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Default Armor, Machetes and Sniper Rifles: The Guatemala Thread; Redux

Basically, the idea here is to discuss the numerous ways in which we can all arrive at Guatemala (A Central American nation wrecked by violence and underdevelopment), depose the current, corrupt, an left- leaning government, and establish a democracy modeled after what the Founding Fathers had in mind.

Guatemala is a democracy currently, but the people are suffering under the daily onslaught of organized crime and corrupt, inefficient governments under the control of the organized crime movements.

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Last week a new wave of violence hit the country. Kidnappings skyrocketed and armed robberies have quadrupled. Now they're shooting people first and robbing them after.
Oh, and the gangs have started planting bombs on buses in retaliation for the owners of the transportation companies not paying them ransom money. Its starting to develop into a real war, except the government is literally letting the criminals walk and throwing anyone who dares attempt self- defense into jail.


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I'll sign up, I'll be a anschutz (in .22) wielding deadly and silent killer. Oh side jobs will be logistics using my battered up hilux, and wining and dining wealthy investors, while transporting them in the merc s class I hold the keys too.

edit: looks like the cash has fallen through, it will be a cz in 17hmr

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I'll throw in 2 years in the infantry and rifle/pistol training since I was 6.
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Old 01-22-2009, 09:23 PM
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Hi guys. sorry I havent been on much but my home connection refuses to load zoklets for some reason. So am logging from another place while I straighten that. But I´m still alive and breathing for those that wondered.
Glad to see this thread survive. Thanks Swede, you get a promotion in the GOG for that, as soon as we have a rank system .
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Hi guys. sorry I havent been on much but my home connection refuses to load zoklets for some reason. So am logging from another place while I straighten that.
Tried a proxy?
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Why not give a recap of the mission of GOG since this is a new site and not every one knows the deal?
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Old 01-23-2009, 09:37 PM
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I don't have any of the text saved, i hope Lava does, we'll see if he's got it.
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Old 01-25-2009, 12:08 AM
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Please elaborate on the mission of this, since I really can't go back to The Temple and check what the fuck you're talking about.
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Old 01-25-2009, 12:49 AM
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Basically, the idea here is to discuss the numerous ways in which we can all arrive at Guatemala (A Central American nation wracked by violence and underdevelopment), depose the current, corrupt, an left- leaning government, and establish a democracy modeled after what the Founding Fathers had in mind.
Sounds good no?

EDIT: Guatemala is a democracy currently, but the people are suffering under the daily onslaught of organized crime and corrupt, inefficient governments under the control of the organized crime movements.
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Aha. Sounds lovely, and similar to my idea of overthrowing Belize. But I'll do this.
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I'll sign up if you can wait until summer '10 (I don't turn 18 until October) and arrange transportation. Currently I don't have anything useful but a few basic supplies, but I have a shotgun I am hoping I could trade someone an accurate rifle for (I am a good shot). I am not very big, but with some training I would probably be the most athletic of everyone, already have a lot of dexterity, and am half Mexican so I can look semi-local (there are a surprising amount of Asians in Mexico/South America).

If we are successful and are not labeled as terrorists (you have better be right about there being money because Capitalism won't work without it, and the United States frowns upon Socialism [tempting to be another Che Guevara, though]), I will need to get back home too.

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I'll sign up, I'll be a anschutz (in .22) wielding deadly and silent killer. Oh side jobs will be logistics using my battered up hilux, and wining and dining wealthy investors, while transporting them in the merc s class I hold the keys too.
Something about all that seems fake.
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Old 01-25-2009, 02:17 AM
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just everything after the .22 is a lie but i got the same gun verry nice and verry acurate
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Old 01-25-2009, 01:28 PM
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Anschütz are very good rifles, shot with one of 'em in Härnösand last summer, it was all good.

Okay LavaRed, if you could offer transportation i could bring a Nissan Kingcab 87 4wd Diesel, a Winchester Model70 XTR, a Savage combi shotgun, some BDU's (M/90, M/65 and DPM), camo net and sandbags... I may get my hand on some combat vests and maaayyybeee one AK4b (google it).
When i think of it, i could maybe get some flak vests too.

XTR: 6.5x55 "mauser"
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I've also got some random stuff that may be of intrest.

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just everything after the .22 is a lie but i got the same gun verry nice and verry acurate
Not got the gun yet, still trying to get my FAC through. The S class merc is all true, with my dad in New Zealand for another couple of months I can provide a fleet of mercs, right down to some G wagons and a couple of non working G wagons for spares.
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Well, you can sign me up! I have experience flying small aircraft, mainly ultralights, even though I don't have one of my own. I guess I could just "borrow" one . I could try to get a larger aircraft, I think the controls are mostly the same, but I don't have a pilots license. I'm hopefully getting a sport pilot certificate here soon though. I also know a small bit about guerilla warfare and producing munitions.
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We need new recruits!
Howdy! I'd like to sign up for liberating the oppressed! It is the responsibility of concerned citizens to help our neighbors in need. I've been shooting since I could safely handle a firearm, I've done some competitive shooting and a bit of combat training as well.

I can't say I have great transportation, but what I lack in that I make up for with the firepower I can bring with me. I have a Remington m700 in 300WM with a Burris scope, an M4 with an Eotech sight on it, and a Styer STG58 (unfortunately in semi-auto.) For a sidearm I have a Kimber Gold Match II 1911 with which I'm proficient. I have a few other weapons people can use if they need them; a G3 with standard iron sights and an SKS and speaking of that I have 800 rounds of armor piercing 7.62x39 in sealed tins. I have various cartridges in .308 as well: Incendiary, frangible, and steel core armor piercing, all of these were hand reloaded as well.

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I can't say I have great transportation, but what I lack in that I make up for with the firepower I can bring with me. I have a Remington m700 in 300WM with a Burris scope, an M4 with an Eotech sight on it, and a Styer STG58 (unfortunately in semi-auto.) For a sidearm I have a Kimber Gold Match II 1911 with which I'm proficient. I have a few other weapons people can use if they need them; a G3 with standard iron sights and an SKS and speaking of that I have 800 rounds of armor piercing 7.62x39 in sealed tins. I have various cartridges in .308 as well: Incendiary, frangible, and steel core armor piercing, all of these were hand reloaded as well.
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Im under 18 and without guns but quite an expert with knives... I figure i would be more of a deception/super-spy kind of guy. So like people wouldnt expect me. And for transport i can get a gwiz (wtf) and an e class...
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I would like to enlist, as leader of the Great White Imperial Cavalry, or some other such pompous and chivalrous sounding regiment.

We need big hats, swords and colorful uniforms. And handlebar moustaches.
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definetly handlebar moustaches...And we need huge feathers coming out of out hats
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definetly handlebar moustaches...And we need huge feathers coming out of out hats
Indeed! And revolver side arms- old empire building weblys in .455.

And no horses under 16 hands tall. This is necessary to ensure that we are more easily enabled to ride into masses of people and slice away with our sabers.

We should look to the Don Cossack people as a model of fine Cavalry specimen.
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Okay, here's the deal. In addition to the rest of the practical logistics, one of our first and foremost considerations is that we need a battle standard, and a rallying cry. I also think we need some kind of artistically simple icon for our movement. It needs to be subtle enough that people can covertly paint it on their fence for example, to show support for the movement, but unique enough so it doesn't just look like random graffiti. It should have some basis on something that already exists and is common to the area, so enemy HUMINT doesn't just figure out that buildings with it sprayed on the side are actually safe houses.

So we need someone who is culturally familiar with our AO, and is also artistically inclined to come up with something. Remember, keep it low profile.
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I want a jaguar in the symbol. It blends numerological signicifance (number seven) of Christianity with the culture of the Mayan and Olmec civilizations, all coalescing into the Guatemalan nation of today.

Plus, jaguars are badass. Who wouldn't want a jaguar patch on their cammies?

The jaguar is a sneaky hunter. How best to describe a guerrilla fighter? Also, I blatantly googled this and liked it ;

"Jaguar stories also teach that power, by itself, is not enough.

Three jaguars were dying of hunger but didn't want to look for food. Rabbit asked, "Why are you complaining so, my friends? What of your claws and fangs?"

The jaguars protested against the work of hunting.


Rabbit offered to carry the jaguars into the forest if they would climb into a net. Once they were in the net, rabbit tied it shut, then found a long green guava stick and beat the jaguars. "You are built like great hunters, but you are lazy beasts.""
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Yarg, you're going to make me bring out the digital camera eh. I guess I can do this, I'll post pic(s) tonight after I finish cooking.
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A rabbit beating three jaguars with a guava stick is like Cartman beating the other two on the boat with a wiffle bat.
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Here ya go Reggie:

Taken on the terribly ugly carpet in the basement.



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Here ya go Reggie:

Taken on the terribly ugly carpet in the basement.



Well shit...

Now I feel inadequate.
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Ok. Reyin, you're in. Kudos on the swiss FAL. And all the rest of the stuff.
R_L, love the jaguar patch idea. I'll design it later.
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IDEA: Belize.

REASON: They are even more corrupted, they (to some degree) speak English, they have untapped oil reserves, and when we're done taking it over, tourism provides huge base capital for a capitalist economy.

There are less people to deal with. Consider this: Guatemala has 13 million people. Belize, with less people than Guatemala City, has 320 thousand people. While I whole-heartedly believe that Zoklet could take over Guatemala, I'm saying that it would be easier, more profitable, and better overall if we changed to Belize.

DIGRESSION: But I respect your ideas. Crashwangdoodle, I too have no guns. I also have no military experience. I have no certification to do anything.

But, I am a survivalist of sorts. I can tell you how to farm mangoes, sugarcane, and marijuana at your forts. I can tell you how to build a tree fort in under a day. I can tell you which parts of a person are nutritious to eat, if it comes to that.

Therefore, I express my rank as wilderness guide. Yes, like that creepy guy with the ponytail who works at the rapid adventures place.

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IDEA: Belize.

REASON: They are even more corrupted, they (to some degree) speak English, they have untapped oil reserves, and when we're done taking it over, tourism provides huge base capital for a capitalist economy.

There are less people to deal with. Consider this: Guatemala has 13 million people. Belize, with less people than Guatemala City, has 320 thousand people. While I whole-heartedly believe that Zoklet could take over Guatemala, I'm saying that it would be easier, more profitable, and better overall if we changed to Belize.

DIGRESSION: But I respect your ideas. Crashwangdoodle, I too have no guns. I also have no military experience. I have no certification to do anything.

But, I am a survivalist of sorts. I can tell you how to farm mangoes, sugarcane, and marijuana at your forts. I can tell you how to build a tree fort in under a day. I can tell you which parts of a person are nutritious to eat, if it comes to that.

Therefore, I express my rank as wilderness guide. Yes, like that creepy guy with the ponytail who works at the rapid adventures place.

I have gone over your proposal and I am sorry to decline. The reason is simple: Britsh Commonwealth. If you try to intervene in Belize, you'll have them over you in minutes. Think Falkland Islands style. We know because Guatemala made a couple of lukewarm attempts to retake Belize in the 60's or 70's (for those of you who didn't know, Britain acquired Belize from Guatemala through some shady diplomatic technicalities); Anyways, that's why Belize is not feasible. Especially when a Guatemalan is leading the op. It wouldn't look good.
And I'd prefer to fix up my country first. Then we can make a corporation to run the government, and only after it works can we offer to outsource the governments of other countries. Talk about increasing your market share.
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Question!
How are the guns laws in your country compare to the US?
Could a non citizen purchase arms easily?
Are automatics readily available? Is there a law concerning drop in auto sears?
Also how would your government feel about weapons testing (explosive munitions)?

One more thing, what kind of military force can the Guatemala government muster? In terms of numbers and equipment
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Would you all need someone with a knowledge of GIS, you know, to like help you plan attacks?
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Definitely, the more knowledge the better. Count yourself in.

And Carbonbased, the gun laws here allow no explosives or anything full auto. Registration of all weapons is mandatory, and a carrying license is an aditional privilege.

Update on Guatemala:

Last week a new wave of violence hit the country. Kidnappings skyrocketed and armed robberies have quadrupled. Now they're shooting people first and robbing them after.
Oh, and the gangs have started planting bombs on buses in retaliation for the owners of the transportation companies not paying them ransom money. Its starting to develop into a real war, except the government is literally letting the criminals walk and throwing anyone who dares attempt self- defense into jail.
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Lava, I can provide considerable resources, financially and logistically. PM me for details. I also have some experience and connections that may prove useful.



A few other things that need to be addressed...

a.) Training. Everyone here who wants to help need to purchase a rifle and a sidearm at minimum, and start practicing. I assume most of you live in the US. Purchase those two items and begin practicing daily. You'll also need to start working out. Nothing too fancy, stick with running, push-ups, and crunches. You'll also want to start gathering any and all military/survival equipment you can. Surplus military stores are a Godsend. NBC masks, Load-bearing vests, and BDU's are all good choices, though I'm sure we'll need civvies, too. I suggest the masks as a worst case scenario, but I don't believe the government has any of those weapons. Regardless, it doesn't hurt.

b.) Save money. Put aside a small amount and save up for the op. Self-explanatory.

c.) Lava, start talking to people that you know you can absolutely trust about this plan. We'll need as many natives as we can possily get, their personal contacts and knowledge of the AO will be invaluable. Only talk to people you know you can trust. How many people do you think you could gather? How many of them are armed or can be easily armed? How many have training or experience with combat?

d.) Lava, identify a general or other military officer that is well-liked and may have reason to dissent with the current government. The higher in rank the better. We basically need someone charismatic, who is in the public eye, that can be identified as someone with credibility. Their loyalty can be decisive to victory.


Also, in your PM, can you give me details about your current arsenal, financial resources, contacts, everything. Any information can be helpful. I understand it is all personal information, but I'll be better able to assess the situation when I have all of the details.
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Old 02-16-2009, 08:52 PM
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Lava, I can provide considerable resources, financially and logistically. PM me for details. I also have some experience and connections that may prove useful.



A few other things that need to be addressed...

a.) Training. Everyone here who wants to help need to purchase a rifle and a sidearm at minimum, and start practicing. I assume most of you live in the US. Purchase those two items and begin practicing daily. You'll also need to start working out. Nothing too fancy, stick with running, push-ups, and crunches. You'll also want to start gathering any and all military/survival equipment you can. Surplus military stores are a Godsend. NBC masks, Load-bearing vests, and BDU's are all good choices, though I'm sure we'll need civvies, too. I suggest the masks as a worst case scenario, but I don't believe the government has any of those weapons. Regardless, it doesn't hurt.

b.) Save money. Put aside a small amount and save up for the op. Self-explanatory.

c.) Lava, start talking to people that you know you can absolutely trust about this plan. We'll need as many natives as we can possily get, their personal contacts and knowledge of the AO will be invaluable. Only talk to people you know you can trust. How many people do you think you could gather? How many of them are armed or can be easily armed? How many have training or experience with combat?

d.) Lava, identify a general or other military officer that is well-liked and may have reason to dissent with the current government. The higher in rank the better. We basically need someone charismatic, who is in the public eye, that can be identified as someone with credibility. Their loyalty can be decisive to victory.


Also, in your PM, can you give me details about your current arsenal, financial resources, contacts, everything. Any information can be helpful. I understand it is all personal information, but I'll be better able to assess the situation when I have all of the details.

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Old 02-17-2009, 01:56 AM
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Default Re: Armor, Machetes and Sniper Rifles: The Guatemala Thread; Redux

Oh yeah, I came to zoklet after the death of &T, god rest it's soul, mostly to look for this thread. I joined in the original thread as a member of the assassin team under Groundhog Whacka, who I see is here as well. I will not relist my skills as that seems unnecessary, hopefully someone has a saved copy of the threads. However since then I have developed a few more skills most revolving around sabotage, weapons of biological nature, and I look bad ass in a turban when it's done so that back part hangs down and shades your neck especially when paired with a good pair of sunglasses. I'm also ordering a parts kit for a .223 AK krinkov in the next 2 or 3 minutes. WOO!!! I love the Jaguar idea, b/c I like jaguars, and leopards, and tigers, and most other big cats, but I digress.
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