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Any ideas on how to change some methylphenidate xl (extended release) into instant release.


When you open the capsules up you get them little balls.
Would crushing these balls and snorting them work?
If not, how could I change the structure so that they would work the same as instant release?
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Old 03-30-2011, 03:01 PM
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Okay, so it's part IR and part time release. It honestly doesn't seem worth it, but you could crush and snort them if you wanted.
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1. Soak little balls in vinegar for a minimum of twelve hours
2. Filter solution
3. Evaporate on steam bath
4. ????
5. PROFIT!!!

Why can't people realize that the trick is to do the extended releasing outside of the stomach?
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Why can't people realize that the trick is to do the extended releasing outside of the stomach?
Because 9/10 times you can just crush the balls and snort it.

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Because 9/10 times you can just crush the balls and snort it.

fuck those little balls flying all over the place. if I ever end up with a bunch of XRs, I'll end up doing something like what bunghole said versus crushing them all
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Because 9/10 times you can just crush the balls and snort it.

Is the one out of the ten times that day you didn't have a sledge hammer and an anvil?
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fuck those little balls flying all over the place. if I ever end up with a bunch of XRs, I'll end up doing something like what bunghole said versus crushing them all
I can't comment on ritalins, but adderalls don't scatted if you're careful. It helps if there's a glass plate with a lip, but a flat surface should still work.

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Is the one out of the ten times that day you didn't have a sledge hammer and an anvil?
The solid ritalin XRs are like this, but amps are not. Though, I think there might be some ritalins with balls, and those should crush easily under spoon.
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Wouldn;t crushing them in a cup with a screwdriver work well enough without scattering anyway?
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Any ideas on how to change some methylphenidate xl (extended release) into instant release.


When you open the capsules up you get them little balls.
Would crushing these balls and snorting them work?
If not, how could I change the structure so that they would work the same as instant release?
these work on the same basis as hydromorph contin or ms contin, the beads are a plastic polymer that does not dissolve or digest, they have pours in them and when acidic water enters it causes a gum of methyphenidate and excipients to be extruded from the bead.

ritalin extendeds are notoriously hard and difficult to work with. there is no chemical means of extraction. with hydromorph we used to grind them up in a mortar and cook up on the ground beads, it would give a nice clean solution but if it was boiled down i dont' know, i doubt its pure drug.

your best bet with methylphen anyway is iv injection, you won't get the true effect any other way, just like ketamine, if you don't im inject it you'll never cross over.

so i would cook them up by grinding one pill at a time, put in spoon, add sterile saline and give it a good thirty second cook at rolling boil, let cool and filter through a cigarette filter into a 1cc 3/4inch 30 gauge syringe. Dont' filter through cotton balls and stuff like that or you could end up with cotton fever, an ugly short duration sickness that makes you feel like killing yourself.

my only other suggestion would be to grind, do a water extraction, remove the water to get a residue then wash the residue with hot toluene, hot acetone, a couple times each then allow the residue to dry again. that might remove some synthetic polymers and waxes. then dissolve the mass in hot methanol, filter hot and allow to cool/evaporate to recrystallize the product.

your last option is to not waste your time on methylphenidate as it is shit and very boring. Stimulants worth while:
1.methamphetamine
2.phenmetrazine, preludin
3.cocaine (to some people)
4.mazindol
5.pipradrol
6.desoxypipradrol can be ok and its very powerful
7.amphetamine

there are other exotic ones out there but you never see them. methcathinone made by a good chemist is a great drug, just like meth, problem is no one has ever had it pure because the syntheses are crap and you can't remove feedstock from product so its mostly psuedo.
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Shooting methylphenidate is a bad idea. If eating the pills/an extracted solution doesn't make you feel how you want, methylphenidate is probably not the drug you're looking for, no matter how you do it.
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1. Soak little balls in vinegar for a minimum of twelve hours
2. Filter solution
3. Evaporate on steam bath
4. ????
5. PROFIT!!!

Why can't people realize that the trick is to do the extended releasing outside of the stomach?
hey bro, you are going to need to explain to me the significance of the acetic acid. Also as the drug is extruded from the beads some delicious curds and way come out with it, it just isn't this simple for chem extraction. prep of injectable solution has been the only liable method i've ever encountered. if i am underinformed please bring me up to speed so to speak.
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Shooting methylphenidate is a bad idea. If eating the pills/an extracted solution doesn't make you feel how you want, methylphenidate is probably not the drug you're looking for, no matter how you do it.
You cant make a statement like that around here without supporting evidence. Why is injecting methylphenidate a bad idea? Are the hospitals endangering the lives of patients with the injectable 1ml ampoules of the drug?

methylphenidate is quite precisely not the drug I am looking for but to others it is, I try to provide accurate information for those who need it, not propaganda, and because of this i've had plenty of thread wars over misinformation. This is an information forum not national socialisms reeducation forum, please provide supporting evidence in the form of quotes or citations and or personal experience.
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You cant make a statement like that around here without supporting evidence. Why is injecting methylphenidate a bad idea?
Because it's a shitty drug (in my experience, anyway). It's unpleasant enough taken orally. I guess it'd be a good idea if you really, really like methylphenidate, but I think better advice would be to move on to Adderall if popping your Ritalin isn't doing it for you.

I'm not criticizing your post or decision to share the information. I read it with interest and am glad to increase my knowledge. Just throwing in my $0.02 on whether or not it's worth it.
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hey bro, you are going to need to explain to me the significance of the acetic acid. Also as the drug is extruded from the beads some delicious curds and way come out with it, it just isn't this simple for chem extraction. prep of injectable solution has been the only liable method i've ever encountered. if i am underinformed please bring me up to speed so to speak.
Well, the only reason for a lower pH is that the tablets are probably designed to disintegrate in acidic water. I figured acidic solution would be a better idea than neutral. Really though, I don't have any hard evidence for this.

But you're probably right about it not being that simple, especially if the capsule is designed to prevent tampering. It definitely wouldn't work with most modern opiate ERs, because you'd almost certainly get a gel. But if there wasn't a tamper, you'd probably end up with a solid debris and a solution that can be decanted. This definitely wouldn't give a pure product, it would probably give a soft, waxy crud. But honestly, I don't think this guy cares that much about purity if he's willing to crush them up and snort the whole thing. The residue might be hard to chop up, though.

For the most part, I had Wellbutrin ERs on the mind when I was thinking about the procedure. All those tablets do when soaked in acidic solution is gel up into a sponge, retaining their original shape and size for the most part. On evaporation you get, as said above, a waxy crud.

I mean, how hard are they trying to prevent Ritalin abuse? It's not like it's Oxycontin or MScontin.

Also, I didn't take into account hydrolysis of the ester. It wouldn't survive the steam bath, probably.
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