African American riots and the consequences.

[Captain Politik]

I will be discussing 2 riots that consisted of African Americans ( mostly ) rioting.


The first
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot

What ended up happening there could honestly be the reason why Detroits such a shit hole right now.

So there was 82 people in an unliscened club drinking, cops show up and arrest EVERYONE. After that small scale rioting and looting of coarse started around the area.

Within 2 days the president himself was forced to call the National Guard in.

Over 2,000 buisnesses were BURNED TO THE GROUND. The majority of them white owned. Those morons didnt relize that they were burning down there own neighborhoods. They didnt care as long as they stuck it to the white man.

After the riots what practically happend was a White Flight movement as insurance money was collected from the burned down buisnesses.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=3133,5210326


Now the white owners were showing signs of discrimination and all that I agree. But what ended up happening was the rioters simply burned down any non black buisness and essentially forced all the "skilled merchants" out of the city.



The second one is my favorite, and that would be the 1992 LA riots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

After Rodney King led police on a high speed chase woudl coudl have killed dozens of people, they procedded to beat the shit outa him. Oh did I mention he was on drugs while driving and after being arrested.

After all the trials for the cops and what not they were all found NOT guilty.

African Americans not relizing the stupidity of Rodney King who again could have fucking killed tons of people rioted in such a manor it overtook the Detroit riots as the worst riot in American History.

In a ironic fashion, King was later awarded 3.8 million dollars and is seen as a role model for all African Americans taht Justice will be served for all.

After recieving his money he opened a Rapping Label, Got arrested multiple times, once for beating his wife, and became a drug and alcohol addict

[xilikeeggs0]

Inner-city blacks have done things that made them look bad? No way!

[TheDarkRodent]

The 67 riots were of far greater significance in that the actions were mirrored in communities both large and small nation wide unlike the 92 L.A. riots.

[Former_Member]

Originally Posted by antonio123

After Rodney King led police on a high speed chase woudl coudl have killed dozens of people, they procedded to beat the shit outa him. Oh did I mention he was on drugs while driving and after being arrested.

Man, what you're implying is dead wrong. Criminals are bad (on the whole, when the law is sound) yeah, but that's what the judicial process is for; cops can't beat the shit out of people.

Furthermore, that clearly was not the motivating factor for the police. They did it because he was black, not because their sense of ethics were enraged at putting the public in danger.

[meta]

hmmmm interesting

[Captain Politik]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

Man, what you're implying is dead wrong. Criminals are bad (on the whole, when the law is sound) yeah, but that's what the judicial process is for; cops can't beat the shit out of people.

Furthermore, that clearly was not the motivating factor for the police. They did it because he was black, not because their sense of ethics were enraged at putting the public in danger.

so it was just a coincidence that they beat that one black guy, when they proabbly have had hundreds of chances of beating another one?

[Former_Member]

Originally Posted by antonio123

so it was just a coincidence that they beat that one black guy, when they proabbly have had hundreds of chances of beating another one?

no. the coincidence was it being caught on camera.
the problem was endemic, hence the riots.

[The Ninja]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

Man, what you're implying is dead wrong. Criminals are bad (on the whole, when the law is sound) yeah, but that's what the judicial process is for; cops can't beat the shit out of people.

Furthermore, that clearly was not the motivating factor for the police. They did it because he was black, not because their sense of ethics were enraged at putting the public in danger.

How do you know that the police did it because he was black? Were you in their heads as they were beating him?

Maybe you've never run from the cops before. I have, and I know that when they have to exert themselves one bit more than they feel they have to, it's going to piss them off, and any lenience they might have felt towards you will disappear. Taking them on a high-speed chase, endangering their lives and the lives of countless other civilians is pretty much guaranteeing yourself rough treatment when you're getting arrested.

[Former_Member]

which is completely unacceptable.

the police have a job to serve the public, not beat the shit out of people. punishment is for the courts, not angsty sociopathic police.

[JoePedo]

Unfortunately, paramilitarized force and mass destruction are as close to "democracy" as the US will ever come.

Seriously... COINTELPRO, assassinations, sabotage, and failure, or... arson?

[TheDarkRodent]

Originally Posted by JoePedo

Unfortunately, paramilitarized force and mass destruction are as close to "democracy" as the US will ever come.

Seriously... COINTELPRO, assassinations, sabotage, and failure, or... arson?

Let us hope the U.S. never gets close to democracy as that is a failed experiment proven disastrous by the ancient Greeks. But if what the U.S. is now is as close as we get to a true constitutional republic than I will be sad indeed.

[JoePedo]

Yeah... while I'm not entirely sure about the evils of the "demos," I would KILL - potentially literally - for the "constitutional" part of that...

Grr...

[TheDarkRodent]

Originally Posted by JoePedo

Yeah... while I'm not entirely sure about the evils of the "demos," I would KILL - potentially literally - for the "constitutional" part of that...

Grr...

I swore an oath to " KILL - potentially literally -" for the constitutional part

[Captain Politik]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

which is completely unacceptable.

the police have a job to serve the public, not beat the shit out of people. punishment is for the courts, not angsty sociopathic police.

I agree, but the riots were just retared broke niggers wanting free shit when you get down to the facts.

[Former_Member]

Originally Posted by TheDarkRodent

Let us hope the U.S. never gets close to democracy as that is a failed experiment proven disastrous by the ancient Greeks.

what?

direct democracy worked well for the Greeks, even if it wasn't truly democratic (slaves and women disenfranchised). It's collapse was nothing to do with it's political system.

[Name's Taken]

Yeah fucking racist white man beating on the black man for no reason.

[Former_Member]

Black people commiting crimes against white people does not excuse white police officers committing crimes against black people (or, any person in fact).

[TheDarkRodent]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

what?

direct democracy worked well for the Greeks, even if it wasn't truly democratic (slaves and women disenfranchised). It's collapse was nothing to do with it's political system.

W/E kid I am not going to get in another useless internet argument with someone who only comes to the board to win arguments regardless of the truth. Enjoy your opinion and I will enjoy the truth.

[Former_Member]

Originally Posted by TheDarkRodent

W/E kid I am not going to get in another useless internet argument with someone who only comes to the board to win arguments regardless of the truth. Enjoy your opinion and I will enjoy the truth.

that is absolutely not an acceptable defence. it deserves another thread really, but it's hardly in any way defensible to say Athenian-type Democracy was a disaster. if you think so, you have to substantiate your opinion.

Even if you could, we don't have democracy (as in, direct democracy) anywhere today so it's not even a valid comparison.

[TheDarkRodent]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

that is absolutely not an acceptable defence. it deserves another thread really, but it's hardly in any way defensible to say Athenian-type Democracy was a disaster. if you think so, you have to substantiate your opinion.

Even if you could, we don't have democracy (as in, direct democracy) anywhere today so it's not even a valid comparison.

I am not obliged to defend my opinion nor am I compelled to substantiate anything to you. I already stated I am not going to engage in an internet argument with you over anything ever again as it is what you live for. Therefore I will continue to deny you of your need to engage with others in your self indulgent desire to argue everything with anyone. Enjoy your day kid.

[Name's Taken]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

Black people commiting crimes against white people does not excuse white police officers committing crimes against black people (or, any person in fact).

It just irks me that a bunch of hood rat, knuckle dragging, spear chucking criminals can be so hypocritical.

[ZeroMalarki]

LAPD in the early 90s were comparable to the shadier elements of the RUC in the 80s.

[Former_Member]

Originally Posted by TheDarkRodent

I am not obliged to defend my opinion nor am I compelled to substantiate anything to you. I already stated I am not going to engage in an internet argument with you over anything ever again as it is what you live for. Therefore I will continue to deny you of your need to engage with others in your self indulgent desire to argue everything with anyone. Enjoy your day kid.

That's fine, but if you aren't willing to defend your points then you can't try to claim they are in anyway valid. Democracy was not a disaster in the Athenian City State, and that is pretty much the end of the story if you aren't willing to substantiate your point.

You might not be here to argue, but surely you aren't just here to make arbitrary statements and then refuse to stand by them under scrutiny? Such a thing adds nothing to a discussion.

[TheDarkRodent]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

That's fine, but if you aren't willing to defend your points then you can't try to claim they are in anyway valid. Democracy was not a disaster in the Athenian City State, and that is pretty much the end of the story if you aren't willing to substantiate your point.

You might not be here to argue, but surely you aren't just here to make arbitrary statements and then refuse to stand by them under scrutiny? Such a thing adds nothing to a discussion.

I can claim anything I wish and I don't need your approval or validation so piss off kid and go argue with someone else. You can make claims I can make claims but I am done arguing with you forever get it?

[Mudokon Farmer]

Originally Posted by TheDarkRodent

I can claim anything I wish and I don't need your approval or validation so piss off kid and go argue with someone else. You can make claims I can make claims but I am done arguing with you forever get it?

[TheDarkRodent]

Originally Posted by Mudokon Farmer

What does your sisters baby picture have to do with anything fucknuts?

[Mudokon Farmer]

Originally Posted by TheDarkRodent

What does your sisters baby picture have to do with anything fucknuts?

Holy shit, you're my sister?

...Holy shit, I have a sister!

...Shit.

[komokazi]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

which is completely unacceptable.

the police have a job to serve the public, not beat the shit out of people. punishment is for the courts, not angsty sociopathic police.

Pussy ass UK. They were serving the public, by scaring other niggers into not doing such stupid shit endangering other peoples lives. How niggardly of someone to do drugs and run from the police. Would probably happen to a white guy too, but only difference is white people on average have an IQ 20 points higher than that of a nigger, and therefore making decisions that will not result in such things happening, or not getting caught.

Rodney King was just a stupid nigger.

[Pooka]

Originally Posted by komokazi

Rodney King was just a stupid nigger.

No need to repeat yourself.

[Slapshot]

Originally Posted by antonio123

I agree, but the riots were just retared broke niggers wanting free shit when you get down to the facts.

There are a lot of social factors at play there. You have an entire population that can barely feed itself being surrounded and bombarded with images of disgusting wealth and opulence. On top of that, their economic mobility is effectively disabled by drugs, criminal records, racism, lack of education, etc.

It's like eating a $500 lunch in front of a starving family and blaming them for stealing some bread off the table.

[Slave of the Beast]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

which is completely unacceptable.

the police have a job to serve the public, not beat the shit out of people. punishment is for the courts, not angsty sociopathic police.

The police would serve the publicly greatly by beating the shit out of some of the trash whom the left-wing judicial system (in Britain) almost regards as 'victims of society', rather than what they actually are, i.e. fucking criminals.

[JustAnotherAsshole]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerner_Commission

[Former_Member]

Originally Posted by Slave of the Beast

The police would serve the publicly greatly by beating the shit out of some of the trash whom the left-wing judicial system (in Britain) almost regards as 'victims of society', rather than what they actually are, i.e. fucking criminals.

Being a 'victim of society' and 'criminal' aren't mutually exclusive. Many of the times they overlap, the first being a large cause of the second.

The system of crimes and penalties is indeed fucked up, but that's nothing to do with some sort of 'left-wing hijacking'. You could just as easily argue it's under a right-wing hijack, based on bullshit drug-related sentences.

In reality, if you aren't trying to put across a partisan viewpoint; I think it would much more accurate to say the problems of the justice system are rooted in traditionalism, populism and a pandering for short-term practical solutions.

[Obbe]

God is the only victim.

[pimpstrocity]

niggers do stupid shit all the time...

you really cant expect much good from them as a whole

[Slave of the Beast]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

Being a 'victim of society' and 'criminal' aren't mutually exclusive. Many of the times they overlap, the first being a large cause of the second.

The system of crimes and penalties is indeed fucked up, but that's nothing to do with some sort of 'left-wing hijacking'. You could just as easily argue it's under a right-wing hijack, based on bullshit drug-related sentences.

Yeah, 'cause all criminals are in prison on drugs charges aren't they?

The growth of exceptionally lenient sentencing and a non-punitive prison regime, as a consequence of endemic liberal hand-wringing (like the kind in your first two sentences), means recidivistic criminals have no serious reason to avoid prison.

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

In reality, if you aren't trying to put across a partisan viewpoint; I think it would much more accurate to say the problems of the justice system are rooted in traditionalism, populism and a pandering for short-term practical solutions.

Yeah, 'cause blaming traditionalism isn't a leftist viewpoint; constant revolution... nothing to do with us, comrade.

In reality the problem is the degeneration of traditional values and traditional punishments, which has resulted in the social(ist) shithole of a country we currently live in.

[DirtySanchez]

The sole reason the LA Riots happened was niggers saw a black guy getting beaten. They didn't even stop for a second to consider why this was happening . They just assumed racism where if they had looked into the matter just a little bit they would have realized the guy led cops on a high speed chase was high as fuck and then started resisting arrest. People like to leave out the resisting part. If your the cops you dont know what hes capable of if he has a knife or a gun. The fact is it was a perfectly legit take down and arrest but black people were to stupid to think anything but oh noo racism lets destroy and loot everything. People wonder why theres racism these two riots are good examples of why. Civilized people dont act that way over a dangerous criminal being arrested and beaten when he tried fighting them. What were the cops to do say" excuse me sir please stop resisting and let us cuff you"? There shouldnt even have ever been debate on rodney fucking king.

[Former_Member]

You're confusing detaining and arresting somebody, with assaulting them.

[DirtySanchez]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

You're confusing detaining and arresting somebody, with assaulting them.

No I believe you are the confused one. If someone is resisting the cops are authorized to use force to detain him. I'm no fan of cops but how were they to know he wasn't going for a gun or a blade or something. He also had two other passengers who were detained without incident. If the cops were just assaulting him for no reason why didn't they beat the other two as well.

[Former_Member]

Originally Posted by DirtySanchez

No I believe you are the confused one. If someone is resisting the cops are authorized to use force to detain him. I'm no fan of cops but how were they to know he wasn't going for a gun or a blade or something. He also had two other passengers who were detained without incident. If the cops were just assaulting him for no reason why didn't they beat the other two as well.

Have you seen the video? I have never said the police can't use force to detain somebody, and that that is the problem. You can't make up my argument because it's easier to refute.

Here is the video:
[YOUTUBE]tTCOaOjGBA8[/YOUTUBE]

That is not detaining a suspect who is resisting arrest, that is a video of police officers using weapons to beat a helpless man on the floor.