The martial arts compendium thread

[crackhead]

So I think its about time we have one of these. So I guess Ill be the first the first to contribute.

Styles I practice: Jujitsu (not the brazilian) and Judo

First things first, if any future MA practicioners are going to learn anything its this: You wont become a kung fu master by watching videos/reading books or internet posts!

Obviously that means you need to go to a school. First look around what types of schools are in your area. Ask if you can sit in on a class. If they want you to sign a contract upfront stay away. And if you go there and you see 50 million five year old blackbelts avoid it like the plague!

Now you will also hear from many different sources that sport oriented martial arts are not suited for self defense. This of course is not always the case. Remember boxing has been dubbed "the manly art of self defense". Also Im pretty sure Anderson Silva can handle himself in a self defense situation. But remember when I say sport I mean full contact sport martial arts, point fighting doesn't count.

Well W&C what do you have to say?

[negative_zero]

on behalf if W&C, I'd like to say that martial arts went out of style ever since guns came into existence. they serve no purpose what so ever except to lure impressionable pussy onto your cock.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by negative_zero

on behalf if W&C, I'd like to say that martial arts went out of style ever since guns came into existence. they serve no purpose what so ever except to lure impressionable pussy onto your cock.

You don't spend much time in the real world, do you?

On-topic: Jujitsu and Krav Maga, mostly. The jujitsu studio also taught MMA, so some experience in that.

I earned a black belt in karate when I was younger, but karate is somewhat useless, so I don't feel like including that.

[negative_zero]

16 hours a day.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by negative_zero

16 hours a day.

Most conflicts cannot be practically handled by using a firearm. Pulling a gun on that jackass at the bar sounds like a neat idea and all, but the legal and societal ramifications are not remotely worth it.

A good jab to the throat is legally dubious and accomplishes the trick just fine.

[944]

inb4 my style beats yours

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by 944

inb4 my style beats yours

This. Can we please avoid that, gentlemen?

[crackhead]

Yeah really, so guns do have their merits but weapons are just an extension of the body. Also anybody study boxing? Ive been reading about it and been thinkin about throwin the gloves on.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by crackhead

Yeah really, so guns do have their merits but weapons are just an extension of the body. Also anybody study boxing? Ive been reading about it and been thinkin about throwin the gloves on.

I've done MMA, which incorporates a fair bit of boxing technique in its sparring. I would check that out for balance's sake. Boxing is useful, but a lot of fights end up on the ground.

[Former_Member]

Martial arts do not equate perfectly, and sometimes are very far from, practical self defence. Real fights aren't conducted with rules.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

Martial arts do not equate perfectly, and sometimes are very far from, practical self defence. Real fights aren't conducted with rules.

People repeat this constantly, and I don't think they understand the kinds of rules that they are talking about. The "try to avoid doing this, it leaves you open for a quick jab" is the kind of rule that wins a fight, not loses it.

[nutsack]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

People repeat this constantly, and I don't think they understand the kinds of rules that they are talking about. The "try to avoid doing this, it leaves you open for a quick jab" is the kind of rule that wins a fight, not loses it.

They also don't understand how many things fit under the huge umbrella of "martial arts". Sticking your finger through someones eye, reversing the direction of their knee, crushing their windpipe and breaking their neck are all unarmed combat options and in my opinion within the "rules" of protecting your life or the lives of others. It's something that is very adaptable to the level of threat, unlike many weapons which immediately present likely lethal force.

[Rainycity]

in the streets we all know you aint going to get punched in the nuts, in the burbs, yeah protect your nuts.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by nutsack

They also don't understand how many things fit under the huge umbrella of "martial arts". Sticking your finger through someones eye, reversing the direction of their knee, crushing their windpipe and breaking their neck are all unarmed combat options and in my opinion within the "rules" of protecting your life or the lives of others. It's something that is very adaptable to the level of threat, unlike many weapons which immediately present likely lethal force.

Great post. Addresses all of the "on the street we ain't got no rules, homie" arguments that are thrown around constantly.

Even rules like "don't use this technique unless your life is absolutely threatened" are all reasonable from a legal point of view. If an unarmed person attacks me with a haymaker and I respond by crushing their windpipe, I would see no moral issue (though I wouldn't do that; it's a tad excessive) but legally I could face trouble, in civil court at least. It is simply not worth it when I can tailor a more reasonable response.

Which is, as you stated, near impossible with firearms.

Things like collapsible batons and brass knuckles do provide an excellent nonlethal edge, though.

[Rainycity]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

Great post. Addresses all of the "on the street we ain't got no rules, homie" arguments that are thrown around constantly.

Even rules like "don't use this technique unless your life is absolutely threatened" are all reasonable from a legal point of view. If an unarmed person attacks me with a haymaker and I respond by crushing their windpipe, I would see no moral issue (though I wouldn't do that; it's a tad excessive) but legally I could face trouble, in civil court at least. It is simply not worth it when I can tailor a more reasonable response.

Which is, as you stated, near impossible with firearms.

Things like collapsible batons and brass knuckles do provide an excellent nonlethal edge, though.

less lethal.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Rainycity

less lethal.

Nonlethal if you know what you're doing.

[crackhead]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

Great post. Addresses all of the "on the street we ain't got no rules, homie" arguments that are thrown around constantly.

Even rules like "don't use this technique unless your life is absolutely threatened" are all reasonable from a legal point of view. If an unarmed person attacks me with a haymaker and I respond by crushing their windpipe, I would see no moral issue (though I wouldn't do that; it's a tad excessive) but legally I could face trouble, in civil court at least. It is simply not worth it when I can tailor a more reasonable response.

Which is, as you stated, near impossible with firearms.

Things like collapsible batons and brass knuckles do provide an excellent nonlethal edge, though.

Also dont forget a right to the chin is a knockout shot in sport and in real life.

[Optionryder420]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

People repeat this constantly, and I don't think they understand the kinds of rules that they are talking about. The "try to avoid doing this, it leaves you open for a quick jab" is the kind of rule that wins a fight, not loses it.

Yeah, they have no idea. How is training in a combat sport going to make you any worse off in a fight? It won't. It's not like I'm going to fight someone and try to outbox them.

Also, rules in the ring are pretty fucking loose. You can break rules all day long, the ref will just warn you unless you do it a ton. Pretty hard to get a point deducted in a 3rd match. I've thrown elbows, pushed, etc. just to win fights without getting points deducted. When I'm boxing if I've gotta box dirty to win a match I have no problem doing it, just because the rules are there doesn't mean I'm explicitly programmed to follow them.

Originally Posted by crackhead

Also anybody study boxing? Ive been reading about it and been thinkin about throwin the gloves on.

Go, do it. I'm starting training again after a long layoff, going to fight in the N. Florida Golden gloves region and hopefully make it to state Golden Gloves this year.

It will take a lot of hard work, dedication, and pain to make it.

Where are you located?

Height, weight, and general shape?

I'm anxious for Keith Thurman to come back to my new gym so I can spar him.

[crackhead]

Ohio

6'3" 270 kind of fat but I also spend alot of time weightlifting

[944]

Originally Posted by crackhead

Ohio

6'3" 270 kind of fat but I also spend alot of time weightlifting

What part of Ohio?

[Optionryder420]

If you want to box, you're going to need to cut WAY back on lifting weights.

Also, you're going to need to loose quite a bit of weight, which most will come off with training.

You're probably around the average height for a heavyweight (200+ lbs) but if you can make it to 199 (cruiserweight), you'll be in for an easier time.

Ohio has some pretty good boxing history and good boxing gyms. Find a gym in your area and just go, that's all I can tell you.

If you're just looking to "box" as exercise though, it's good for fitness so go for it.

[crackhead]

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[Om Namah Shivaya]

Wish I could do some martial arts. If I had a choice to train in one or a few I'd choose Ninjitsu, Muay Thai, Jujitsu, or Mantis Kung-Fu

Ninjitsu for obvious reasons of awesomeness

Muay thai because tony ja is my hero lol

Jujitsu because if the fight ends up on the ground I want to be able to choke a man/break limbs in locks

And Mantis style because it looks fun lol

[Jive Talka]

I practice Shotokan-Karate and Jiu-Jitsu.

I think one of the most important aspect of martial arts training, the point most students seem to ignore, is the ability to stay calm under pressure and not get so amped up you lose control of your facilities.

Even during sparring you see people just completely lose their shit and start throwing wild, sloppy punches and kicks (a technique I'd never feel comfortable using in real life). They usually end up riding the adrenaline and not thinking clearly which allows their opponent (or some drunk asshole at a bar) to read their attacks and pick them apart.

I'm looking for some harder styles (probably Kyokushinkai, Thai Boxing, or Judo) so if anyone has any experiences I'd love to know them.

[Fuck "Fuck Fuck" Fuck]

Which two styles would you say would be best for holding up against a street fight? I was thinking boxing and judo, but I'll admit, I don't know shit.

[944]

Originally Posted by Fuck "Fuck Fuck" Fuck

Which two styles would you say would be best for holding up against a street fight? I was thinking boxing and judo, but I'll admit, I don't know shit.

Muay Thai/BJJ

[Ebola]

Originally Posted by Fuck "Fuck Fuck" Fuck

Which two styles would you say would be best for holding up against a street fight? I was thinking boxing and judo, but I'll admit, I don't know shit.

Ving Tsun and Latosa Escrima or EBMAS

[King Owl]

I have been practicing Karate for about seven years, I formerly studied jiu-jutsu, kenjutsu, iaido, taijutsu and aikido, as well as undergoing CQC training when I served.

[Ebola]

Originally Posted by mandelbrots uncle

I have been practicing Karate for about seven years, I formerly studied jiu-jutsu, kenjutsu, iaido, taijutsu and aikido, as well as undergoing CQC training when I served.

[Former_Member]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

People repeat this constantly, and I don't think they understand the kinds of rules that they are talking about.

Those aren't the kind of rules we're talking about. We're talking about rules of conduct, of which there should be none.
In fact, they aren't even rules- it's tactics.

[Optionryder420]

Did you read my post than?

If I have to break rules to win, I do. I'll throw elbows, hold people's head down, hit with my palm, etc. So do you really think these rules are programmed into me?

I change my style, aggression, speed against everyone I fight. The biggest part of boxing is ADJUSTING to the guy you're fighting.

[nutsack]

Originally Posted by Ryan1711

Those aren't the kind of rules we're talking about. We're talking about rules of conduct, of which there should be none.

There needs to be limits in training. Otherwise you're just going to end up with severely injured people who have learned nothing.

[Former_Member]

Originally Posted by nutsack

There needs to be limits in training. Otherwise you're just going to end up with severely injured people who have learned nothing.

yeah of course man. but while training, you should maintain an awareness of such options- or perhaps dummy them when appropriate and if necessary. fortunately, those types of things are natural to us and we don't need much practice; though practice can't hurt.

[Ekstaz]

Luckily the gym I attend has mixed Krav maga & boxing. I enjoy both, as they compliment each other. I felt krav by itself was lacking, and boxing fills in the gaps. Great advice from you guys in an earlier thread.

Get in the ring, and on the mat!

P.S. what krav organizations you guys belong to? When I return to the states in a few years I'm gonna continue krav, ideally I'd like to remain in IKMF rather than some J.Lo gym

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Ekstaz

Luckily the gym I attend has mixed Krav maga & boxing. I enjoy both, as they compliment each other. I felt krav by itself was lacking, and boxing fills in the gaps. Great advice from you guys in an earlier thread.

Get in the ring, and on the mat!

P.S. what krav organizations you guys belong to? When I return to the states in a few years I'm gonna continue krav, ideally I'd like to remain in IKMF rather than some J.Lo gym

This is a fair point. Krav Maga is weak on offense. Handy on the fly, but weak on offense.

Where are you going to live in the States? I could ask my instructor if he knows of any good ones.

[p6867]

Martial arts self defense instruction is retarded. It all boils down to the same krav maga shit, push his knife/gun out of the way THEN PUNCH HIM IN THE FUCKING FACE.

[Ekstaz]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

This is a fair point. Krav Maga is weak on offense. Handy on the fly, but weak on offense.

Where are you going to live in the States? I could ask my instructor if he knows of any good ones.

Chicago since that's where i hope to land a good residency, but if i couldn't then somewhere in the chicagoland area.Chicago will probably be a launchpad for me, albeit an important one before I head west.


Where do you live in the states?

[nutsack]

Originally Posted by p6867

Martial arts self defense instruction is retarded. It all boils down to the same krav maga shit, push his knife/gun out of the way THEN PUNCH HIM IN THE FUCKING FACE.

More like push it out of the way then do whatever you can to stop the motherfucker asap. There's plenty of technique to it but you want to keep it as simple and flexible as possible because you'll be shitting your pants and things never go as expected. But do you think you would react better to something like this if it was completely new territory, or if you had practiced it thousands upon thousands of times? I'd advocate pulling your gun out or running the fuck away if it's a knife, if he's got a gun you're pretty much fucked unless he does something really stupid with it.

[p6867]

^Yeah the problem as I see it is that if the attacker has a knife, he only needs to connect once to change your life forever. You could just carry a gun, practice with that and practice your running to more adequately defend yourself and your property than any kind of martial art will ever do.

[nutsack]

Originally Posted by p6867

^Yeah the problem as I see it is that if the attacker has a knife, he only needs to connect once to change your life forever.

One of my instructors instilled in me (with his scars) the idea to never fight unarmed against a knife if you can help it. The worst was where he took a machete to the gut, opening the intestines and missing the abdominal aorta by about a centimeter. He was an experienced martial artist when it happened and quite a big guy, the attacker was pretty fucked in the head and I think went on to kill someone randomly in a park before being arrested. A knife presents a very lethal threat. That's part of why I don't agree with carrying one to defend yourself, they instantly escalate a situation to life or death.

Originally Posted by p6867

You could just carry a gun, practice with that and practice your running to more adequately defend yourself and your property than any kind of martial art will ever do.

It's not always possible to carry a gun, I'd be risking time in prison if caught carrying in public here, and in a lot of situations drawing one would be excessive. Running is also not always possible, or even when it is why run from some jackass trying to punch you when you can just floor him.