This or That??

[M.Faraday]

recently acquired a fair amount of dough.
I have decided to allocate approximately 50k to a nice new or slightly used black convertible.

two which caught my eye:
(although tiny): http://www.canadatrader.com/result/d...dmontonalberta

OR

an amazing '08 TT: http://www.canadatrader.com/result/d...dmontonalberta

Any thoughts or suggestions on similar black convertibles (not American)
would be appreciated.

[Rocko]

I call troll on the following grounds:

-Brags about having money
-Total newbie
-Tries to start some shit by ruling out American cars

[God Like]

go to money or BI and create a thread on how you acquired this cash, you shall receive more attention

[M.Faraday]

not that it's any of your business, neither should i be obligated to tell you how i acquired my money. But i will anyways, mainly because you are merely a name on a list that i will never meet... Inheritance.

Thanks anyways... assholes

p.s. I am only a noob when it comes to zoklet. Had been a member of totse since 2003.

[Agent 008]

Da other thing.

[The Cheshire Cat]

The Lotus. It's a 6 speed manual. It's light and quick, and you won't look like a total rich asshole driving it. You'll look like a rich asshole who has some taste.

[Rocko]

Buy a year old Z06 Vette. If you're gonna have a 2-seater, you might as well have one with 500 horsepower.

[Alamo]

Id agree on the Lotus.

[M.Faraday]

I forgot to mention that from nov-march my area is snowy and icy. The TT Quatro would own the Elise from that standpoint.

[Professor_Skullsworth]

^ In that case get a daily driver car (good on gas, decent in winter and can be driven in a more casual way) and then get a real sports car. For the sports car i'd recomend a boxter S.

[M.Faraday]

Aren't the Audi TT Quatro's excellent for winter driving? What with the 4WD and all?

[ComradeAsh]

That Lotus is screaming 'John Player Special' at me.

[Dr Porsche]

Originally Posted by Professor_Skullsworth

^ In that case get a daily driver car (good on gas, decent in winter and can be driven in a more casual way) and then get a real sports car. For the sports car i'd recomend a boxter S.

No on the Boxster S. People will look at you and think "He's driving the poor man's Porsche". Plus they generally suck maintenance wise, engines are in the middle and near impossible to work on. They do, however, handle quite well, I will give them that.

Go with the Audi, they're reliable, quick, and you will look good driving one. The Lotus is cool too, but you're going to have reliability problems.

[Sponsored Link]

Originally Posted by Dr Porsche

No on the Boxster S. People will look at you and think "He's driving the poor man's Porsche". Plus they generally suck maintenance wise, engines are in the middle and near impossible to work on. They do, however, handle quite well, I will give them that.

Go with the Audi, they're reliable, quick, and you will look good driving one. The Lotus is cool too, but you're going to have reliability problems.

I'll agree on Boxsters being expensive to work on, but they're not as unreliable as say, a Cayenne. Which, even by Porsche standards, is pretty reliable.

[Dr Porsche]

Originally Posted by Sponsored Link

I'll agree on Boxsters being expensive to work on, but they're not as unreliable as say, a Cayenne. Which, even by Porsche standards, is pretty reliable.

I did some research and it looks like the newer Boxsters are pretty reliable.

I guess I kind of have a bias against Boxsters. The only reason I said they were unreliable is because my brother has a 1997 Boxster, which seems to leak oil everywhere, idles irregularly, thermostat issues (spurted coolant everywhere when car only had 10,000 miles, but that was fixed), windows stopped working, random noises while driving, and the back of the top has tears. His car also has less than 50,000 miles. Then again, the 1997 IS the first model off the production line, so I guess it makes sense there would be a handful of quirks.

[rider]

To the OP and those who recommend a TT:

My mother owns one. I cannot stress enough how much you should avoid Audi TTs.

I don't know if my mother got a fluke, but let me go over what's happened in the 7.5k miles she's driven it since she got it.

The car had 40k miles when we bought it. It's been in the shop 5 times since we got it, and some of the plastics have cracked or fallen off.

It's needed a new brake rotor, and a whole new wiring harness. Both of these took about a week and a half to fix. The rest of the times were minor nuisances that you really wouldn't expect from a car that's sold as many as the TT has.

It's not fast. I realize it has 250-some odd horsepower, but it just doesn't feel like it. It feels like a big, underpowered ecobox, and the engine sounds like a Honda Civic with a fart can.

It's very uncomfortable, with hard seats and hard suspension. Despite the "sporty" suspension, it does not handle well. The tires break loose at anything. It feels like your driving a very sport-oriented car that has bike wheels on it.

And this isn't the 2.0 FWD version; this is the full 3.2 Quattro AWD.

And another thing. I don't like to go into prices, but I'll do it to try to stop you making a mistake.

My mother's car had 40k miles, 3.2 Quattro, and it cost 28 thousand dollars. It has very poor visibility, manual seats, no sunroof, no storage compartments besides a very small glovebox that doesn't even fit the handbook, and a small trunk.

My father's car is an Audi A6 2.7 twin-turbo Quattro AWD. It had 50k miles on it, and he payed 13 thousand dollars for it. It is very comfortable, had many storage compartments, had a huge trunk, has a sunroof, and has power seats. It is, believe it or not, just as fast. My mother and father raced off the line, and my mother's TT just barely inched away.

I cannot stress how much you should not buy a TT. You will look like a tool, and feel like one for buying a car based on how it looks alone.

[SizableSac]

The Lotus.

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Oh and GTFO rich douchebag

[Sponsored Link]

Originally Posted by SizableSac

The Lotus.

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Oh and GTFO rich douchebag

Isnt it ironic that you're being a douchebag by assuming hes a douchebag?

[cronic5]

Why do you want a convertible for climate that gets really cold?

[MediumD]

If you care what people think regarding the Boxter... if you get an Audi TT, you will be labeled a homosexual. Get a Vette.

[Township Rebellion]

Originally Posted by Dr Porsche

No on the Boxster S. People will look at you and think "He's driving the poor man's Porsche". Plus they generally suck maintenance wise, engines are in the middle and near impossible to work on. They do, however, handle quite well, I will give them that.

Go with the Audi, they're reliable, quick, and you will look good driving one. The Lotus is cool too, but you're going to have reliability problems.

What Lotus is it? The link shat all over me and gave me a list of cars for sale.

If it's an Elise, bullshit. The north american models are the second generation cars, hence they use Toyota engines, which means engine wise you would have no reliability problems, unless its ten years old and you redline it at every shift and never change or even check the oil.. etc.

If its an Esprit, then yes, avoid it. If it's a straight fight between an Elise and a TT, the TT shouldn't stand a chance.

Rocko, you're just as much of a troll on the grounds of spouting this essentially anti-import bullshit. Look, I've seen the states, america is cool and all and they have built some nice cars in the past, but if we're talking about cars that are built solely to uplift the heart, at any budget, Europe and Japan shits all over the USA, at least in quantity of quality. There are more good imports than there are good domestics. Sorry man, and sorry to those of you who disagree, I'm sure there are others.

I could also come up with a variety of other reasons for the OP to ignore american cars, though in all honesty he doesn't have to - the main issue here is the OP doesn't want to look at any and you're having a whinge about it. A corvette Z06 is useless because he's simply going to crash it at first snowfall thanks to that mighty 500 HP's worth of furious wheel spin. A second gen quattro-equipped TT, however, will give secure grip while looking lovely and at least shuffling along at a good lick, though personally I don't like convertibles. I cannot stress enough, also, that the mk.2 TT is significantly better than the mk.1, dynamically wise. It's quicker, it handles better, it's supposedly more comfortable and better equipped, though I've never driven either, any professional who has driven both say the same thing; don't get an old TT, they're sheep in wolves' clothing. At least the current TT is competent.

On that note, fuck the TT off. Look, rich boy, if you're going to get a fast Audi, get an S4. Unlike the TT, the S4 is a mans car. It's a refined gentleman with a P-90 submachine gun hidden on his person and the will to use it. I would recommend the B7 model RS4, however a quick check finds it's significantly more expensive than your budget allows, though in all honesty, if you can afford it anyway, get the RS4. You'll look like a bad ass, only because the average passer-by probably won't see you because they're too busy staring at its tail. And, guys like Rocko and their big american V8-powered tanks can suck shit because you'd have a highly advanced 400+ HP V8 of your own that can rev to 8 grand and is connected to all four wheels, like it should be. And if you really are a rich cunt, that number can be increased easily and significantly.

And, because after all its also a practical sedan, you won't look like the douche you probably are. Besides, you live in Alberta. What a pointless place to have a drop-top. There are no beautiful people around to impress, and there aren't really any lovely winding hillside roads to properly enjoy the handling of a nimble roadster. And if its fresh air you crave, well, move away from Alberta. At least go somewhere in the mountains. Better yet, just move to BC where at least summers are pleasant enough to enjoy the sky above you.

[M.Faraday]

Originally Posted by Township Rebellion

What Lotus is it? The link shat all over me and gave me a list of cars for sale.

If it's an Elise, bullshit. The north american models are the second generation cars, hence they use Toyota engines, which means engine wise you would have no reliability problems, unless its ten years old and you redline it at every shift and never change or even check the oil.. etc.

If its an Esprit, then yes, avoid it. If it's a straight fight between an Elise and a TT, the TT shouldn't stand a chance.

Rocko, you're just as much of a troll on the grounds of spouting this essentially anti-import bullshit. Look, I've seen the states, america is cool and all and they have built some nice cars in the past, but if we're talking about cars that are built solely to uplift the heart, at any budget, Europe and Japan shits all over the USA, at least in quantity of quality. There are more good imports than there are good domestics. Sorry man, and sorry to those of you who disagree, I'm sure there are others.

I could also come up with a variety of other reasons for the OP to ignore american cars, though in all honesty he doesn't have to - the main issue here is the OP doesn't want to look at any and you're having a whinge about it. A corvette Z06 is useless because he's simply going to crash it at first snowfall thanks to that mighty 500 HP's worth of furious wheel spin. A second gen quattro-equipped TT, however, will give secure grip while looking lovely and at least shuffling along at a good lick, though personally I don't like convertibles. I cannot stress enough, also, that the mk.2 TT is significantly better than the mk.1, dynamically wise. It's quicker, it handles better, it's supposedly more comfortable and better equipped, though I've never driven either, any professional who has driven both say the same thing; don't get an old TT, they're sheep in wolves' clothing. At least the current TT is competent.

On that note, fuck the TT off. Look, rich boy, if you're going to get a fast Audi, get an S4. Unlike the TT, the S4 is a mans car. It's a refined gentleman with a P-90 submachine gun hidden on his person and the will to use it. I would recommend the B7 model RS4, however a quick check finds it's significantly more expensive than your budget allows, though in all honesty, if you can afford it anyway, get the RS4. You'll look like a bad ass, only because the average passer-by probably won't see you because they're too busy staring at its tail. And, guys like Rocko and their big american V8-powered tanks can suck shit because you'd have a highly advanced 400+ HP V8 of your own that can rev to 8 grand and is connected to all four wheels, like it should be. And if you really are a rich cunt, that number can be increased easily and significantly.

And, because after all its also a practical sedan, you won't look like the douche you probably are. Besides, you live in Alberta. What a pointless place to have a drop-top. There are no beautiful people around to impress, and there aren't really any lovely winding hillside roads to properly enjoy the handling of a nimble roadster. And if its fresh air you crave, well, move away from Alberta. At least go somewhere in the mountains. Better yet, just move to BC where at least summers are pleasant enough to enjoy the sky above you.

Your jealousy/insecurity/lack of monetary security became very apparent with your many uses of the word douche (very original by the way) throughout your post.

Let me clear a few things up.
-In no way am I a: gearhead, grease-monkey, tuner, enthusiast, yadda, yadda, yadda...
-My intent was to find a rag-top for spring, summer and fall driving. Which in my part of Alberta is more than suitable for convertible driving.
-I am not a street racer, nor do I want to be. I simply want a slick "head-turning" roadster.
-No winding hillside roads? You must be mistaken with Saskatchewan. Try taking a cross-province drive in and around Golden, BC. The nicest thing that I can say about your point there is that you are WRONG.

I regret ever posting a new thread here. I didn't expect to be replied to by so many disgruntled losers who apparently spend too much time sitting in front of a computer monitor.

thanks anyways to the few who were actually helpful.

[CitizenUzi]

Poor choices. If you legitimately can spend up to 50k you can get any number of amazing vehicles. The new BMW 1 series with their 3.5TT is awesome. I'm partial to the 5, 6 and 7 series also. The audi S4, RS4 and RS6 are amazing, even the avant (Wagon) is fucking siiiick. Late 90's, early 00's M5, M3. Don't overlook american stuff because it will be a tremendous bang for that kind of money. Some japanese cars would again cost you little and get you a lot. If you're not just being troll happy, make sure you make a careful and informed decision!

[Township Rebellion]

Originally Posted by M.Faraday

Your jealousy/insecurity/lack of monetary security became very apparent with your many uses of the word douche (very original by the way) throughout your post.

Let me clear a few things up.
-In no way am I a: gearhead, grease-monkey, tuner, enthusiast, yadda, yadda, yadda...
-My intent was to find a rag-top for spring, summer and fall driving. Which in my part of Alberta is more than suitable for convertible driving.
-I am not a street racer, nor do I want to be. I simply want a slick "head-turning" roadster.
-No winding hillside roads? You must be mistaken with Saskatchewan. Try taking a cross-province drive in and around Golden, BC. The nicest thing that I can say about your point there is that you are WRONG.

I regret ever posting a new thread here. I didn't expect to be replied to by so many disgruntled losers who apparently spend too much time sitting in front of a computer monitor.

thanks anyways to the few who were actually helpful.

Oh boy! I get to flame someone for being stupid! Though somehow I don't think you'll read this. In fact, this post will be doubly biting because my original post was trying to be helpful, trying to keep someone from wasting their money on a mediocre car when they have the opportunity to buy an awesome car. Your welcome, asshole.

It's not that I'm jealous or insecure, and even though I don't have much money at this time, my comments still have nothing to do with that. To be honest, if I had 50 grand to spend on a car, I wouldn't get the sort of vehicle you're talking about.. in fact, I might not even spend 50 grand on a car unless that's how much it takes to rebuild. In fact, despite the trouble its given me, I feel rather proud of the vehicle I already have, or at least I will when I've finished turning it into the vehicle it deserves to be.

That's fine if you're not a real enthusiast, which in all honesty you shouldn't have bothered posting here anyway because this forum is largely made up of the Gearheads from Totse, and most of us aren't what one would call "casual" car guys. I am mildly heartened to hear that you aren't a street racer, because I specifically do not like street racing - ie - the act of two vehicles racing on public roads, generally in populated areas. I don't mind driving very very fast on a forest or mountain road of some kind, because a mistake means it's usually only you and the car will suffer, and that's a risk I'm comfortable with.

Now; here's where you go wrong. My vehicle is a 1985 VW Vanagon Westfalia. I live in Penticton, BC. I used said VW to drive from Penticton east across Canada (taking a fair amount of time to lull around Alberta. Trust me, unless you live in or near Drumheller or somewhere in the mountains near BC, you live in an incredibly shitty area. Alberta smells of manure and has long, boring, straight roads. Hey, I no longer hate you Albertans but your roads and land are generally pretty mediocre), as well as tour south through the USA and back up to BC via the west coast. It was not in any way easy, either, in fact I only mention the make and model of my vehicle to impress upon you why it was so difficult. I have seen more of Canada than you can fathom; trust me sunshine, BC is where the good roads are at. The funny part is you mention Golden, which is inside BC. Thanks for proving my point. Also, by making my previous statement, it proves I am not one of your "disgruntled losers who spend too much time in front of a computer screen". I thought I'd just point out the obvious.

To be honest, that's fine if you want to buy a convertible to swan around and look "cool" in. To me, that is an improper use of a sports car, and honestly if you just want to look cool, you should actually make a 180 and fuck the Audi and Lotus off and get an old Cadillac drop-top or something. One of those fancy '50s models with the massive tail-fins. And pink shag-carpeting, with fuzzy dice. You can pimp it up with hydrolics and put massive, piss-ugly chrome wheels on it. Albertans generally have terrible taste in cars so you'll be the coolest douche in town.

[CitizenUzi]

Oh, I just remembered: Anyone who has that much money and doesn't spend it on at least 3 different awesome vehicles is a gay.

1 open wheel roadster ala super 7 or cat.
1 sporty but reliable and well built AWD or RWD daily.
1 choice of big truck, old muscle car, both and/or a motorcycle.