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Duh. Half of the spam and incident posts are because people want to duke it out.

This could be epic. Or not. I think if it were em-placed, it could be epic.
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I don't know. Isn't GS for "anything goes" rants? As long as it has content?
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Debate that.
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Hmmm, possibly, but does that seem like the kind environment for productive debating to be going on?

And what could we gain as a community in having a place to debate, rather than having that kind of stuff mucking up the individual forums?

It could get out of hand, but it could be interesting for everyone.

More so, it wold allow users a place to duke it.
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Or everyone can just go to arguewitheveryone.com because it's better than this place. Yep, that's a much better idea.
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Or everyone can just go to arguewitheveryone.com because it's better than this place. Yep, that's a much better idea.
^This.
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It would be cool if there were like 1v1, 2v2, etc debates, where only those people could "joust". Then you could have regular/open debate threads where anyone could pitch in.

Thread titles could be something like: DaGuru vs Fish; Topic: Forum administration.

It's not a bad idea.
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Or everyone can just go to arguewitheveryone.com because it's better than this place. Yep, that's a much better idea.
Some how I don' think that would provide the same results.

The idea would be to take the problems from forums and not compile the into one shit hole, but actually give people the time, place, and allowance to work it out. I suppose that happens anyway, just not as much as it could.
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It would be cool if there were like 1v1, 2v2, etc debates, where only those people could "joust". Then you could have regular/open debate threads where anyone could pitch in.

Thread titles could be something like: DaGuru vs Fish; Topic: Forum administration.

It's not a bad idea.
This is a good idea, but just having a forum where people will argue is lame. It's not like there is so much traffic that the forums are spilling over with debate.
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I believe the only reason ate wants such a thing is so people can't disagree with him in his forums anymore.
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It would be cool if there were like 1v1, 2v2, etc debates, where only those people could "joust". Then you could have regular/open debate threads where anyone could pitch in.

Thread titles could be something like: DaGuru vs Fish; Topic: Forum administration.

It's not a bad idea.
Yes, this is exactly what I was thinking. It's a whole other method, and could possibly open up other forums.

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This is a good idea, but just having a forum where people will argue is lame. It's not like there is so much traffic that the forums are spilling over with debate.
Yes, that's what I'd rather avoid. How could we keep it civil?

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I believe the only reason ate wants such a thing is so people can't disagree with him in his forums anymore.
No. Although I'd be inclined to agree if I didn't have anything better to do.
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Also, if people have to debate in one specific forum every thread in every other forum will just be filled with people agreeing with each other. That would be boring, extremely boring.
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It would be cool if there were like 1v1, 2v2, etc debates, where only those people could "joust". Then you could have regular/open debate threads where anyone could pitch in.

Thread titles could be something like: DaGuru vs Fish; Topic: Forum administration.

It's not a bad idea.
I dont think it would be fair to say who can and cannot have a valid input. Once you start taking the voice from one, it is not long before the many suffer. Granted, that can and does happen allready under the table sometimes, but that would be wrong to be written into the rules.

By involving everyone, we can have a mass debate.
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can't every forum be the debate forum?
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can't every forum be the debate forum?
aren't they already?

otherwise they'd be blogs.
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aren't they already?

otherwise they'd be blogs.


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Also, if people have to debate in one specific forum every thread in every other forum will just be filled with people agreeing with each other. That would be boring, extremely boring.
In a way yes, but it would also let those who are there to not agree with each other, but combine and utilize their intellectual forces, much more space and room to do so.

This will be happening anyway.
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:26 PM
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Every forum is a debate forum and more. Encountering other points of view and sometimes disagreeing with them is a normal part of discussion. If it isn't broken why try to fix it? Flame threads belong in PEOO but there's nothing wrong with a debate in the subject forums. If you want to have a private circle jerk make a group and do it there.
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I support the idea of a "fight club" forum. Any forum member may challenge another to a bout. The challengee picks the topic, e.g. existence of god, paranormal phenomenae, the death penalty. Both fighters pick a stance regardless or not regardless of their personal views on the matter, and duke it out.

Possible extra rules to make it all more interesting:
- winner gets thanks from the loser
- each fighter can post 10 times max
- loser has to shut the fuck up about the topic forever

The Total War Center forums have an entire subforum dedicated to "fight threads" only and it's pretty entertaining to cheer on winners and boo the losers.
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^ That sounds waaaaaaaayyy cooler.

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PEOO: Debate, complain, flame, and ridicule each other all you want. Mad about something? Mad about someone? Come here to vent!

I'm less worried about creating something we already have and more worried about ate trying to suppress people who challenge his ideas

Spam? Spam is simply that. Incident posts? I take this to mean CP, PI, etc. The idea would be to take the problems from forums? What is ate really wanting to remove from his forums?
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I support the idea completely, but it has to be done right. For starters, one topic and one topic only. If someone wants to hit a subpoint that deviates from the main argument, you start a new thread. Also, one on one only as well.

Perhaps have "open challenges" as well. Someone start a thread with a proposition, and someone comes along to counter them. First come, first serve, etc. Something like that.

We could do it freestyle or in formal debate format. Either one.

Nice idea ate.
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PEOO: Debate, complain, flame, and ridicule each other all you want. Mad about something? Mad about someone? Come here to vent!
That place is intended for personal disputes, AKA he said she said bullshit about Wires' uterus. It doesn't have the whole dueling competition flair to it.
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Make a debate forum and make Ate the mod. Would be hilarious.
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Online debating is gay as hell we don't want a forum for that shit.

Here's a debate thread:

OP: herp herp herp derp

a: nah huh that's quid pro quip pro carpe diem ad homo etcetera latin bullshit fallacy
b: *nazi/hitler analogy*
c: Godwin's law
d: conspiracy theory

* 5 pages of rust arguing over the correct usage of 19th century words and whether or not an interpretation of something he said in an ambiguous post was valid*
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That place is intended for personal disputes, AKA he said she said bullshit about Wires' uterus. It doesn't have the whole dueling competition flair to it.
Who knows, it might save PEOO to have a few more threads that aren't the same 3 people bitching about the admins and mods. Challenge threads are cool.

I think debates about existence of god belong in the religion forum, debates about paranormal phenomenae belong in the paranormal forum, and debates about the death penalty belong in the human condition or political forums. Of course any of the above could arise in IFIOTW or "this just in" if provocative links are posted, or even in GS on rare occasions. To trap all debate in one forum would reduce the rest of the forums to a bunch of people sitting in a circle, gripping each others dicks and grinning stupidly while they agree with each other.
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I think debates about existence of god belong in the religion forum, debates about paranormal phenomenae belong in the paranormal forum, and debates about the death penalty belong in the human condition or political forums. Of course any of the above could arise in IFIOTW or "this just in" if provocative links are posted, or even in GS on rare occasions. To trap all debate in one forum would reduce the rest of the forums to a bunch of people sitting in a circle, gripping each others dicks and grinning stupidly while they agree with each other.
Hmpf... hmmm... Mmyeah, you have a valid point there. The rest of the Total War Center forum I linked to is basically a circle jerk that I don't bother visiting. A proper duel forum would require a restructuring of all of Zoklet to work properly and I guess that's not really worth it. Still, glove slapping and duelling with high stakes would have been cool though. Maybe we could have a thread with publicized PM's or something, who knows.
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marking as "in consideration" but unless someone can come up with a compdelling reason it wouldn't jsut turn into another peoo i don't see it going anywhere.

Now if someone wanted to run with it, flesh it out some more, give it rules and a point system for scoring matches, i would be all about e-cock fights.
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Make a debate forum and make Ate the mod. Would be hilarious.
There can be no mod.

IN THE DEBATE FORUM!

Nah. We may need a type of mod or guiding system to utilize it in the manner of a resourceful and compelling debate rather than a flame war.
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someone mdentioned a couple of forums where they do things like this, could you steal us a rulebook and link it?
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PEOO was originally a forum for debate. We changed up the forum description about a year ago and made an overhaul of the rules because people were only using it to gripe about other users, not argue about actual issues.

It could, perhaps, be a sub-forum or something, but honestly, I think that any legitimate debate thread can either go in PEOO, GS, or one of the specialist forums.
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Here's the rules charter from that forum I mentioned:

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Any Member can throw a glove and call a fight. This is either by PM to the person you wish to challenge directly or through the challenge thread sticky. The challenge can be addressed to a specific member, two members at once or as an open challenge to anyone willing to pick up the glove [but must not exceed 4 combatants]. Personal challenge is permitted.

Upon acceptance, the challenger will open a thread in the main area to be titled;

NAME OF TOPIC [Debater 1 vs. Debater 2].

If you are challenged you do not have to fight, but know that there is nothing to lose, it's all a bit of fun!

A time limit or end date is not required although If one is desired, for competition purposes, the argument/debate can last for a predefined number of days. The exact period will be arranged and agreed upon between the opponents involved.

The two opponents will post an opening statement with a main argument, point, reasoning and evidence [if any] clearly presented.

Personal insults and any form of intimidation of the opponent are not permitted. The general forum rules must be observed in the debates. The debates must comply with the general forum rules unless permission given specifically to deviate; [such as in the Rap battle debates permission was given where by Pannonian].

No more than 4 total debaters. 1v1, or if teams are preferred, 2v2 for clarity. 1v3 may be allowed if prior permission from the local moderators is acquired.

Only the combatants are allowed to post in the debate thread. All commentary, and any other comments by non-combatants , go in the appropriate parallel Commentary Thread which will be opened by the local moderators and can be found in the Commentary sub-forum.

No spam.
In summary, the sticky threads should be:

- the rules (locked)
- the challenge thread (free to post in)

and the non-sticky threads will be:

- "arena" threads open only to the participants
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Users may not post threads, only the moderators are in charge of thread making.
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I like it.
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That shit would be awesome.

*puts gloves on*

Who's ready?

I guess it's the same as what we have, but not as good. Not as much, or however you want to put it, it doesn't have those outline that would make it erally interesting.
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Duh. Half of the spam and incident posts are because people want to duke it out.

This could be epic. Or not. I think if it were em-placed, it could be epic.
My Gott .... WTF ?????? Seriously ..... are you retarded ???? Are you THAT retarded ????

The entire point of BBS was for PEOPLE TO FUCKING ARGUE !!!!! YOU ASSSSSSSSSLARRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDD.

If you bother to read the early FAQ of most BBSes .... &T included .... you'd see that alll ....

of them was set up so that people can "debate" or argue for those who werent schooled much ....

What the fuck ... who the fuck mod you anyway ???? what the fuck is fucking happening when an asssssshole who dont even understand the point of BBSes can get modded and spreading their phaggottries like a butter knife all over the phorum ?????

Tell me ..... whose cock did you suck ?????
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