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for a above average or higher end model. Im not talking about some crazy military only with a bunch of add-ons. Just the full autos that are common or somewhat common in civilian circulation but at the same time a model thats known to be above average to higher end quality.

maybe a list of average re-sale values on the type of full-auto guns im talking about? if you got questions, post please
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for a above average or higher end model. Im not talking about some crazy military only with a bunch of add-ons. Just the full autos that are common or somewhat common in civilian circulation but at the same time a model thats known to be above average to higher end quality.

maybe a list of average re-sale values on the type of full-auto guns im talking about? if you got questions, post please
Are you trolling? If not, a cheap ass mac 10 will run you about 5k and an M16 around 16k. Price depends on the person you are buying it from.
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In the US or in Canada?

I don't know anything about legalities of full autos or prices of firearms in Canada.

But, out of the full autos I would buy if I had the money?

Uzi - $8000

M16 lower - $15000
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Are you trolling? If not, a cheap ass mac 10 will run you about 5k and an M16 around 16k. Price depends on the person you are buying it from.
how could this possibly be trolling? its not controversial at all
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In the US or in Canada?

I don't know anything about legalities of full autos or prices of firearms in Canada.

But, out of the full autos I would buy if I had the money?

Uzi - $8000

M16 lower - $15000
yeah usa. what other models are there and price? and why do some guns like the ak-47(ive read) jump up by at least 10k when the only difference from its semi-auto counter-part is that its full auto?
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The reason a full auto AK is astronomically more expensive than a semiauto AK is because there are a limited amount of full auto firearms that are legal for civilians to purchase.

There was a law passed in 1986 that prohibits civilians from purchasing full auto firearms made after May 1986.

Every full auto firearm that you see advertised for sale to civilians was made sometime before 1986.

So it isn't like some guy could drill a hole and install some parts into a $400 Romanian AK and suddenly be able to sell it for $10,000.
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The reason a full auto AK is astronomically more expensive than a semiauto AK is because there are a limited amount of full auto firearms that are legal for civilians to purchase.

There was a law passed in 1986 that prohibits civilians from purchasing full auto firearms made after May 1986.

Every full auto firearm that you see advertised for sale to civilians was made sometime before 1986.

So it isn't like some guy could drill a hole and install some parts into a $400 Romanian AK and suddenly be able to sell it for $10,000.
i see so a major case of demand and a very low supply. so any other models with prices you can think of?
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Knock yourself out:

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i see so a major case of demand and a very low supply. so any other models with prices you can think of?
Exactly.

Effective 05/1986 there are no new transferable full auto sears for individuals like us.

What is out there is out there.

Therefore the prices typically go up each and every passing year or two.


The cheapest way in to the full auto game is a nice MAC.

Figure,

$5,000.00 approx.
$200.00 for the tax stamp for the full auto sear.
$50.00 +/- for transfer fees.

If you setup a trust to put your title ii firearms under I suggest getting an attorney (I did).

That will cost another few hundred.

The MAC / LAGE upper combination from my understanding is highly recommended.

I think the LAGE setups go for another five hundred.

Then you might as well add a suppressor,

$500.00 for a coastal mims (full auto rated).
$200.00 for the tax stamp for the suppressor.

As you can see it's not cheap.

I'm not sure if I will ever get a full auto due to the cost.

However you can dabble in the title ii game inexpensively when it comes to suppressors, short barreled rifles and shotguns, AOWs and destructive devices.

Example being my suppressors,

$500.00 for the evolution.
$200.00 for the stamp.

$250.00 for the passport.
$200.00 for the stamp.

$350.00 for the ultima.
$200.00 for the stamp.

Still a bit costly but a lot of fun. =)
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Feeding the full auto will take a big chunk of money as well.

Like everyone is saying, a few grand just to start out at the bottom. Tens of thousands for "average" full auto firearms, for instance AKs and M16s.

Not worth it to me, suppressors and SBRs is where I think the fun is at.
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The reason a full auto AK is astronomically more expensive than a semiauto AK is because there are a limited amount of full auto firearms that are legal for civilians to purchase.

There was a law passed in 1986 that prohibits civilians from purchasing full auto firearms made after May 1986.

Every full auto firearm that you see advertised for sale to civilians was made sometime before 1986.

So it isn't like some guy could drill a hole and install some parts into a $400 Romanian AK and suddenly be able to sell it for $10,000.



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Spend 500 on a semi-auto AK, buy a drum magazine, and bump fire it. Good enough and affordable
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Considering the cost it'd probably be cheaper to buy the machinery, take some classes and build your own.

I wish car owners had to put up with the same bullshit gun owners do e.g: No Automatic transmitions, Nothing with over 6 cylinders or 150KW, No mufflers, random checks to make sure your car is locked away in your garage with the fuel siphoned out and the steering wheel removed ect ect.
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IDK, how much do you think it cost to make somehting like this


Bonus points if you can name the part!

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This I would be okay with
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Bonus points if you can name the part!

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Lightning link.
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Bonus points if you can name the part!

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I think they sell Lightning Link "kits" on Gunbroker for $80.

It's basically a piece of metal roughly shaped like a Lightning Link, so it is not really considered a Lightning Link.

Pretty sure all they need is a little bit of filing to function.

However, full auto only is pretty worthless.
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14000 bucks for an ak. hell ya imma get that but idk how cuz california laws suck.
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I think they sell Lightning Link "kits" on Gunbroker for $80.

It's basically a piece of metal roughly shaped like a Lightning Link, so it is not really considered a Lightning Link.

Pretty sure all they need is a little bit of filing to function.

However, full auto only is pretty worthless.
That's why select fire lowers, sold with out the ability to fire automatic are legal right
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Considering the cost it'd probably be cheaper to buy the machinery, take some classes and build your own.

I wish car owners had to put up with the same bullshit gun owners do e.g: No Automatic transmitions, Nothing with over 6 cylinders or 150KW, No mufflers, random checks to make sure your car is locked away in your garage with the fuel siphoned out and the steering wheel removed ect ect.
I don't have a muffler.
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I think they sell Lightning Link "kits" on Gunbroker for $80.

It's basically a piece of metal roughly shaped like a Lightning Link, so it is not really considered a Lightning Link.

Pretty sure all they need is a little bit of filing to function.

However, full auto only is pretty worthless.
Not true, it's just a question of relativity. Some situations need it, some don't. And learning fire-control is a very important skill. With fire-control your full-auto only SMG can be a nifty 3-rd. burst weapon.

Lightning links are crap in my opinion. I had one made, put it in the AR-15 (SP1 series), needed to adjust it, overdid the adjustment, lost my patience, threw it away and just pulled out the M16A1. Besides, I keep the AR-15 with the .22LR conversion kit on these days. Tonnes of fun. And I really didn't need a converted full-auto AR-15 when I had the real thing now did I?
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Considering the cost it'd probably be cheaper to buy the machinery, take some classes and build your own.
Risk the prison time and fines if you are caught with a non reg nfa firearm?

That would suck eh?
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Risk the prison time and fines if you are caught with a non reg nfa firearm?

That would suck eh?
What is it with you and prison? This is at least the forth time I have seen you bring up "prison" in the past three days. You must be awfully lawful. You probably vacuum your entire house after you have guests over "just in case some microscopic cocaine residue falls off of them and the police find out about it."
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In Canada if you have a permit for them they are much cheaper than in the US. This is because there is a very limited market of a few people that have owned one continuously since 1975 when they were banned. And as they die the supply grows and the demand shrinks. The only way you could get a permit is to start a real film prop company with a business, licence insurance and all kinds of expensive stuff. Then you could not only buy from the collectors in Canada but import newly made stuff. When Marstar had their full auto prices listed I believe new MP5s were around $2000 and lease lend Tompsons were under $500.
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Risk the prison time and fines if you are caught with a non reg nfa firearm?

That would suck eh?
He's in Australia, life already sucks for him

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In Canada if you have a permit for them they are much cheaper than in the US. This is because there is a very limited market of a few people that have owned one continuously since 1975 when they were banned. And as they die the supply grows and the demand shrinks. The only way you could get a permit is to start a real film prop company with a business, licence insurance and all kinds of expensive stuff. Then you could not only buy from the collectors in Canada but import newly made stuff. When Marstar had their full auto prices listed I believe new MP5s were around $2000 and lease lend Tompsons were under $500.
I seriously think blank firing guns should be regulated like real guns. Why? Because once those fagots in Hollywood can't make their action movies with "AK FOTY SEBINS!!1!", their outcry will call for the legalization and deregulation of firearms.

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That's why select fire lowers, sold with out the ability to fire automatic are legal right
Wait, what?

If you remove full auto fire control parts from an AR15 lower that was machined to accept them, it is still considered a machine gun.
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What is it with you and prison? This is at least the forth time I have seen you bring up "prison" in the past three days. You must be awfully lawful. You probably vacuum your entire house after you have guests over "just in case some microscopic cocaine residue falls off of them and the police find out about it."
Thats what happens when you are a hard working citizen trying to conform with the rules and norms of our society. Laws have a deterrent effect. You should give it a try.
also the only reason hotbod made this thread is because his thread in I got infracted and I am mad was bumped the other day.

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You probably vacuum your entire house after you have guests over "just in case some microscopic cocaine residue falls off of them and the police find out about it."
How did you know?!
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Im not trying to be a smartass, but how does that work then that I can buy any of the above listed guns on the street at a quarter or less of the listed prices. One would think it'd be the opposite. I was brought to a warehouse that I think would make most of you guys cream your pants.
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Im not trying to be a smartass, but how does that work then that I can buy any of the above listed guns on the street at a quarter or less of the listed prices. One would think it'd be the opposite. I was brought to a warehouse that I think would make most of you guys cream your pants.
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Im not trying to be a smartass, but how does that work then that I can buy any of the above listed guns on the street at a quarter or less of the listed prices. One would think it'd be the opposite. I was brought to a warehouse that I think would make most of you guys cream your pants.
Easy,

Buy a non transferable full auto and risk doing time in federal prison if you get caught with it.

Buy a transferable full auto on stamped form four and not have to worry at all about your new toy.


I have a lot at stake and avoiding prison is worth the extra ($$$) to me.

Sure I could save some money your way but I would never be able to haul my toy around outside of my own home without a care in the world.

I would never be able to attend a public range and enjoy blasting away without fear that I would be confronted by someone.

Prison time means I would probably loose my automobile, motorcycle, firearm collection, other assets, job, girlfriend, family, etc.

Put it on paper and you have nothing to worry about.
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plus whats the big deal with making a 5-15 thousand dollar purchase when theirs no depreciation on the product value.
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plus whats the big deal with making a 5-15 thousand dollar purchase when theirs no depreciation on the product value.
Exactly!

Full autos tend to appreciate in value considering the supply is locked in.

However I just cannot justify spending that much money on a single firearm at this stage in my life.

Perhaps later on down the road I will grab a mac.

I would love a norrell trigger pack for my ten twenty two but last I heard those are averaging around seven to eight thousand if you can find one.

In the meantime I dabble in the poor mans nfa toys -- suppressors and short barrel shotguns and rifles.

Still much fun!

They however loose value unlike full autos.
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Exactly!

Full autos tend to appreciate in value considering the supply is locked in.

However I just cannot justify spending that much money on a single firearm at this stage in my life.

Perhaps later on down the road I will grab a mac.

I would love a norrell trigger pack for my ten twenty two but last I heard those are averaging around seven to eight thousand if you can find one.

In the meantime I dabble in the poor mans nfa toys -- suppressors and short barrel shotguns and rifles.

Still much fun!

They however loose value unlike full autos.
A DIAS would be great, but I have never seen one in the wild.
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I don't know why everyone doesn't do this, however, if you live in the United States, isn't it possible to:
  • Get a manufacturers or dealers permit
  • Purchase full autos at a fraction of the cost (eg a brand new full auto AR for less than $1000) because they are new, not rare and not exactly collectible and only transferable to military/law enforcement/other manufacturers/dealers
  • Use them for personal use and allow potential customers to test the guns (eg family, friends)
  • When you make a sale (if you ever do) then just order a new gun from the manufacturer (or make your own) and sell it on
  • You can only sell/transfer them to other dealers/manufacturers and military/law enforcement, but you still have your very own CHEAP, LEGAL machine guns that are BRAND NEW and not second hand.

Visit my blog you bastards. And tell your friends.
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I don't know why everyone doesn't do this, however, if you live in the United States, isn't it possible to:
  • Get a manufacturers or dealers permit
  • Purchase full autos at a fraction of the cost (eg a brand new full auto AR for less than $1000) because they are new, not rare and not exactly collectible and only transferable to military/law enforcement/other manufacturers/dealers
  • Use them for personal use and allow potential customers to test the guns (eg family, friends)
  • When you make a sale (if you ever do) then just order a new gun from the manufacturer (or make your own) and sell it on
  • You can only sell/transfer them to other dealers/manufacturers and military/law enforcement, but you still have your very own CHEAP, LEGAL machine guns that are BRAND NEW and not second hand.

Visit my blog you bastards. And tell your friends.
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I don't know why everyone doesn't do this, however, if you live in the United States, isn't it possible to:
  • Get a manufacturers or dealers permit
  • Purchase full autos at a fraction of the cost (eg a brand new full auto AR for less than $1000) because they are new, not rare and not exactly collectible and only transferable to military/law enforcement/other manufacturers/dealers
  • Use them for personal use and allow potential customers to test the guns (eg family, friends)
  • When you make a sale (if you ever do) then just order a new gun from the manufacturer (or make your own) and sell it on
  • You can only sell/transfer them to other dealers/manufacturers and military/law enforcement, but you still have your very own CHEAP, LEGAL machine guns that are BRAND NEW and not second hand.

Visit my blog you bastards. And tell your friends.
I don't think you can actually keep the guns though.

Like, if you don't renew your license you have to get rid of the guns.
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I don't think you can actually keep the guns though.

Like, if you don't renew your license you have to get rid of the guns.
Yeah but you can just renew the license.

I don't know the intricacies of it, but I'm sure if you want cheap, legal, brand new machine guns, that is how you do it.

Eg, a full auto AR for <$1000 brand new, or a second hand one, from the 70's, that has had 5 barrel changes and other stuff because it is old, for like, $20k.

I know what I'd be doing, and what is a better option.
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for a above average or higher end model. Im not talking about some crazy military only with a bunch of add-ons. Just the full autos that are common or somewhat common in civilian circulation but at the same time a model thats known to be above average to higher end quality.

maybe a list of average re-sale values on the type of full-auto guns im talking about? if you got questions, post please
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Are you trolling? If not, a cheap ass mac 10 will run you about 5k and an M16 around 16k. Price depends on the person you are buying it from.
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how could this possibly be trolling? its not controversial at all

OK, at the risk of being off topic in a forum moderated by one of the few staff members I have respect for I have to point something out to those with a short memory span.

About two months ago Hotbod engaged in a three page epic rant with me and 5.56 SS109 in a thread where he took the adamant position that even so much as handgun for home defense was a horrible option. In this thread he argued that I was a person who was simply looking for an excuse to kill someone and that he had an alarm system in his home. So that in the event of a home intrusion he would simply gather his family in one room, behind what he termed a "modern door" that could not be breached, and await law enforcement to be notified by his alarm company. He stated he felt perfectly safe and confident that this method would make him and his family much safer than a firearm would.

In this thread he was portending that firearms were awful and that nobody should own one. He was accused of trolling by not only myself and several others in that thread but also by 5.56 SS109. Accusations which he vehemently denied and portrayed himself as a died in the wool gun control advocate.

Now he is in the same forum inquring about pricing for fully automatic firearms. So either he was trolling a few months back, he is trolling now, or he has had an epiphany and is now a proponent of the right to keep and bear arms.

So now to get back closer to the OPs topic to some degree I must ask why he is looking for pricing on a machine gun.

Well why are you? Or is this just another fail troll on your part Hotbod?
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