On the matter of potential

[Ambient]

If I get horny, look up some porn, watch that porn, jerk-off, and bust a nut and jizz all over the place, and that jizz happens not to make it into a vagina, would that be the end of the world? Is that going over the line, or something which should be lamented, if all those tiny sperms don't make it to an egg. Say for instance one of them does. Whether or not that gestation is sucessful/complete, all the other millions of sperm never made it, they perished, and my body made more, and so on. In that way, as bill hicks explains, I have destroyed ENTIRE CIVILIZATIONS of people, destroyed ENTIRE UNIVERSES.

New life is often treated with an attitude of extremity. When we don't want it, we want to abort; new life is bad and something we should resent and be reluctant towards "oh but I have goals"... and we call that an "abortion". Then when it is something we want, "oh isn't new life marvelous, so fantastic", and then when it is relented, this we give the name "miscarriage". See how whimsical the human condition is?

I am of course talking about wires and this taboo (rule) which the administration haveforged and endorsed. I see Unwyred for instance, endorsing the taboo because he has buried a child himself. Boo fuckin' who; you wern't lamenting when someone elses child was dying all those days before you personally experienced it. It is not the moderators job to be over-emotional gonzo maniacs who rule according to whim. The reality is people die every day, are we gonna ban talking about death in general? Death is part of existence you fucking twats. It is said one death is a tragedy, whilst a million deaths is a statistic. Logically speaking, if we can't talk about the miscarriage or abortion or death of one person in particular, then that should be extended to those things in general! Which is of course absurd; reduction ad absurdum.

TL/DR: This is bullshit. Everyone who is pissed off, should start pissin' each other off in true totsean style. We should drench this mother-fucker in rage threads against this taboo.

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[DECI4]

I take issue with the whole "harrasment" charade as well.
Where were the admins and mods when everybody was following Pope around calling him fat? Where were the mods when most of BC was making Alicewut hate threads until she finally left? What about when Spectral was a mod and everybody was harrasing him?
All this talk about "harrasment" and "going over the line" is just empty rhetoric. Playing on peoples sympathies for one member while ignoring MANY others.
Its not one hated member that is the victim here. Its the community that is continually lied to, abused and censored by mods that take advantage of not having any oversight by admins who only come around when somebody is flaming one of their own.

[ILTST]

LONG LIVE TOTSE AND THE NUMBER 1 VALUE THAT IT STOOD FOR, FREEDOM OF SPEECH! Apparently this value is lost on the mods and admins here.

[Vizier]

That's what I loved about totse. The epic flames which included moderators, admins and regulars and nobody was being butthurt in the end for silly reasons.

[Midnight Sun]

eat my ball sweat

[Daily]

Potentially epic thread

[Former_Member]

Originally Posted by Vizier

That's what I loved about totse. The epic flames which included moderators, admins and regulars and nobody was being butthurt in the end for silly reasons.

Nostalgia. That never happened man.

While I agree with free speech, I have to condemn attacks about miscarriages or abortions. I guarantee, the death of a child is a fuck ton more mentally damaging than you ejaculating on your desk; and playing on that is nothing but malice, the kind of malice that brings us down as a species.

[Ambient]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

Nostalgia. That never happened man.

While I agree with free speech, I have to condemn attacks about miscarriages or abortions. I guarantee, the death of a child is a fuck ton more mentally damaging than you ejaculating on your desk; and playing on that is nothing but malice, the kind of malice that brings us down as a species.

What happened to "fuck it, it's just life". The death of a child is not neccessarily damaging. For instance, if you are the parent and you killed yer child, you might rejoice! Just as people celebrate and breath a sigh of relief after they willingly abort their burden that we call "a child". You're children are not special.

[Former_Member]

Yes, some people might. Most people would not, a fact with a lot of empirical evidence behind it.

Children may not be special on a grand cosmic sense, as of course, nothing is- but we are humans, with emotion that doesn't care for such grandiose (but ultimately meaningless and pathetic) reasoning.

[DECI4]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

Yes, some people might. Most people would not, a fact with a lot of empirical evidence behind it.

Children may not be special on a grand cosmic sense, as of course, nothing is- but we are humans, with emotion that doesn't care for such grandiose (but ultimately meaningless and pathetic) reasoning.

"Fuck it. It's just life."

[Bleeding Kansas]

tl:dr

[Vizier]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

Nostalgia. That never happened man.

While I agree with free speech, I have to condemn attacks about miscarriages or abortions. I guarantee, the death of a child is a fuck ton more mentally damaging than you ejaculating on your desk; and playing on that is nothing but malice, the kind of malice that brings us down as a species.

Well Mr. White Knight, I've said it before and I'll say it again, don't post shit you want to keep private on a forum like Totse and expect the world to have sympathy.

Call it malice, call it assholery, I don't care. You see where I'm getting at? I do not care. I've had close friends that lost children as well and you know what happened? They didn't act like uptight bitches to everyone nor adopted this victim mentality. They moved the fuck on and each one of them mourned in their own way and everyone respected them in the moment. Now, when you see someone, a seemingly "innocent" person as you would call get shot doing his job and leave a wife and a baby kid without a father you'd probably say, "oh, that happens every day. People die like that all the time. Big deal". Well I've got news kid, a miscarriage of a living being who isn't even self aware ain't got shit on the death of people whose family depended on.

It's life. That "a child, a life is a miracle" bullshit you grew up with? Lies. Yeah I may not have a child and I probably never will. So fuck it. The world is a cruel place and we are far, far from achieving something together as a single entitity as a species other than inventing the cheeseburger and landing on the moon a couple of times 40 years ago.

[WAN]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

Nostalgia. That never happened man.

While I agree with free speech, I have to condemn attacks about miscarriages or abortions. I guarantee, the death of a child is a fuck ton more mentally damaging than you ejaculating on your desk; and playing on that is nothing but malice, the kind of malice that brings us down as a species.

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

Yes, some people might. Most people would not, a fact with a lot of empirical evidence behind it.

Children may not be special on a grand cosmic sense, as of course, nothing is- but we are humans, with emotion that doesn't care for such grandiose (but ultimately meaningless and pathetic) reasoning.

As "damaging" as the death of a child is, it still shouldn't trump freedom of speech. Besides, according to your logic, I should be able to go cry to the adminstration about everyone who calls me chink, because it's "mentally damaging", and freedom of speech be damned

[Vizier]

I love it when WAN gets serious

[Headspin]

Free speech ftw

Now excuse me while I go beat off to my mother while gagging my baby sister with a cucumber.

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WAN with the qaulities you put forward 'a chink' would be a compliment to you

[Ambient]

Originally Posted by Daily

Potentially epic thread

You could even say it's pregnant. Let's wait and see if it miscarries or not

[Former_Member]

Originally Posted by WAN

As "damaging" as the death of a child is, it still shouldn't trump freedom of speech. Besides, according to your logic, I should be able to go cry to the adminstration about everyone who calls me chink, because it's "mentally damaging", and freedom of speech be damned

I haven't said anything about formally curtailing free speech. All I've said, it's malicious bullshit and those who do it deserve to be stigmatised and strongly encouraged not to.

The lack of moral fibre (essentially, the right to live) in this community is somewhat worrying.

[-SpectraL]

What you've all forgotten to take into account is that wires is special, and because she's special, she gets special consideration when it comes to the harassment thing. For example, the Queen of England... you don't seriously expect the Queen to wipe her own arse or cook her own meals, do you? Get real.

[Trousersnake]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

Nostalgia. That never happened man.

While I agree with free speech, I have to condemn attacks about miscarriages or abortions. I guarantee, the death of a child is a fuck ton more mentally damaging than you ejaculating on your desk; and playing on that is nothing but malice, the kind of malice that brings us down as a species.

It did happen I was a moderator and Jeff Hunter had to step in to stop me destroying sambob (pussied off), carbonB (pussied off)...fullcircle??imperfectcircle? Can't remember his name...the dumb cunt that modded Moving Pictures, man I nearly had his name in my head there for a moment...total douche nonetheless.

I even came here and saw jackketch had mouthed off whilst I wasn't around and had fucked off by the time I had returned.

Also MLoR (Super Mod? at the time) totally fucked up some shit for his departure...I don't know where I was when that shit broke loose.

I've killed too many brain cells to recall the rest...those are the main ones though from say late 2005-2009.

I always showed restraint in Green Planet and umm whatever the internet link board was called...I found it on the web? And it was welcome in B&M...loved modding B&M...PEOO is a disgrace to people with genuine gripes that are funny cause they are true.

I agree though, I seem to think wires was a bitch to me at least once but the whole hate on wires thing got old so long ago, and it's not even funny...just a bunch of dickwads trying to look hard and shocking.

[Former_Member]

You missed what I was saying. The 'nobody gets butthurt' as if flaming and such was all taken as a universal joke in good spirits.

Clearly, it was never true.

[WAN]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

I haven't said anything about formally curtailing free speech. All I've said, it's malicious bullshit and those who do it deserve to be stigmatised and strongly encouraged not to.

The lack of moral fibre (essentially, the right to live) in this community is somewhat worrying.

But do you agree with me that for the administration to do what they do to the people who mention abortion, they are in fact, curtailing free speech? As in, there are things that people can't mention on this board, or they face some sort of ill consequences?

I just want people to see that zoklet doesn't have true freedom of speech.

[Former_Member]

Of course it doesn't, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Posting personal information shouldn't be allowed, nor should spamming. There shouldn't be (formal) rules for suppressing the mockery of human tragedy, but I don't see a problem in removing the offending speech if it also constitutes personal information or spamming.

I'd also point out that the administration is not quite as draconian as you point out, otherwise this thread wouldn't exist. The way this place operates is flawed (aka, not identical to how I'd run it), but is based around a fairly solid foundation of ideals. The only real problem I see, is personality (some arrogance from the top), which more seems to inflame personal conflict rather than lead to mismanagement.

[WAN]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

Of course it doesn't, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Posting personal information shouldn't be allowed, nor should spamming. There shouldn't be (formal) rules for suppressing the mockery of human tragedy, but I don't see a problem in removing the offending speech if it also constitutes personal information or spamming.

How is wires' abortion personal information? she disclosed it herself to the forum. Also, definition of spamming? The way I see it, it's not one person repeated posting it over and over, it's many posters posting only one or twice. How does that constitute spamming? Or maybe you are just trying really hard to re-define pre-existing English words to legitimize the administration's obvious curtailing of free speech?

Also, how the HELL is it a human tragedy? Wires voluntarily chose to have an abortion. Nobody was forcing her and it wasn't like a medical condition where her body rejected the fetus or something. Seriously, tell me. What human tragedy do you speak of?

[Ambient]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

The lack of moral fibre (essentially, the right to live) in this community is somewhat worrying.

Life is a privelage and morality is for slaves.

[Former_Member]

Originally Posted by Devotion

Life is a privelage and morality is for slaves.

Devotion, that's the sort of unsubstantiated and ridiculous pseudo-intellectual, quasi-spiritual bullshit that makes people dislike you. It means nothing, and is not worthy of prolonged consideration.

[Former_Member]

Originally Posted by WAN

How is wires' abortion personal information? she disclosed it herself to the forum. Also, definition of spamming? The way I see it, it's not one person repeated posting it over and over, it's many posters posting only one or twice. How does that constitute spamming? Or maybe you are just trying really hard to re-define pre-existing English words to legitimize the administration's obvious curtailing of free speech?

Perhaps you're too partisan to not deliberately misconstrue the argument of another.

I didn't say it was, all I said is, is that dealing with such things is justified. If the attacks fall under such, then suppression of those attacks is justified. I did in fact clearly outline that (formal) suppression of free speech is unjustified.

[WAN]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

Perhaps you're too partisan to not deliberately misconstrue the argument of another.

I didn't say it was, all I said is, is that dealing with such things is justified. If the attacks fall under such, then suppression of those attacks is justified. I did in fact clearly outline that (formal) suppression of free speech is unjustified.

You can accuse me of whatever you want, it doesn't bother me, because I know it just means you are running out of argument.

Anyway, "dealing" with these things is justified, however it SHOULDN"T take on the form of free speech curtailment. People should be allowed to hurt others' feelings on a forum like ours, doesn't matter how much it bothers you personally. Do you agree or disagree? Also, you can call these speeches "attacks" all you want (probably because it makes it easier to curtail these speeches), however it doesn't change the fact that they ARE speeches and by forbidding people from saying these things, the administration is indeed suppressing free speech.

I will repeat, people should be allowed to say WHATEVER the fuck they want, even if in so doing they will be hurting the feelings of a longstanding administration team member. Do you agree, or do you disagree?

[Former_Member]

Originally Posted by WAN

I will repeat, people should be allowed to say WHATEVER the fuck they want, even if in so doing they will be hurting the feelings of a longstanding administration team member. Do you agree, or do you disagree?

I've said, now for the third time, there should be no formal rules against malicious free speech (or of course, any type of free speech).

You can't run out of argument btw, it's not how argument works.

[Dr rocker]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

You can't run out of argument btw, it's not how argument works.

Niether can you run out of bullshit, a fact which you have proved many times.

[Former_Member]

Originally Posted by Dr rocker

Niether can you run out of bullshit, a fact which you have proved many times.

Be advised that anger is fear announced.

NUR NURR NURR NURR NURRRRR.

[-SpectraL]

Originally Posted by Godfrey

...Quite frankly, it's embarrassing to read. ..

You've really moved up in the world, Godfrey. I'm quite proud of ya over here, man.

[Dr rocker]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

Be advised that anger is fear announced.

NUR NURR NURR NURR NURRRRR.

So?

[Headspin]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

Devotion, that's the sort of unsubstantiated and ridiculous pseudo-intellectual, quasi-spiritual bullshit that makes people dislike you. It means nothing, and is not worthy of prolonged consideration.

That;s because either a) someone reads into it too far or b) you guys take TEXT too literally.

[DaGuru]

"Potential" is way overrated......and in today's day and age with such horrific, neglectful, and selfish parenting.....there is just as good a chance that someone will grow up to be a worthless malcontent then anything productive or viable in this world.

Take Wires failed spawn.....if you believe the lie she was pregnant to begin with. Think of the traits we've seen her exhibit just in this community. Selfish. Irrational. Neglectful. Stubborn. Impulsive. Unstable. Insecure.

Now really and truly....what are the chances a silly trollup with so many negative traits would be able to sincerely raise a child to be a decent human being? Or would someone having to endure such an imbalanced and toxic mother end up with a whole host of problems and issues?

Spewing about "potential" is just more feel-good bullshit for naive folks that want to wish away the harsh realities of this dark and ugly world and pretend like it doesn't exist.

Whoever/whatever prevented Wires from having that kid did he entire world a huge favor....and society has benefited in countless ways that generations after us may never fully be able to comprehend.

[negative_zero]

i came on this thread

[-SpectraL]

Originally Posted by Godfrey

...I hope you read this, Wires.

You used to like her, didn't you?

[negative_zero]

everyone used to like wires

[DaGuru]

Originally Posted by negative_zero

everyone used to like wires

Beat me to it!

But yeah, Wires is that girl that "seems" to be nice upon first meeting....but given enought time being around her, she quickly makes more enemies then she does friends.

NO WONDER her and Zok are so attached at the hip.