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OK lets say that I am already connected to electric service.
A Meter Reader comes and reads my electric meter each month.

I would like to tie into the electric line before it reaches the meter and install a fuse box before the line enters my home, and an additional fuse box inside of my home for extra safety precautions.

The fuse box inside of my home would be run to a couple of 110v outlets and to my heating & air conditioner unit.

The main thing thing I'm interested in is free heat and air conditioning.

What would be the best way to conceal my connection and drop line?
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It would be pretty hard to conceal with your smouldering corpse laying a few feet from the box. That kinda thing draws alot of attention.
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A safer and stealthy method would be to simply determine when the meter is read. Then purchase a neodymium magnet and place it on the meter the day after it is read. This will slow the meter way down and reduce your bill. Just be sure to remove the magnet a few days before your meter is read so the meter reader can't spot it. Wash rinse and repeat monthly.
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The most clever idea I've heard of for stealing electricity was about an engineer utilizing inductive currents from a distribution line. He set up his own private line along side the power company's line that crossed his land. It was set close enough to capture the inductive current but never touched or crossed the other line, making it was completely legal. You'd just have to be smart enough to set it up without frying yourself and figure out the right size of transformer.
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A safer and stealthy method would be to simply determine when the meter is read. Then purchase a neodymium magnet and place it on the meter the day after it is read. This will slow the meter way down and reduce your bill. Just be sure to remove the magnet a few days before your meter is read so the meter reader can't spot it. Wash rinse and repeat monthly.

For a meter that looks like this:



Where do you put the magnet? What size & strength should the magnet be?
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Just stick it anywhere near that wheel which spins below the numbers. As far as the "strength" you could be certain with one like this which has 250 Lbs of pulling force.
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dunno if it's an urban legend or what
maybe someone here has heard or really knows

but for many years I've had couple friends swear that if you do this it can slow down your meter if its not the digital one.

1. get tube sock, pack it full of beach sand or just any good sand (not dirt)
2. get a large boiler and fill it with water and set it on stove to boil
3. dissolve as much salt as that water will hold till water is boiling
4. put the tube sock that is filled with sand and tied into pot.
5. let it simmer quite a bit, longer better.
6. remove sock from boiler
7. Lay sock across top of the glass.


supposedly from the urban legend I call it since I've heard it off and on all my life, it somehow causes condensation or salt to enter the meter and as salt water does to metal supposedly corrodes and slows things down, perhaps not enough for free power but supposedly enough to save money on your power bill. I've had 1 friend swear it works and he's 42.

but me personally I think it's just bullshit or perhaps the guy's bill did lower but I think it really lowered cause he was more aware of his electric bill thus the sock trick was more a placebo and he paid more attention to his power usage therefore decreasing his bill which made it look like the sock trick worked.


anyhow I have no idea if it works and I doubt it does
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never post a pic of your meeter! unless you white out your serial number!

now if you hava your meeter in the house instead of outside its a no brainer! most meters are wireless now! the only issue would be the initial disconnect and split without getting a shock!

if its ooutside you normally have a metal or plastic shroud that covers the line... is it an underground line or off a pole?

if you have the metal shroud from an arial line then get a ladder and remove the shroud and drill a hole into the house and get a line tap or coupler to TAP the line
similar to this on a larger scale http://www.dikkydo.com/jexracing/install.htm

make sure you get a big enough one and a big enough ling to handle the current you are going to draw...
and remember that the power that comes in is 220 the breaker box kicks it down to useable 110 so you need a new breaker box too
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if you go to a lowes, ace hardware, homedepot, tell them you want to UPGRADE your current system and have them show you everything you need for a fresh installl!

now i would do it this way... my meter is inside, so i would first get a second breaker box
a smaller one
then get an 220 outlet and place in line before the meeter, not using the ground in the line though, hook up a 3 way switch for the lines you want to get free energy on then run those lines to the new breaker box.
the new box you need to get a 220 power cord end that matches the outlet you just put in, get the same size power line and grounding wire,
put the power line into the socket end and hook up the breaker box

always hit the master switches off when disconnecting.... alternatively you could substitute the outlet with another switch/ breaker box...
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fyi the power companys eventually investigate when there is a significant power drain on a line in an area... thats how most house pot farms get poped, stealing electricity, they notify the police then the rest is history!
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It would be pretty hard to conceal with your smouldering corpse laying a few feet from the box. That kinda thing draws alot of attention.
Working with one line at a time and keeping yourself from becoming a conduit to ground by wearing linesman boots & gloves should prevent a body from becoming a smoldering corpse.

Grab 2 lines and BAM! Your right.
Grab 1 line and stand on bare earth and BAM! Your right again.

I'm talking about 2 100v, 300amp service drop from the transformer.
This is a twisted pair of lines wrapped to a bare suspension cable.
The suspension cable acts as common or ground.

There is about a 300 foot run from the transformer to the residential meter pole and it is all above ground.
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A safer and stealthy method would be to simply determine when the meter is read. Then purchase a neodymium magnet and place it on the meter the day after it is read. This will slow the meter way down and reduce your bill. Just be sure to remove the magnet a few days before your meter is read so the meter reader can't spot it. Wash rinse and repeat monthly.
Tried this but the internals are aluminum.
Aluminum isn't magnetic, so it doesn't work in my area.

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The most clever idea I've heard of for stealing electricity was about an engineer utilizing inductive currents from a distribution line. He set up his own private line along side the power company's line that crossed his land. It was set close enough to capture the inductive current but never touched or crossed the other line, making it was completely legal. You'd just have to be smart enough to set it up without frying yourself and figure out the right size of transformer.
This could work, but the line is only a wrapped pair of 100v, so the 200v I need would be next to impossible to achieve from induction coil.

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dunno if it's an urban legend or what
maybe someone here has heard or really knows

but for many years I've had couple friends swear that if you do this it can slow down your meter if its not the digital one.

1. get tube sock, pack it full of beach sand or just any good sand (not dirt)
2. get a large boiler and fill it with water and set it on stove to boil
3. dissolve as much salt as that water will hold till water is boiling
4. put the tube sock that is filled with sand and tied into pot.
5. let it simmer quite a bit, longer better.
6. remove sock from boiler
7. Lay sock across top of the glass.


supposedly from the urban legend I call it since I've heard it off and on all my life, it somehow causes condensation or salt to enter the meter and as salt water does to metal supposedly corrodes and slows things down, perhaps not enough for free power but supposedly enough to save money on your power bill. I've had 1 friend swear it works and he's 42.

but me personally I think it's just bullshit or perhaps the guy's bill did lower but I think it really lowered cause he was more aware of his electric bill thus the sock trick was more a placebo and he paid more attention to his power usage therefore decreasing his bill which made it look like the sock trick worked.


anyhow I have no idea if it works and I doubt it does
I also doubt the wet sock would work.
They switch meters out every couple of years in my location also.
So even if it does work, by the time the meter was corroded enough for
this to work, they'd slam a new meter into the base.

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never post a pic of your meeter! unless you white out your serial number!

now if you hava your meeter in the house instead of outside its a no brainer! most meters are wireless now! the only issue would be the initial disconnect and split without getting a shock!

if its ooutside you normally have a metal or plastic shroud that covers the line... is it an underground line or off a pole?

if you have the metal shroud from an arial line then get a ladder and remove the shroud and drill a hole into the house and get a line tap or coupler to TAP the line
similar to this on a larger scale http://www.dikkydo.com/jexracing/install.htm

make sure you get a big enough one and a big enough ling to handle the current you are going to draw...
and remember that the power that comes in is 220 the breaker box kicks it down to useable 110 so you need a new breaker box too
Basically the same principle, except the meter is outside.
I have a bunch of old fuse boxes rated for the current laying around
and wire that will handle the current without melting.

What I am looking for is a way to stealth the tap and secondary drop.

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fyi the power companys eventually investigate when there is a significant power drain on a line in an area... thats how most house pot farms get poped, stealing electricity, they notify the police then the rest is history!
They don't meter the individual lines in the area with several hundred transformers, thousands of street lamps on them.

Electrocution isn't a worry for me, but someone who's never fucked around with high amperage shouldn't try what I am suggesting.
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never post a pic of your meeter! unless you white out your serial number!
That's not my meter, it's a random pic off the internet.
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That's not my meter, it's a random pic off the internet.
i looked at the url and figured . but just good practice for anyone including op.
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Skygear is right. I need something like this:


Except with a slight modification.
I uploaded a sketch and it is in moderated cue right now.

Will try and edit it in when/if it is approved.

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Here is the sketch:

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I'm still going to have problems doing this stealthy.
Maybe some drop about the size of TV Cable run through a fuse box disguised as
or crafted from a CATV service box (locked) would hide the run into the house,
but a stealth connection to the main drop line is going to be difficult.
Somebody is bound to notice the stray drop off from the main sooner or later.
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OK lets say that I am already connected to electric service.
A Meter Reader comes and reads my electric meter each month.

I would like to tie into the electric line before it reaches the meter and install a fuse box before the line enters my home, and an additional fuse box inside of my home for extra safety precautions.

The fuse box inside of my home would be run to a couple of 110v outlets and to my heating & air conditioner unit.

The main thing thing I'm interested in is free heat and air conditioning.

What would be the best way to conceal my connection and drop line?
Uh...I'm gonna recommend you not try this. You're gonna fry your ass.

For someone who isn't an absolute pro with electricity, you want to go with the neodymium magnet.

Using the inductive current sounds kind of like a badass idea, though anyone without professional training should probably avoid it.
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OK
The sketch is still moderated, but here it is from another host:


This is what I need.
I need 2 of them.
There is no need to tap the 3rd wire (common/suspension/ground)
as it can be tied into rather innocently looking anywhere.

Now, any ideas on how to stealth the new drop?

BTW: Is there such a product like shown in the sketch on the market?
and if there is, where can I get two of them?
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Let me make this loud and clear. That line supplies 240 volts at nearly a kiloamp, or more than enough to BLOW YOUR FUCKING ARM OFF YOUR TORSO. There are 3 wires, 2 hot with 120V and one neutral, if you contact any two of those wires, forget it; your corpse will be found burning on the ground. It's the stupid things like this that force me to make a rare post on this site.

Do not do this! Steal some fucking solar panels if you want free electricity.
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Let me make this loud and clear. That line supplies 240 volts at nearly a kiloamp, or more than enough to BLOW YOUR FUCKING ARM OFF YOUR TORSO. There are 3 wires, 2 hot with 120V and one neutral, if you contact any two of those wires, forget it; your corpse will be found burning on the ground. It's the stupid things like this that force me to make a rare post on this site.

Do not do this! Steal some fucking solar panels if you want free electricity.
But only contacting ONE wire, taking proper precautions & using basic common sense will do nothing, right?

A bird can sit on an uninsulated 1000v line and yet fly away, unharmed.

Now if I wanted to be dangerous and reckless about this, I would use alligator clips and cut into the insulation so I could quickly grab my new drop and disconnect it when I see the utility man coming.
Probably using something stupid like underrated extension spliced and taped together... Like the text files advises.

Still no dice on advice for making the drop stealth?
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But only contacting ONE wire, taking proper precautions & using basic common sense will do nothing, right?

A bird can sit on an uninsulated 1000v line and yet fly away, unharmed.

Now if I wanted to be dangerous and reckless about this, I would use alligator clips and cut into the insulation so I could quickly grab my new drop and disconnect it when I see the utility man coming.
Probably using something stupid like underrated extension spliced and taped together... Like the text files advises.

Still no dice on advice for making the drop stealth?
i'm going to go to the hardware store and make a parts list for you! with pics to help. google image the type of "drop" you have to your house and post the image
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This is the type of main drop from the transformer:

It runs into a weather-head similar to this one:


if those pictures load up...


The easiest and likely safest place to tap would be at the weather-head
instead of having to break out fiberglass spacing tools, free of residue buildup.

I would like to tap at the weather-head, but if the meter reader looks up...
Maybe the wires could be disguised?
The splicers fit to look like the existing splicers?

Taping at the weather-head is definitely going to be the physically safer route.
Taping along the drop will be much more dangerous, but more stealth options.
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Dude...please don't fucking do this.













...but if you do, live feed to Zoklet? The sick fucks will appreciate watching you die.
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I will tell you what we did many, many years ago and got caught.LOL
but anyway. We were renting a house and the power was not on, it was going to cost alot to turn it on, so in the meantime, we stole a meter,round glass thingy,from a new house somewhere,not lived in. took it to our rent house and slammed it in the slot. instant power. Im sure it was dangerous but they did it?
then the power company happened to stop by and see it, they took it out and charged us with theft.
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My mothers electric bill is over $600USD a month.
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My mothers electric bill is over $600USD a month.
mine is about 400! so, id love to save on this one.LOL
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Try the magnet trick TheDarkRodent posted about.

My utility bill is around $170 a month. If we turn the heat up a degree in the winter it's $100 more so we keep the house kinda cold.
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Try the magnet trick TheDarkRodent posted about.

My utility bill is around $170 a month. If we turn the heat up a degree in the winter it's $100 more so we keep the house kinda cold.
somebody said the magnet will not work because the wheel is aluminum? Idk
what do u think.im willing to try this one
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what do u think.im willing to try this one
Bozo thinks there's no harm in trying. He'll try it out once he figures out what day span the meter reader comes around.
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OK lets say that I am already connected to electric service.
--snip--
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What would be the best way to conceal my connection and drop line?
Still no advice on concealing the connection and secondary drop?

How about if I used some artificial (all plastic (no metal inside)) vines to wrap around it?
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The trick to taping the wrapped lines will be spreading them apart.
Thankfully there is a tool which can be used for this.


if that picture loads... (it is much longer than pictured)

The local firemen use them to trip the main line breakers.
It is 100% fiberglass with rubber coating on each end.

Ideally I would trip the main breaker, but that would cause
multiple calls to the power co. and cause suspicion.

I will have to use this tool to spread the wires apart to avoid
touching more than one wire at a time.

This is where everyone is warning about getting cooked.
It would be very easy to get cooked at this step.

EDIT:
Here is what I have in mind by using the fiberglass tool:


if that image loads...

Of course the tapping devices are going to be smaller and more streamlined.
The secondary drop(s) will be running in the same direction unlike the picture.
The picture is just to illustrate the basic concept.

As explained above, but I'll explain again since I wasn't exactly trying to be an artist when putting that last sketch together.

The idea is to use a clean (carbon free) fiberglass tool with rubber coating tool to spread the lines apart so I can work with (and contact) only one line at a time in hopes of not getting roasted.

I have worked with high voltage before without incident, but never with an activity so complex.

Does anyone have any ideas for how to stealth the new drop and connection after it's completed.
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for what its worth the magnet trick doesnt work
B/C the wheel is aluminum? Bozo really wanted to try the magnet trick.

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it works, also having some dogs in the yard around the meter will insure the meter reader dont hang out long
Most meters are on the side of the house before the backyard fence starts... at least it's like that where I'm at. My utility company even requires dogs to be kept inside the house the day the meter reader comes by.
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Old 11-13-2010, 06:39 PM
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My mothers electric bill is over $600USD a month.
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mine is about 400! so, id love to save on this one.LOL
How large are your respective homes?
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Old 11-28-2010, 03:47 AM
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Are you still alive, dude?
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Old 11-28-2010, 04:18 AM
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unless something has happened recently I'd say he's fine but I'm currious on his project!
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Old 11-28-2010, 04:38 AM
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My mothers electric bill is over $600USD a month.
That's nothing. In the summer months mine will go 1000+
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Old 12-10-2010, 06:48 AM
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Are you still alive, dude?
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Sorry about taking so long to reply, I thought the thread had died 
or that everyone had lost interest.
Still confident that I could safely preform the original method
but camouflaging the secondary drop is troublesome.

Have been thinking of pulling the meter to replace it with another
one for 10 days out of the month, or just replace it at night.

This could be as (or even more) dangerous than the first idea
as meters can explode when being pulled or installed.

There is a right way and a wrong way to pull and reinstall the
meters, but I cant remember which way is right.

The meter bases also have security tags with serial numbers
stamped into them. I doubt they record the tag numbers, but
I'd rather play it safe and find a way to unlatch the tag instead
of just cutting it off and replacing it.

If this picture will load...
The meter base and security tag looks similar to this:


One could simply clip the tag off and replace it, but there has to be
a way to remove the tag without damaging it.

More importantly,
Does anyone know how to pull and replace the meter correctly?
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Old 12-10-2010, 07:30 AM
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Shit they can explode? I never had that happen. Maybe I was lucky. I always ended up rocking them out whichever way and then putting them back in randomly too.

Maybe someone can tell me what I did wrong here. After I got fired electricity got cut off for nonpayment. I had one of those digital meters issued. I also had an old analog meter so I unscrewed the metal tab from the back of it to stop the dial and stuck it in the socket. The same day I saw a lineman go around the side of the house, watched him from upstairs. He looked at the back of the meter, looked up at me, put a cover and tamper tag on the meter box, and walked away.

(Now I have a fucking $250 tamper fee dammit but at least they didn't let me keep going and just bill me at a tamper rate)

Did they see the digital meter go off the network and come to investigate? I can't imagine what else it would be because the old analog meters obviously don't have RFID/networking stuff.
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Old 12-10-2010, 07:45 AM
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It would be pretty hard to conceal with your smouldering corpse laying a few feet from the box. That kinda thing draws alot of attention.
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Whoever mentioned a line man has the right idea.
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