1/6th of the world population

Cliche Guevara · #1 03-07-2009, 10:02 PM

Lives like this.

I could build an entire hobo jungle of this sort from shit I could find at the local dump.

Its kind of funny, but mostly sad that these people live in houses made of things that actually cost us negative money. (as in things we have to pay to get rid of).

Scenes like this should not exist

(theres in img there but its bugged and you can't see it most likely)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kochi_India_slums.jpg

There seems to be no end in sight. Anyways my macdonalds is here and I suddenly lost interest in the topic.

Lao Tzu · #2 03-07-2009, 10:04 PM

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Anyways my macdonalds is here and I suddenly lost interest in the topic.

There's the cause of the problem in a nutshell.

Agent 008 · #3 03-07-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliche Guevara

Lives like this.

I could build an entire hobo jungle of this sort from shit I could find at the local dump.

Its kind of funny, but mostly sad that these people live in houses made of things that actually cost us negative money. (as in things we have to pay to get rid of).

Scenes like this should not exist

(theres in img there but its bugged and you can't see it most likely)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kochi_India_slums.jpg

There seems to be no end in sight. Anyways my macdonalds is here and I suddenly lost interest in the topic.

And, tell me WHY they live like that?

Because they don't get off of their arses and build a proper house. Because they most likely just destroy each other's shit to feel better about themselves, and ridicule anyone trying to make their own life better. Or they have a government that oppresses the shit out of them, and not in a constructive "empire" kind of way.

In any case, I see no *objective* reasons why they should live like that.

lord · #4 03-07-2009, 10:12 PM

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There's the cause of the problem in a nutshell.... "now i've said something on the matter that shows i want something done about it, but actually saying something is all im going to do. Im not actually going to do anything to sort it out."

There's the cause of the problem in a nutshell.

Agent 008 · #5 03-07-2009, 10:15 PM

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There's the cause of the problem in a nutshell.... "now I've blamed someone else for not taking action, which kinda made myself look good, since I've not just done fuck all, but implied that I was willing to do something if not for the other guy who is presumably responsible."

There's the cause of the problem in a nutshell.

lord · #6 03-07-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 008

In any case, I see no *objective* reasons why they should live like that.

Yeah thats right, you trying to summarise a reason why its not the "rich peoples" fault for them being like that is going to change the world for the better and stop all this. Well done to you! i hope you feel better about yourself after that wonderful post.

lord · #7 03-07-2009, 10:18 PM

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There's the cause of the problem in a nutshell. im going to flame someone who decided to make a point about people speaking out but not acting out because it makes me seem like im a deep guy who understands people and whos really really smart and knows too much to get physically involved. But anyways im gonna do fuck all cause im just that kinda guy.

There's the cause of the problem in a nutshell.

Cliche Guevara · #8 03-07-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Shibby

There's the cause of the problem in a nutshell.

Once again you fail the grasp the not so subtle nature of satire.

(Although I really am eating macdonalds now).

edit: Maybe next time though...

Cliche Guevara · #9 03-07-2009, 10:21 PM

But really besides talk about it with a bunch of strangers on the internet, I'm not really going to do anything. I'm a fucking 19 year old stoner fuck, thats pretty much the extent of my what I can do or willing to do. I just think its retarded that 1 billion people live in houses literally made of garbage.

Although, I did turn down an offer to build houses in Nicaragua for 2 weeks, fuck that.

lord · #10 03-07-2009, 10:23 PM

haha cliche as much as i wanted a little argument about this that was a classic post

pretty much the extent of most people in the world.

Cathy McGee · #11 03-07-2009, 10:25 PM

hexayurts can be the new solution to housing problems

Agent 008 · #12 03-07-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by lord

Yeah thats right, you trying to summarise a reason why its not the "rich peoples" fault for them being like that is going to change the world for the better and stop all this. Well done to you! i hope you feel better about yourself after that wonderful post.

What made the "rich peoples" the rich peoples that they are? It's all about the culture. Hell, even if the Africans just united and turned into a USSR-style isolationist empire, they could probably be living better than they are living now. But no, they will just stay in this village that is 20km from any drinking water source, walk those 20kms every day, and wait for the god "rich peoples" to feel guilty, come and dig them up a well or build a pipe.

Romans had pipes 2000 years ago. I am sure the natives could build one.

And then, they get rid of "imperialist slavery", and what do they have now? Slavery, but by the locals for the locals! Well fucking done. Add to that a bit of civil war, because some guys from another tribe have some of the useless land that another tribe thinks is there's. Because if they get that piece of shitty land back, that would make their lives so much better! Why try to be creative, when you can go fight some useless war while your family starves and has to walk 20km for water? And even the dictators are ridiculous. "Oh look, I've got millions now - except I can't really get out of this shithole since no decent country would let me in.. oh well, at least I've got a bigger hut than the rest, and I have others walk the 20km for water. And I'll probably get killed at some point, and my people are miserable, and nobody likes me, but who cares, because I'm so ambitious!!1"

Really, it's all just a sick joke.

OMGPLZDNTBAN · #13 03-07-2009, 10:28 PM

this thread blew.

Agent 008 · #14 03-07-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lord

There's the cause of the problem in a nutshell. i'll just keep the flame going online, and try to get the last word. That's what's REALLY important! Screw those poor bastards, what do I care.

There's the cause of the problem in a nutshell.

Cliche Guevara · #15 03-07-2009, 10:29 PM

I'm sure its more sick for someone who isn't just an outside observer. but your right it is really the fact that the Africans are really uneducated (with the literacy rate below 40%).

But thats one problem, and another is extremely wealthy people who live in extremely wealthy countries who donate 30 dollars a month to some poor fuck and feel good about themselves

lord · #16 03-07-2009, 10:30 PM

yeah thats right the rich got rich so its not their fault that the poor didnt get rich. I mean its not as if the rich used to poor, took all their shit so they couldnt get rich to begin with and them BLAMED the poor for not getting rich and someone said its their own fault.

To summarise above few line - yeah that all makes sense - its the poor peoples fault your right Agent.

Agent 008 · #17 03-07-2009, 10:32 PM

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I'm sure its more sick for someone who isn't just an outside observer.

I bet. I realise I probably sound like a cunt, but it feels like we are fixing the symptoms and not the cause of the problem, you know?

Cliche Guevara · #18 03-07-2009, 10:33 PM

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hexayurts can be the new solution to housing problems

hahahah those are fucking cool! and a really good idea although 200 USD is probably like winning the lotto in africa.

lord · #19 03-07-2009, 10:34 PM

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There's the cause of the problem in a nutshell. Im going to keep going with these summaries of what the cause is because you know, thats just me. I really dont give a fuck but im not going to admit it because i want to atleast make everyone online think that im a very nice person even though what i do most of my time is go on this forum and chat shit when i could be simply educating people about how lucky they are and if one person listened then i'd maybe feel i've done something worthwhile in my life instead of wasting it as im doing now.

thats not the cause of the problem in a nutshell. Its just showing that your a cunt.

lord · #20 03-07-2009, 10:34 PM

i wrote the cunt bit before i read your post about you actually saying your a cunt.

Agent 008 · #21 03-07-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lord

yeah thats right the rich got rich so its not their fault that the poor didnt get rich. I mean its not as if the rich used to poor, took all their shit so they couldnt get rich to begin with and them BLAMED the poor for not getting rich and someone said its their own fault.

To summarise above few line - yeah that all makes sense - its the poor peoples fault your right Agent.

Well damn. If I saw that they are really trying to build their world, I would lend a helping hand, no question about that. But look at the shit I've listed. They're waging useless wars, selling each other into slavery, destroying their agriculture, etc. etc.

And what's wrong with donating 30$ a month? What do you want them, give up their houses and live in a hut themselves, out of shame? I'd rather everyone was equally rich than equally poor.

Cathy McGee · #22 03-07-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliche Guevara

hahahah those are fucking cool! and a really good idea although 200 USD is probably like winning the lotto in africa.

yea but for relief groups that go and build houses and try and revamp these third world places, its a much much simpler and cheaper way, thats still totally effective...im gonna build one for myself to live in at BM lol

lord · #23 03-07-2009, 10:41 PM

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Well damn. If I saw that they are really trying to build their world, I would lend a helping hand, no question about that. But look at the shit I've listed. They're waging useless wars, selling each other into slavery, destroying their agriculture, etc. etc.

And what's wrong with donating 30$ a month? What do you want them, give up their houses and live in a hut themselves, out of shame? I'd rather everyone was equally rich than equally poor.

I'd rather everyone was just equal. Be it rich or poor. BEcause if everyone was equally poor then that poor would be the new rich or at least the new "normal".
And yeah they do all that shit because they have nothing else. Maybe if we didnt fuck up their lives beforehand they would've stood a chance. More importantly if we (well all the rich governments mainly) gave them sufficient water/food and education pretty much all the problems would go away. We could very easily assist them in becoming "rich" as it were. Or atleast leading an average lifestyle. Dont say we couldnt because we clearly could.

OMGPLZDNTBAN · #24 03-07-2009, 10:43 PM

Agent 8 and Lord Calvert, Are you flaming eachother or yourselves?

Cliche Guevara · #25 03-07-2009, 10:45 PM

not really a problem but the point I was making is that amount of good the average person does is not equal to how good they feel about themselves after words. 30 dollars a month is a dollar a day. I shit several dollars a day.

I think they should just take a dollar from everybodies bank account and dump into a few good charities. No one would even notice.

lord · #26 03-07-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGPLZDNTBAN

Agent 8 and Lord Calvert, Are you flaming eachother or yourselves?

Whats with the lord calvert? And wtf you on about you prick.

lord · #27 03-07-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliche Guevara

I think they should just take a dollar from everybodies bank account and dump into a few good charities. No one would even notice.

Sorry for posting so much, i need to learn to combine what im saying into one. But this is excactly how i feel.

Cliche Guevara · #28 03-07-2009, 10:50 PM

"An insignificant portion of your funds has been appropriated for the greater good"

and they should reimburse the jewbags who complain, but nobody would because they'd feel like a jewbag.

Cliche Guevara · #29 03-07-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by anr

yea but for relief groups that go and build houses and try and revamp these third world places, its a much much simpler and cheaper way, thats still totally effective...im gonna build one for myself to live in at BM lol

yeaah fun affordable housing for hippies and impoverished africans.

Cathy McGee · #30 03-07-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliche Guevara

yeaah fun affordable housing for hippies and impoverished africans.

damn straight! its like killing two birds with one stone

Agent 008 · #31 03-07-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lord

I'd rather everyone was just equal. Be it rich or poor. BEcause if everyone was equally poor then that poor would be the new rich or at least the new "normal".
And yeah they do all that shit because they have nothing else. Maybe if we didnt fuck up their lives beforehand they would've stood a chance. More importantly if we (well all the rich governments mainly) gave them sufficient water/food and education pretty much all the problems would go away. We could very easily assist them in becoming "rich" as it were. Or atleast leading an average lifestyle. Dont say we couldnt because we clearly could.

It's not as simple as that.

I believe the root of the problem is their culture. I know it's very arguable, but I believe a person's upbringing really makes all the difference in a man.

Now, just giving them food and water? Not a solution. We need to teach them to fish, not give them seafood.

Any involvement of the "West" will immediately fuel the anti-western "oh noes they want to colonise us again" propaganda of many of theirs dictatorships. Yes, I know that it's because we really screwed them up in the past. But what's done is done. How do we get out of this? No idea.

Also, you can't really build a new world in a country that has local wars going on. How do you stop them? You can either support one side till it wins in each conflict, or you can find a leader that both parties trust and try to negotiate peace. Again, not trivial at all.

Bringing a new culture would also bring a lot of resistance. If it doesn't come from within their cultures, as an "evolution", it won't be easy and most likely won't work - just shed some more blood.
They can't prosper without some laws, that are written, mean something to everyone and are mostly followed. Who is going to let anyone do that? Hell, even a local would probably be killed by some dictator nutter before he can do anything/make a difference.

It's really all not trivial, and just pouring money in there is not going to solve the problem.

OMGPLZDNTBAN · #32 03-07-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lord

Whats with the lord calvert? And wtf you on about you prick.

That's what ah'm 'bout.

Jeff Gatherer · #33 03-07-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGPLZDNTBAN

this thread blew.

There's the cause of the problem in a nutshell.

Agent 008 · #34 03-07-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliche Guevara

not really a problem but the point I was making is that amount of good the average person does is not equal to how good they feel about themselves after words. 30 dollars a month is a dollar a day. I shit several dollars a day.

I think they should just take a dollar from everybodies bank account and dump into a few good charities. No one would even notice.

Who should? And how can you be sure this money will not end up in someone's pocket? And what if you believe the charity is not doing something that will be effective long-term/do not agree with how the charity carries out the work?

Also, as I said above, it's not all about the money.

lord · #35 03-07-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 008

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Now, just giving them food and water? Not a solution. We need to teach them to fish, not give them seafood.
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Mate i clearly said that food/water and education. So what you just ranted on about (except a few points) shows no argument against what i previously said because i pretty much said what you said in a more simplistic way.
As for the people thinking "oh no we're getting fucked over again" so what. We wouldnt be fucking them over so its ok. Just like saying that when your a kid and your parents are doing something for your own good but your thinking "fucking parents", they still do it because they know its for the "greater good". If we (we being the rich nations) went to the poorer countries, fucked off the dictators completely and basically helped the poorer people - with what i said in the last post - water/food and education then in a while everything would start to look up.

Basically we have to stop seeing the world as seperate places and see it is as one big place. We should do whats best for everyone even if some may think its not the right idea. Share wealth/food/education/bitches out amongst the world.

Cliche Guevara · #36 03-07-2009, 11:11 PM

Well it was more a joke than a serious, insightful solution. Its not about the money, but if they were to receive large amounts of money, they could sure do alot of good things. Everything that will help the 'cans is dependant on steady cash flows that Isnt coming from their GDP. They can't afford to pay for things like improving the country's infrastructure, raising the literacy rate, importing intellectuals (see brain drain).

Everything revolves around money, these poor fucks can't even live naturally off nature because some rich douchebag 'owns' it, so they have to live off garbage (literally)

It all comes down to education, I think. these people are swayed to kill each other simply because some guy promises land reform, and free food but only if you commit atrocities first If they were educated and could think for themselves, they would be far better off.

These people need to learn how to read and get educated so they can be productive members of society but they can't do that when they have to eat bugs and drink tainted water. Its a vicious cycle and clearly they need outside intervention, and more idea like the hexayurt and the free laptop movement.

i poop in your cereal · #37 03-07-2009, 11:52 PM

Which is why anyone who's even remotely happy is an egocentric asshole - Not that I have anything against that, but they tend to be very hypocritical.

Struwwelpeter · #38 03-08-2009, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cliche Guevara

These people need to learn how to read and get educated so they can be productive members of society but they can't do that when they have to eat bugs and drink tainted water. Its a vicious cycle and clearly they need outside intervention, and more idea like the hexayurt and the free laptop movement.

I disagree, they need to be left alone so they can die out quickly, the world is overpopulated enough and we don't need any more humans, especially non-white humans.