hotspotshield.com/

tor is ok but it this is much better
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Old 04-11-2010, 12:20 AM
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HotspotShield is a VPN

The best way is to setup a proxy chain using your own vics and run everything through that.
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Old 04-11-2010, 03:51 PM
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VPN's are also tied to your payment data. So for real high risk stuff, use both, on a wifi network far away from where you normally are. All of this within a liveCD with a spoofed mac.

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Old 04-11-2010, 03:55 PM
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VPN's are also tied to your payment data. So for real high risk stuff, use both, on a wifi network far away from where you normally are. All of this within a liveCD with a spoofed mac.

This.

Generally, I'd say TOR is safer than a VPN though.
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Old 04-11-2010, 04:30 PM
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There is a free program called hotspot shield it keeps you hidden online better then tor / vpn

it also bypasses any webfilter even the newest web filters and server based web filters.

http://hotspotshield.com/

tor is ok but it this is much better
Thats not exactly true.
The Fortinet FortiGate-100A firewall blocks all the ports except 443 and 80. Then it also checks packets and other fancy shit which causes it to block hotspot shield.
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Old 04-12-2010, 07:43 AM
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Thats not exactly true.
The Fortinet FortiGate-100A firewall blocks all the ports except 443 and 80. Then it also checks packets and other fancy shit which causes it to block hotspot shield.
Yes, but thats a firewall. Packet inspection does jack shit with encryption.
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Old 04-12-2010, 05:54 PM
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Yes, but thats a firewall. Packet inspection does jack shit with encryption.
I see
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Old 04-15-2010, 09:49 PM
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VPN's are also tied to your payment data. So for real high risk stuff, use both, on a wifi network far away from where you normally are. All of this within a liveCD with a spoofed mac.

anytime you purchase a vpn or some similar service in an attempt to cloak your identity do yourself a favor and pay through a fake paypal or take the extra five minutes to go to the nearest 711 and buy yourself a visa vanilla gift card which is a prepaid credit card that comes in $25 $50 and $100 and you can monitor how much is left in the card on visa vanillas homepage. Because lets be real, when you buy a vpn with your real info to h4x through at the end of the day you cant help but feel a little stupid.

For vpn's my personal fav is swissvpn.com
and for ssh and other kinda shells i use sh3lls.net

there both like $5 bucks a month, dont be cheap.
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Old 04-16-2010, 04:52 PM
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anytime you purchase a vpn or some similar service in an attempt to cloak your identity do yourself a favor and pay through a fake paypal or take the extra five minutes to go to the nearest 711 and buy yourself a visa vanilla gift card which is a prepaid credit card that comes in $25 $50 and $100 and you can monitor how much is left in the card on visa vanillas homepage. Because lets be real, when you buy a vpn with your real info to h4x through at the end of the day you cant help but feel a little stupid.

For vpn's my personal fav is swissvpn.com
and for ssh and other kinda shells i use sh3lls.net

there both like $5 bucks a month, dont be cheap.

Also, if you are going for Shell/VPN services find a good one and buy that shit a year at a time. Don't do this month by month basis it just leaves more of a paper trail if you ask me even if you use other methods for payments, which not all allow BTW so choose a service carefully. I'm a paranoid fuck so everything counts. The goal in security isn't to be untouchable or even uncrackable in some cases with encryption. With time anything is possible, but the ultimate goal is to set up enough barriers to make the effort not worth while.
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Old 04-16-2010, 05:13 PM
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There is a free program called hotspot shield it keeps you hidden online better then tor / vpn

it also bypasses any webfilter even the newest web filters and server based web filters.

http://hotspotshield.com/

tor is ok but it this is much better
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AnchorFree may deliver third-party advertisements (“Advertisements”) within the content of any web page accessed. Advertisements may be injected into the top of the page, inserted directly into the page content, or even displayed to overlay the page. You hereby acknowledge and consent that AnchorFree may alter the content of any web page accessed for the purpose of displaying Advertisements. Additionally from time to time, AnchorFree may prevent any user’s access to the product or continued use thereof until such user has successfully participated in applicable advertising programs, surveys, or other activities that collect and monetize users’ personal information. AnchorFree does not endorse any information, materials, products, or services contained in or accessible through Advertisements. Accordingly, your correspondence or business dealings with, or participation in promotions of, advertisers found on or through the Service are solely between You and such advertiser. Access and use of ADVERTISEMENTS, including the information, materials, products, and services on or available through ADVERTISEMENTS Sites is solely at your own risk." fragment from EULA
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Old 04-16-2010, 05:19 PM
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anytime you purchase a vpn or some similar service in an attempt to cloak your identity do yourself a favor and pay through a fake paypal or take the extra five minutes to go to the nearest 711 and buy yourself a visa vanilla gift card which is a prepaid credit card that comes in $25 $50 and $100 and you can monitor how much is left in the card on visa vanillas homepage. Because lets be real, when you buy a vpn with your real info to h4x through at the end of the day you cant help but feel a little stupid.

For vpn's my personal fav is swissvpn.com
and for ssh and other kinda shells i use sh3lls.net

there both like $5 bucks a month, dont be cheap.
I think you mean http://www.swissvpn.net not .com
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Old 01-09-2011, 02:10 PM
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why not try vpn
such as vpntraffic
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Old 01-09-2011, 10:15 PM
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VPN's are also tied to your payment data. So for real high risk stuff, use both, on a wifi network far away from where you normally are. All of this within a liveCD with a spoofed mac.

Not if you paid with a prepaid credit card that was sent to a PO box opened up with a fake ID. Combine that with everything else you just said and I'd say you're pretty anonymous

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or take the extra five minutes to go to the nearest 711 and buy yourself a visa vanilla gift card which is a prepaid credit card that comes in $25 $50 and $100 and you can monitor how much is left in the card on visa vanillas homepage. Because lets be real, when you buy a vpn with your real info to h4x through at the end of the day you cant help but feel a little stupid.
Can you just walk into the shop and pick those up? In my country you have fill in a form on their website and have the card sent to your address. Yeah not only do you get to monitor your money and transactions any time (as opposed to having to wait for the bill to come in), you get a new credit card number every time you top up so there isn't a whole lot of damage someone can do if they sniff your credit card details.

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I'm a paranoid fuck so everything counts. The goal in security isn't to be untouchable or even uncrackable in some cases with encryption. With time anything is possible, but the ultimate goal is to set up enough barriers to make the effort not worth while.
I like your line of thinking. A little paranoia goes a long way. A shitload of it.....

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Old 01-12-2011, 04:55 AM
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why not just set up traffic relays across the country? that'll be about $400-700 per relay a month for a cheap apartment and cheap internet
Because its fucking expensive...
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Old 01-13-2011, 04:48 PM
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Not if you paid with a prepaid credit card that was sent to a PO box opened up with a fake ID. Combine that with everything else you just said and I'd say you're pretty anonymous
Good luck getting that PO box anonymously and from what internet connection are you registering that vpn?
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Old 01-13-2011, 09:44 PM
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Good luck getting that PO box anonymously and from what internet connection are you registering that vpn?
Never tried getting a PO box but as far as I know they only ask for 1 or 2 pieces of photographic ID. I can register a vpn from any public wlan.
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Old 01-14-2011, 12:34 PM
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Taken from the USPS website....



4 Simple Steps to Find and Pay for a New PO Box online:

1) Find your Post Office location and desired box size.
2) Complete the online PO Box application.
3) Enter your credit card, review fees and application details, then submit.
4) Print the Online PO Box Application (PS Form 1093).

Start using Your New PO Box:

In order to start using your new PO Box, you need to go to the Post Office where your box is located to pick up your keys (or combination number) and present your printed PO Box Application form (PS Form 1093), a copy of your emailed receipt, and two forms of acceptable identification. One form of ID must contain a photograph. Your ID must be current, contain sufficient information to confirm that you are who you claim to be, and be traceable to you.

Note: Social Security cards, credit cards, and birth certificates are not acceptable IDs.

Acceptable Photo IDs:

Valid driverís license or state non-driverís identification card
Armed forces, government, university, or recognized corporate identification card
Passport, alien registration card, or certificate of naturalization

Acceptable Non-Photo IDs:

Current lease, mortgage, or deed of trust
Voter or vehicle registration card
Home or vehicle insurance policy


http://www.usps.com/receive/business...oxesonline.htm

Good luck getting ID's necessary to open a PO box.
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Old 01-16-2011, 06:34 AM
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Good luck getting ID's necessary to open a PO box.
A fake drivers license and vehicle registration card is easy to get. The question is do they check the databases to see if the drivers license and vehicle registration are valid.
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