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Old 05-22-2010, 09:31 PM
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How to make $6K -$10K a month harvesting Catalytic Converters

So, times are tough – economy sucks, no jobs, etc. And a man has to make a living.

Well with a small investment and little risk one can easily make $6000 - $10000 monthly (maybe more) “harvesting” and selling catalytic converters.
Best of all, harvesting cats (catalytic converters) can be accomplished under the cover of darkness – no eyewitnesses and no cameras!

If you concentrate on high value converters (Large GM, Toyota, Lexus, etc.) you can make around $75 - $100 + from each converter you get. It takes less than 30 seconds to saw one off! As you can see, making $10,000 monthly is not hard to do.


What are Catalytic Converters and Why are they so Valuable:


A catalytic converter is a device located on the underside of the vehicle in the exhaust system used to reduce the toxicity of emissions from an internal combustion engine. It is usually located towards the front or middle of the vehicle before the muffler(which is located closer to the end). A “cat” provides an environment for a chemical reaction wherein toxic combustion by-products are converted to less-toxic substances. Many vehicles have 2 or more converters in their system. Due to the external location and the use of valuable precious metals including platinum, palladium, and rhodium, converters are an easy target for opportunists looking for quick money.
The most common use for platinum within the U.S. is for catalytic converter manufacturing. This precious metal is more scarce and worth more per ounce than gold!


Read this for more in depth info:
hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter
hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum
hxxp://www.kitco.com/charts/liveplatinum.html


What you need to get started:

1)DeWalt 18 Volt Cordless Reciprocating Saw - ~$200 (less on eBay)
hxxp://www.dewalt.com/tools/cordless-saws-reciprocating-saws-dc385k_2.aspx
Don't waste your time with other brands and models, none have the power level of this one.

2)Diablo 6 inch x 8/10 TPI Metal Saw Blade - $3.00 each
http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hardw...atalogId=10053
These are thicker than a normal saw blade and available at Home Depot. Look for the red ones.
Again, don't waste your time or $ with other brands these work, others will break!

3)Small flashlight or headlamp. ~$5.00

4)14 mm socket and wrench - ~$20.00
Most Toyota vehicles have bolt on Cats. At least one end can be detached with 2 bolts, the other end will usually need to be sawed.

5)Tailpipe cutter (optional) - ~$50.00
hxxp://www.autozone.com/autozone/inourstores/lat/latLanding.jsp?bodyContent=exhaust
You can get this from any Auto-zone loan a tool service. If it doesn't work for you they will buy it back from you at full price.

*** Jaws Hydraulic Shears - ~$3500
http://www.jawscutters.com/
This would be a professional set up to buy once you have enough money. Quick and quiet!
You could harvest 30 Catalytic Converters a day with this! $50K monthly income is possible!


Where to Get the Cat Converters:

Your hunting grounds should be anywhere there are large parking lots with lots of prey vehicles. Some are better during the day, and some better at night. Use your best judgment.

Some examples:

Malls
Shopping Centers (Walmart)
Apartment Complexes
Movie Theaters
Hospitals
Commuter Park-and-Ride Lots
Junkyards
Towing/Impound Lots
Colleges and Universities
Large Company's employee parking


You should focus your attention on trucks and SUV's. These types of vehicles have larger and more valuable cats to sell and they are higher off the ground and easier to crawl under to work.

The saw will be loud, but with the right blade and a fully charged battery, the cutting will be quick. On Toyota vehicles you can sometimes remove the cat without a saw. One just needs a 14 mm wrench and socket w/ratchet. The cat is connected by 2 bolts at each end.

The possibilities are endless. There are as many vehicles as humans in the U.S. Think about that for a moment.


Where do I sell my Cats?

You DO NOT want to sell locally. First of all, local places will pay you crap prices for your goods. But more importantly, most scrap yards these days will require and photo ID, finger print etc for anyone selling cat converters. And the police monitor their records also. You will be in trouble in no time if you go this route. Don't be a fool.
You will see some listings on eBay. But this is not a good option either. Once paypal investigates, they will block your account if you can't prove ownership. Plus, listing fees, final value fees, and paypal fees cut into your profits.

Worry not, though, you have better options out there.

You can ship your converters to companies that buy nationwide. The process is relatively quick and simple – no fingerprints, photo ID hassle – and the prices are much better for you.
One has to be patient though, it can take up to a week to get your money. But patience is rewarded.

If you ship 4-8 converters at a time you can box them and ship via UPS, FedEx, etc.
For 10+ it may be more economical to truck ship them using companies like RL Carriers, UPS Freight, Old Dominions Freight Lines, SAI Motor Freight, etc. Google them to find which have locations near you and call to get a rate quote.

Here are a few cat recyclers that buy from small sellers:

1. XXXXXXXXX Disregard. Apparently, they are no longer in business. Too bad; they had the highest payout prices.
2. hxxp://sellcatalyticconverters.com/ Decent prices. Payment process takes about 5 days to get your money.
3.hxxp://www.integritymetalscompany.com/ Reputable company. Kinda lower prices than others, though.


Some companies will issue a check, others will do paypal or even moneygram/western union to you.
Very easy to make $5-6000 a month doing this alone – and $10,000 ++++ a month if you have a partner and the jaws cutting shears listed above. You could even transform this into a legit business – visiting towing companies, muffler and mechanic shops and offering to buy their cats from junk vehicles!


Harvesting cats can provide you with quick cash fast with little start up cost and low risk. To be successful, one has to plan and research and always be vigilant for the police. Make your money and move on to the next big thing!


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Old 05-22-2010, 09:39 PM
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thats amazing but if only 75 each the risk involved in getting 6k - 10k profit a month goes up as you continue, eventually you will get caught it seems
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Old 05-22-2010, 09:56 PM
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What you need to get started:

1)DeWalt 18 Volt Cordless Reciprocating Saw - ~$200 (less on eBay)
hxxp://www.dewalt.com/tools/cordless-saws-reciprocating-saws-dc385k_2.aspx
Don't waste your time with other brands and models, none have the power level of this one.

2)Diablo 6 inch x 8/10 TPI Metal Saw Blade - $3.00 each
http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hardw...atalogId=10053
These are thicker than a normal saw blade and available at Home Depot. Look for the red ones.
Again, don't waste your time or $ with other brands these work, others will break!
This, I use the same setup, I love my Dewalt sawzall.

Farmyards are also a great place to acquire a few cats since most farms have multiple vehicles lying around, FYI though, diesel trucks a worth far less.

Another great place to score some cats is right on the side of the highway, peoples cars break down on the side of the road all the time and no one is likely to hear you working underneath the car while they speed by at over 70 miles per hour.
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That's one hell of a lot of risk for that monthly payment. You could spend $1000 on a hydroponics setup again and earn that every month for life too safely
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Old 05-22-2010, 10:54 PM
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That's one hell of a lot of risk for that monthly payment. You could spend $1000 on a hydroponics setup again and earn that every month for life too safely
so in other words your a dealer?
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so in other words your a dealer?
While I never said that, consider it though, wouldnt you rather do that than hang out in mall parking lots under cars waiting to get caught by the cars owner ready to stomp your skull in?

The risk is WAAAAY too huge on this to do $6k/$10k/mo.

Here's my Pepsi challenge: Do this. Seeya in 6 months. Guarantee you get caught.
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OP have you ever cut metal? Someone is going to hear that shit.

Also once this has been reported 20 times someone is going to figure out its you when you keep showing up to sell them. And dont say you'd sell it online either cause plenty of people got caught back in high school selling stollen shit online.
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Why don't you go steal some modern art?

Seems like much less effort.
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Not to mention the city you do this in all the police reports that get filed. 20 converters a day? Shit, that's a lot of cop calls.

Why not just steal the entire car once a month?
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Not to mention the city you do this in all the police reports that get filed. 20 converters a day? Shit, that's a lot of cop calls.

Why not just steal the entire car once a month?
Why not just get a job
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While I never said that, consider it though, wouldnt you rather do that than hang out in mall parking lots under cars waiting to get caught by the cars owner ready to stomp your skull in?

The risk is WAAAAY too huge on this to do $6k/$10k/mo.

Here's my Pepsi challenge: Do this. Seeya in 6 months. Guarantee you get caught.
i dont remember if ive said this before. but if you are a female dealer you now have to worry about being raped as well as robbed. but yes, i plan on being a dealer and never getting one thing put on my criminal record. the only thing i hate about weed is the smell brings so many arrests. fucking k9 dogs should go shoot themselves and we are all fine then.
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this shit was posted on rorta lol, hope you not turning into another illicit...

Nevertheless it is just bullshit, if you dont want to do this for a living and just some quick change, you bring bolt cutters and do this at the junk yard. 1 night, 2-3 people and use long extension cord to cars cig lighter, clean out 50-150+ so at least 5k-15k and then find a different line of work. Some places have towers and security guards but that is what tasers are for.

3 people all working for only 1 hour.

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Or if you cant get the balls to find more people and insist on doing it solo, go during the day, bring the tools and go to cars in specific lines or cars you memorize and cut them off but leave under the car hidden. Come back at night, just cut the fense and load up 20-30.
The end.
what the fuck are you stealing electricity out of the battery.. what is the point of hooking an extension cord to a cig lighter
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lol.... this is on front page
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http://www.jawscutters.com/
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Useless for a consistent flow of income. Great for one-time situations.

Cutting metal is incredibly loud, though.

As a new poster, I'm not really fully convinced you wrote this yourself, but regardless, its an alright write-up. Hydraulic shears would be awesome, though. I lol'd at the homepage, but they are using this for LEGAL purposes, not really (knowingly) catering to people buying them to obtain cats illegally.
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One thought i had was long term parking.
It could be days or weeks before it is ever reported.
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Get one of those chain tailpipe cutters... I think it would be almost silent. It only takes a quarter of a turn each way to make a clean cut.
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has anyone ever used these online places, are they really legit?
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30 seconds to saw off a cat? Yeah, right, I'd like to see you do that

Also, ever sawed metal? Try it and you'll wake up the whole neighborhood.
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Simple and realistic addition to an opportunists list of schemes. lmao at my boys who use a fucking saw though - HA HAH! Some of you boys are all balls - After reading this post though, I'm considering having a look for the right tool for the job - you know, something fast and QUIET... Just something to keep in the trunk for when I get bored of the other tricks. Sounds good for an extra 10k a year for a guy who doesn't want to spend more than a few weeks per year on this kind of shit. Good post.
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Well, here's the tool. Appropriately enough, it's called an exhaust pipe chain cutter.

http://www2.westfalia.net/shops/car_...ain_cutter.htm

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Get one of those chain tailpipe cutters... I think it would be almost silent. It only takes a quarter of a turn each way to make a clean cut.
Right on. You know what you're talking about. Here's a link for the others.

http://www.bosstoolsupply.com/index....D&ProdID=11865
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.....What you need to get started:

1)DeWalt 18 Volt Cordless Reciprocating Saw - ~$200 (less on eBay)
hxxp://www.dewalt.com/tools/cordless-saws-reciprocating-saws-dc385k_2.aspx
Don't waste your time with other brands and models, none have the power level of this one.....

.....5)Tailpipe cutter (optional) - ~$50.00
hxxp://www.autozone.com/autozone/inourstores/lat/latLanding.jsp?bodyContent=exhaust
You can get this from any Auto-zone loan a tool service. If it doesn't work for you they will buy it back from you at full price.


Hey op, good post and thanks for sharing this bad idea. Can you clarify why you use a saw even though you are aware of the quieter pipe cutter? and why is the pipe cutter optional? Is it only good for certain models?
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Hey op, good post and thanks for sharing this bad idea. Can you clarify why you use a saw even though you are aware of the quieter pipe cutter? and why is the pipe cutter optional? Is it only good for certain models?
I have no firsthand experience with the chain cutters, but if they work as advertised you're in business for only $50! Get busy, bro.

Some older vehicles have doubled-walled exhaust pipes, so that may be something to keep in mind.

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As a new poster, I'm not really fully convinced you wrote this yourself,
What the hell is that supposed to mean? I have to spend 10 years here as an apprentice before I'm able to contribute a decent post?
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My neighborhood is super quiet so this is a no go. Sounds nice. Rainy days would be good and late night constrution
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I'll definitely get started on something like this in the next couple months. I've been wondering for a while what the best method of taking the converters off was.
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I have no firsthand experience with the chain cutters, but if they work as advertised you're in business for only $50! Get busy, bro.

Some older vehicles have doubled-walled exhaust pipes, so that may be something to keep in mind.
Cool. I'm gonna go buy a section of muffler pipe and practice cutting it. I think the trick is finding a kick ass pair of chain cutters. Here's a link of chain cutters slicing through an iron plumbing pipe..... holy fuck! (little big for our purposes tho)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thNMNkuh59Q
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Anyone tried those tailpipe cutters yet?
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thats amazing but if only 75 each the risk involved in getting 6k - 10k profit a month goes up as you continue, eventually you will get caught it seems
This. You can get away with a few but the probability of getting caught is huge as you continue.

People are gonna report their CATs missing. Police are gonna be more alert for it on patrols. Cameras are everywhere now.

Also, the most likely, a nearby resident sees you roll under a car then walk away with something in hand. Now you don't even know they're on to you.

Finally, the market isn't that great. If you can find somewhere melting down the metals ie. farming a lot of CATs there is potential but I don't think it outweighs the risk.

You can't take an individual situation and extrapolate how you'd benefit if you did it 500 times.

I paid five bucks for this scratch ticket and won twenty. Wanna know how to make 400% profit legally?!?>!??

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After reading through this, I think it is a viable option for money, but you would have to be constantly travelling so that you don't stay in a hot area. This is something that I would call an opportunity crime, that you would probably do to get revenge against an enemy or something.
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For those of you who are looking for new tools besides the sawzall, here are some other options:

--Milwaukee M12 Hackzall. It's half the size of a sawzall (but just as loud). There's a youtube video of it being used, which i don't have the link for here. At least you can conceal this saw under your jacket.

http://professional-power-tool-guide...ckzall-review/

--Ratchet exhaust cutter. It looks cool and it fits in your coat pocket. And it can be operated with one hand! (tightened as well as the cutting/turning action) but it only has one cutting wheel so it will take more turns around the pipe to make the cut. Also it is a ratchet so it makes the telltale clicking noise:

http://www.toolsupplies.co.uk/catalo...de0da1a1806781

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai-KOzNHhWY

--Chain style exhaust cutter. It has fifteen cutting wheels so you just pull back and forth a few times and the pipe is cut. I would try and find a model that boasts a 3mm pipe max, rather than a 2.5 mm max though. I have only tried the ratchet cutter but I think this chain style would be my personal favorite because it has tons of wheels for faster cutting and it doesn't make any noise at all. Drawbacks of this tool versus the ratchet cutter would be two handed operation plus more fussing since you have to wrap the chain around the pipe and then fuck with the chain some more to get it into the little hook in the handle before tightening the chain. BUT you would get faster with practice.

http://www.toolsupplies.co.uk/catalo...de0da1a1806781

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEPSL91XgQQ

--Screwdriver handle exhaust cutter. This type of exhaust cutter has only four cutting wheels on it. It may have advantages over the chain style such as easier attachment and maybe easier tightening? (all of these tools have to be tightened as the wheels dig in to the pipe).

http://www.diseno-art.com/products/t...pe_cutter.html


--The bar style cutter. I would imagine all these cutters perform equally and deciding which is best is a preference of design, size and shape.

http://www.autotools.com.au/catalogu....php/10/80/815

Also the people who sell these tools usually fail to mention that you need a light cutting oil. Try and find actual cutting oil from a machine shop and don't get the dark stuff which is used for machine cutters. You want the light stuff which is used for hand threading screws. I'd say have some of this oil in a spray bottle or drip drop bottle with you. (you will not find this shit at the hardware store - call a machine shop )........(you could use wd40 instead of nothing if you don't want the best)

Note: these cutters are not all made equally. Some do NOT cut stainless steel and some have 2.5mm max pipe thicknesses while others have 3mm. 2.5 should be fine, but 3 indicates better cutting wheels

Also, none of these cutters will work on rusted pipe.

If you want to try these tools, buy an 18 inch length of exhaust pipe for 10 bucks, clamp it to your bench and practice cutting it into pieces at home until you're good at it.

And here is a thread you guys might like... mechanics discussing their opinion of these cutters.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/off-...they-work.html

ALSO: You need to see under that dark vehicle AND you need to disguise yourself a bit so get one of these so you don't have to carry a flashlight. They're nice because you can still use both hands to work with.

http://www.sz-wholesale.com/p/LED-Ca...at-181291.html

Personally, I thought this was a good gig but I tried going out the other night with my new ratcheting pipe cutter. I learned that going out for a quick drive and grabbing 5 cats is more trouble than i thought it would be. These things are just not worth enough money to me and getting lots of them is too much hassle.

I might come back to this idea one day if I can learn how to extract the platinum from the cats myself and sell it for what it's worth ($1600/oz) but it is pretty unlikely I'll ever have the time to learn that.

Extracting rhodium from certain cats (i think diesels are rhodium) would be nice ($3000/oz) but I haven't found anybody even talking about that on the web.

Here's a link discussing platinum extraction. The only possible method for average guys would be the crucible furnace and borax method mentioned by Chuck on page 2, but obviously he could be full of shit:

http://www.finishing.com/278/14-2.shtml

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I strapped a chain on a nissan maxima's catalytic converter and put the other end on a 4 runner and pulled that shit right off. Lol.
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how much would converters from a regular car be worth, just look outside your window onto the street and look at the parked cars. How much could you sell the shittiest one for. Im thinking about just going for everycar, but i need to know how much a shitty converter is.
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