Ok, which Paul for president?

[west]

After seeing and hearing from Rand Paul I think he would be a better candidate to represent the ever-growing Tea Party/constitution loving people. Ron Paul is equally if not greater than his son, but he's getting old even though in my opinion his age would not affect his presidency. The younger Paul would have the energy and charisma a more closed-minded person would like with all of the freedom loving attributes of his father. Hopefully Rand Paul will be a nominee for the republican candidate for president. I want to see him kick some ass in some debates, amirite?

[Struwwelpeter]

I don't know, west, are-u-rite? Do you have trouble distinguishing between rite and wrong? Do you feel you are unsure about which feelings are pleasurable and good and which feelings are not pleasurable and not good? Perhaps you ought to see a shrink, west. It's clear you don't have a very good grip on reality. You don't know what you want, you don't know what is rite and what is wrong, you're all over the place. You have a mental illness.

[Morb]

Ron Paul was too old to have been running last time (it's just no one had the nerve to tell him).

[Cork]

My vote goes to Sean Paul

[west]

Originally Posted by Jim "fuck latinos" Carrey

I don't know, west, are-u-rite? Do you have trouble distinguishing between rite and wrong? Do you feel you are unsure about which feelings are pleasurable and good and which feelings are not pleasurable and not good? Perhaps you ought to see a shrink, west. It's clear you don't have a very good grip on reality. You don't know what you want, you don't know what is rite and what is wrong, you're all over the place. You have a mental illness.

Is there such thing as right or wrong? All in all, everything just is. You can stop trolling now, it was entertaining for 5 seconds.

[ILTST]

Paul Wall

[Agent 008]

I think Ron Paul lost a lot of his potential supporters by advocating radical changes to the system. He kind of became infamous through it, though, but there was no way he was going to get elected.

Thing is, yes, most people support his ideas, but when he says that in the first week he will abolish the IRS etc., most business people see it as a shock to the system that is likely to make them much worse off, at least at first.

[Morb]

This is a particularly important and pivotal point in history happening right now.

I think what America needs is a candidate like Ron Paul, except one who doesn't think that superpowers can just exist in an isolationist bubble in the year 2011, and one who doesn't draw quite so much enthusiastic support amongst Neo-Nazis.

It would help if that candidate, if he found himself drawing such support, would have the guts to denounce Neo-Nazis too and tell them he doesn't want their "support" (instead of gladly doing interviews for them).

What America is gonna get, however, is a bunch of candidates that cement the fact that people didn't learn their lesson last time. And another liberal is gonna get into office after Obama.

And when that happens, everyone can pretty much just give up. What anyone says after that won't make a bit of difference, no one will have any say after that. What's done after that will be done. America has had too many chances, and voting for another liberal after Obama will be the last nail in the coffin for America.

After that, you can talk about all the Pauls you want, but you'd better make it quick. Because the days when you're gonna have to do it in secret are coming. That's as neatly as I can fit the whole picture into a nutshell without writing an essay.

[PirateJoe]

Originally Posted by Morb

What America is gonna get, however, is a bunch of candidates that cement the fact that people didn't learn their lesson last time... And another liberal is gonna get into office after Obama.

Yep, Mike Huckabee was the change america needed.

I think the real lesson here, which nobody seems to be learning, isn't about left v right, but the political status quo.

[Trix Are For Kids]

Originally Posted by Morb

And another liberal is gonna get into office after Obama.

See this is what I don't understand. I can agree with most of the points up to this. However, when you make it a point to say "politics sucks and is just business as usual" and then turn around and bash a particular political leaning, you don't come across as the most intellectual type of guy.

And I'm not telling you this because I'm for or against any party or idea, I'm just letting you know that you're misinformed and biased just like the rest of them. That's okay I guess, I am too.

[Morb]

Originally Posted by Trix Are For Kids

See this is what I don't understand. I can agree with most of the points up to this. However, when you make it a point to say "politics sucks and is just business as usual" and then turn around and bash a particular political leaning, you don't come across as the most intellectual type of guy.

And I'm not telling you this because I'm for or against any party or idea, I'm just letting you know that you're misinformed and biased just like the rest of them. That's okay I guess, I am too.

Guys like me are fiscal conservatives, and social small "l" libertarians.

Once, about ten years ago, when we saw that guys like Al Gore, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Howard Dean, and Obama were gaining traction in the Democratic party, we knew something troubling was brewing. It used to be, back in the JFK days, that the Democratic party represented true Americans who provided a good, solid counter to the excesses of the Republican party.

No longer. The liberals in power now are a creature of a different stripe, and they have a truly impressive and long-range agenda.

Guys like me don't particularly care who is president as long as it's not another liberal like the ones who have taken over the Democratic Party. Those are the people with whom there aren't just disagreements over policy, there's a fundamental disagreement over ideology.

Guys like me believe that Obama and liberals like him seek to change America fundamentally to the point where it is no longer recognizable as the country the Founders envisioned at all. And when that happens, guys like me won't be able to say what I'm saying right now on the internet.

I'm at the point where I don't care anymore if people want to dismiss me and what I'm saying. There's no excuse anymore for not getting the whole story, and my advice is not to listen to me but to get all the info you can while you can. It's not gonna last. This is big, world-wide stuff going on right now, it's a power struggle to determine the shape of the future, and I'm not worried about looking biased. I am biased, I am an advocate for certain things. I have a stand I'm taking.

And I hope I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by PirateJoe

Yep, Mike Huckabee was the change america needed.

I think the real lesson here, which nobody seems to be learning, isn't about left v right, but the political status quo.

I'm no Mike Huckabee fan, he's a social conservative. While I think his ilk are less of a danger to America and the world than Obama and the liberals in Washington are, he's certainly no one I'd vote for.

[Trix Are For Kids]

I'm not saying you're wrong at all, the point that I'm getting at is, like most people, you're bending over and taking one like a champ. You have a vote. Use it for what is good, not what looks good. You're biased, and accept it? Well so does every other idiot who ever brought us to this flaming shithole of a world. At least you're not delusional about what you think though...

[Struwwelpeter]

Originally Posted by west

Is there such thing as right or wrong? All in all, everything just is. You can stop trolling now, it was entertaining for 5 seconds.

Yeah there's no such thing as right or wrong, no such thing as a winner or a loser, everything just IS, bro... Like, totally. Ya fuckin' liberal dumbass.

[TruthWielder]

Originally Posted by Jim "fuck latinos" Carrey

Yeah there's no such thing as right or wrong, no such thing as a winner or a loser, everything just IS, bro... Like, totally. Ya fuckin' liberal dumbass.

Does trolling like this really bring you so much satisfaction that you do it so constantly? Don't you have a life dude? If I come to this website and don't make one sincere and intelligent post for the most part I feel I've wasted my time. Are you paralyzed or something or simply addicted to porn and WoW so much that life outside is too scary to face?

I mean damn man, stop being a shit stain on this website. I can't stand your smell anymore.

[west]

Originally Posted by Jim "fuck latinos" Carrey

Yeah there's no such thing as right or wrong, no such thing as a winner or a loser, everything just IS, bro... Like, totally. Ya fuckin' liberal dumbass.

They are 2 sides of the same coin. BTW I just made a post supporting Rand and Ron Paul. Aren't they like the most conservative of conservative? Who's the fucking dumbass now? I must admit, you're a pretty good troll. Keep it coming.

[Struwwelpeter]

Originally Posted by TruthWielder

Does trolling like this really bring you so much satisfaction that you do it so constantly? Don't you have a life dude? If I come to this website and don't make one sincere and intelligent post for the most part I feel I've wasted my time. Are you paralyzed or something or simply addicted to porn and WoW so much that life outside is too scary to face?

I mean damn man, stop being a shit stain on this website. I can't stand your smell anymore.

Then get the fuck out of here, go jack off to that Cowby Bebop poster on your wall you goofball. You've never made an intelligent post on this forum to my knowledge, although many of them are quite useful, for the purpose of exercising the abdominal muscles.

[Struwwelpeter]

Originally Posted by west

They are 2 sides of the same coin. BTW I just made a post supporting Rand and Ron Paul. Aren't they like the most conservative of conservative? Who's the fucking dumbass now? I must admit, you're a pretty good troll. Keep it coming.

Those two guys are not very conservative. Leftism/liberalism is more of a psychological type than a political stance, characterized by the following:

1. Neurotic behavior
2. Hatred of people or things that have an image of being strong or good, such as Western civilization, big business, etc.
3. Identification with, concern for, or militant advocacy on behalf of victims and victimization issues, such as racism, sexism, homophobia, murder victims, rape victims, property victims, white collar victims, labor victims, etc.
4. Identification with people who have an image of being weak, subordinated or defeated, such as women, Palestenians or crime victims.
5. Denial or criticism of objective reality, the scientific method, or the truth (your "nothing is right or wrong" BS)

As you can see, you are definitely a leftist as are many conservatives. You may be supportive of right wing economic policies, but you still fit the psychological mold of a liberal.

[Agent 008]

Originally Posted by TruthWielder

Does trolling like this really bring you so much satisfaction that you do it so constantly? Don't you have a life dude? If I come to this website and don't make one sincere and intelligent post for the most part I feel I've wasted my time. Are you paralyzed or something or simply addicted to porn and WoW so much that life outside is too scary to face?

I mean damn man, stop being a shit stain on this website. I can't stand your smell anymore.

I thought everyone had him on ignore for ages now.

[Struwwelpeter]

Yeah that explains why I have nearly 1500 received thanks, more than anyone else on this website in spite of the fact that I have been banned for about a year's time altogether.


PS keep that little booty hole of yours nice and greasy, SHODAN. It's going to get molested in the coming economic collapse, literally or metaphorically.

[west]

Originally Posted by Jim "fuck latinos" Carrey

Those two guys are not very conservative. Leftism/liberalism is more of a psychological type than a political stance, characterized by the following:

1. Neurotic behavior
2. Hatred of people or things that have an image of being strong or good, such as Western civilization, big business, etc.
3. Identification with, concern for, or militant advocacy on behalf of victims and victimization issues, such as racism, sexism, homophobia, murder victims, rape victims, property victims, white collar victims, labor victims, etc.
4. Identification with people who have an image of being weak, subordinated or defeated, such as women, Palestenians or crime victims.
5. Denial or criticism of objective reality, the scientific method, or the truth (your "nothing is right or wrong" BS)

As you can see, you are definitely a leftist as are many conservatives. You may be supportive of right wing economic policies, but you still fit the psychological mold of a liberal.

Wait, how are they not conservative? This is a political forum we aren't in The Inhumane Condition, dumbshit. I guess feeling for another suffering human being makes one a liberal... Now, I know why you're on so many peoples ignore lists.

[Struwwelpeter]

A "conservative" is someone who is opposed to rapid social change. Ron Paul and his curly haired son are both very supportive of economic growth, which is the most influential precursor to social change and disruption. As you can see, the vast majority of consevatives are dumbasses or at best conservatives in name only. And having compassion for a suffering person does not make you a liberal, it is a combination of traits that make you one, you happen to have all of these traits. You deny reality, you hate the truth, you stand for filth (what you call "compassion"), you support disruption, and you're interested in Eastern philosophy. You are a genuine left-winger.

[reggie_love]

Rand Paul has chronic foot in mouth disease, plus his views are considerably more neocon than his father's. That's why he's a tea party candidate, not a libertarian or something.

[west]

Originally Posted by Jim "fuck latinos" Carrey

A "conservative" is someone who is opposed to rapid social change. Ron Paul and his curly haired son are both very supportive of economic growth, which is the most influential precursor to social change and disruption. As you can see, the vast majority of consevatives are dumbasses or at best conservatives in name only. And having compassion for a suffering person does not make you a liberal, it is a combination of traits that make you one, you happen to have all of these traits. You deny reality, you hate the truth, you stand for filth (what you call "compassion"), and you're interested in Eastern philosophy. You are a genuine left-winger.

Maybe by your definition, but back to topic. Reggie, I was under the impression Rand and Ron and quite similar views. Am I wrong?

[Struwwelpeter]

There you go again with that denial of reality. It couldn't be that I am right or that what I said was true, it's merely "my definition". That's just ur uhpinyin

For your knowledge, that is not my definition but THE definition. I took it straight from an encyclopedia.

[da teacha]

Originally Posted by Jim "fuck latinos" Carrey

There you go again with that denial of reality. It couldn't be that I am right or that what I said was true, it's merely "my definition". That's just ur uhpinyin

For your knowledge, that is not my definition but THE definition. I took it straight from an encyclopedia.

*An encyclopedia's definition.

hihi

[west]

Originally Posted by Jim "fuck latinos" Carrey

There you go again with that denial of reality. It couldn't be that I am right or that what I said was true, it's merely "my definition". That's just ur uhpinyin

For your knowledge, that is not my definition but THE definition. I took it straight from an encyclopedia.

Who cares, it doesn't matter lets discuss the topic of Rand and Ron Paul.

[Struwwelpeter]

Ron Paul is great. His son is great too, no abortion for rape victims? I would vote for him. All life is so precious and it must be Preserved.

[The Better Version]

Originally Posted by west

After seeing and hearing from Rand Paul I think he would be a better candidate to represent the ever-growing Tea Party/constitution loving people. Ron Paul is equally if not greater than his son, but he's getting old even though in my opinion his age would not affect his presidency. The younger Paul would have the energy and charisma a more closed-minded person would like with all of the freedom loving attributes of his father. Hopefully Rand Paul will be a nominee for the republican candidate for president. I want to see him kick some ass in some debates, amirite?

Wrong. I like Rand Paul but unfortunately, he's not going to do shit because A. He's still thinking inside the box and doesn't provide a lot of good ideas, among every other politician. B. Even if he had good ideas, nothing can save us now. We're pretty much destined to fail and kill each other off and thats because the system, itself, is inherently flawed. This means that until any progress is made, the entire political and economic system has to fail first. It will be at least a hundred years before we can see real progress.

The Tea Party is an embarrassing pipe dream along with their ideals that they wish to impose onto others. Its contradicting to Libertarianism and for that matter, humanity. But, that doesn't mean we should throw all of their ideas out. We can take a lot from Conservatives. They're like any other group. They get close but not close enough to actually change things.

[Morb]

Originally Posted by Trix Are For Kids

I'm not saying you're wrong at all, the point that I'm getting at is, like most people, you're bending over and taking one like a champ. You have a vote. Use it for what is good, not what looks good. You're biased, and accept it? Well so does every other idiot who ever brought us to this flaming shithole of a world. At least you're not delusional about what you think though...

The idiots who brought us to this flaming shithole were not fiscal conservatives and small "l" libertarians on social issues.

I think people who think like that, who are biased in that way, are biased towards the things that produce better life for people on earth. We're not interested in power or control over people, we're interested in encouraging an exciting world where people are free to make it better. And we accept the risks and trade-offs you have to make in order for everyone to prosper. I want to see a world where everyone is free to make the most of their lives that they possibly can.

You can't do that and want to control others at the same time. That's the difference between people who think like me and most other people.

[reject]

Morb - you say liberals are fundamentally changing America from what the founding fathers envisioned.

You need to learn about your founding fathers and American society of the past 60+ years.

The founding fathers vision is long dead. Its not the current liberals destroying it.

[Morb]

Originally Posted by Zarniwoop

Morb - you say liberals are fundamentally changing America from what the founding fathers envisioned.

You need to learn about your founding fathers and American society of the past 60+ years.

The founding fathers vision is long dead. Its not the current liberals destroying it.

The fundamentals are being challenged, and the basic vision is not only not dead, but it will never die. The basic vision of the Founders has some of the best ideas ever conceived by any humans ever anywhere throughout recorded history. Much better and smarter men than I have died defending that conclusion.

The current liberals are destroying the idea that people can be able to have freedom and live their own lives. Liberals think that the people need to be led by a ruler who thinks in the proper ways, because otherwise they're too stupid to be trusted to live decent lives without coaching from liberals.

In other words, liberals are nothing but modern throwbacks to the dark times of history. They want a setup where they're in control, and people exist to serve the state (or the planet, once the One World Planetary Socialist Union or whatever they want is established). That's the way things have always been throughout human history. So much for "progressivism". Progressing straight to the past.

People like me propose something that is relatively new in all of human history: a state that exists to serve the people. Actually, we don't have to propose it, it has already happened, and to great success overall. But as anyone knows, those who are the most successful will face the most fierce efforts to bring down that success. And that's the cold war the whole world is engaged in right now. I think the war is reaching a head soon, it's heating up.

I just encourage people to take an interest and educate themselves. That's all.

[reject]

Relatively new in human history...... my time machine worked, I'm back in ancient Greece.

[Morb]

Originally Posted by Zarniwoop

Relatively new in human history...... my time machine worked, I'm back in ancient Greece.

I'm not sure if the average Greek citizen was afforded the rights granted by a constitution back then that people enjoy today, but if history is a little off on that account...

...I'm certainly not ashamed to take my basic cues from the Greeks of old, they were definitely an amazing people. I know the Founders of America took at lot of their cues from the ancient Greeks.

That's why I say the idea of freedom, of the state existing for the people instead of the other way around, that idea is immortal and will never die. People will always seek that idea, and people will always die for it. There may be those who seek, and succeed, in subduing it, but eventually people will always end up fighting against that. Because the idea of one or a few ruling the rest is and will always be not only wrong, but stupid and impractical.

It's just very unfortunate to me that we haven't learned from history enough to discard methods that only serve to empower those who seek power over all others.

[reject]

Was it the liberals who made your countries citizens fearful of Islam, and to hate it?

[Agent 008]

Originally Posted by Zarniwoop

Was it the liberals who made your countries citizens fearful of Islam, and to hate it?

[youtube]MkMU4ip6CpY[/youtube]

I suspect this may have had something to do with it.

[Morb]

Originally Posted by Zarniwoop

Was it the liberals who made your countries citizens fearful of Islam, and to hate it?

Liberals are in a state of denial about Islam.

95% of 1.4 billion Muslims the world over would agree with me (not publically, of course, but privately that's what they've been saying for decades). And they are all having a well-deserved laugh over it all.

Personally, I don't hate Islam, but I do think it is a religion for civilized people to fear (and for "moderate" Muslims to reconsider).

[reject]

So even yourself goes against the ideals and thoughts of the founding fathers.

You're destroying it just as much as the liberals.

[Morb]

Originally Posted by Zarniwoop

So even yourself goes against the ideals and thoughts of the founding fathers.

You're destroying it just as much as the liberals.

I'm doing that by questioning Islam?

How so?

[reject]

http://www.cracked.com/article_18911...out-islam.html

#4.

[Morb]

Originally Posted by Zarniwoop

http://www.cracked.com/article_18911...out-islam.html

#4.

So, you trust that Islam is a good religion, and that most Muslims mean the western world no harm?

Am I foolish to be concerned with the attitudes of most Muslims?