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Old 05-05-2011, 11:32 PM
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Question Belladonna Alkaloids/Phenobarbital

A friend of mine stumbled upon some of these pills called Donnatal.

Each pill contains:
Phenobarbital 16.2mg
Atropine Sulfate 0.0194mg
Hyoscyamine Sulfate 0.1037mg
Scopolamine Hydrobromide 0.0065mg

Basically, I am wondering if you can take enough of these to feel the phenobarbital without having any negative effects from the belladonna alkaloids? I was also wondering if there was any way to extract the phenobarbital from these?

Anybody have any information they can give me about the belladonna alkaloids? I looked around quite a bit and couldn't find much on the dosage. Are you able to take a few of these without side effects from the belladonna alkaloids? Or should they just be saved for a little potentiation of benzos and such things?

Any info at all would be cool, personal experiences would be even better.
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They're good to help you sleep, but I am warning you now, do not try to abuse them or you will highly regret it.
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That is, unless you like deliriants.
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I'd be very interested if there's a method of extacting phenobarbital from belladonna.
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Old 05-06-2011, 12:34 AM
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Lol yeah that's what I kinda figured. Is it safe to take around 2 or 3 of them to potentiate benzos or something? Do you happen to know how many you are able to take without the belladonna alkaloids having any bad side effects? Or does anybody know if there is a way of extracting just the phenobarbital from the pill?

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You could take two or three, sure, but you're likely to still have some rather nasty side effects.
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Default Re: Belladonna Alkaloids/Phenobarbital

What a stupid fucking combination of chemicals. Can someone please find a solvent that can separate phenobarbital from the datura garbage? How easy are these pills to buy online? I've done everything from acid to benzos to heroin to coke but barb's have ALWAYS eluded me. I've heard such great things!!! Need to try...
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You could take two or three, sure, but you're likely to still have some rather nasty side effects.
Wow even just two of them will give some bad side effects?

Im definitely not worried about taking these things then. Doesn't even sound like they are worth taking at all to me. That would be cool if somebody knew how to extract the phenobarbital though.
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Old 05-06-2011, 01:12 AM
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Wow even just two of them will give some bad side effects?
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Well, the belladonna alkaloids will overpower the phenobarbital. If you're shooting for a barbiturate high, then Donnatal isn't your best bet.

Me personally, I wouldn't waste my time with them. However, if you're hard-up for a high, take two or three, but I wouldn't go more than three.

Even with two or three, you are sure to notice the deleriant effects taking hold - which most people find unpleasant.
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The belladonna alkaloids potentiate opioids, and are sometimes used in conjunction with them. I'm not sure if they'd have the same effect with barbs, since the two classes of chemical aren't very related (AFAIK).

Edit: "The combination of belladonna alkaloids and phenobarbital is used to treat irritable bowel syndrome and ulcers in the intestine." Hmm.
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The belladonna alkaloids potentiate opioids, and are sometimes used in conjunction with them.

I think they are also used in some cardiac medication.
As well as nausea, especially due to motion sickness.
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As well as nausea, especially due to motion sickness.
Makes sense, since opioids can cause nausea too.
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yeah that is way to low of a dose of phenobarb to do anything with to much risk with the atropine and Scopolamine that is one of the reasons they make these combos so they are not abuse able.


IIRC scopolamine was the shit they were given to people in Columbia and then they rob the shit out of the people while the person is tripping/delirious and they don't know what the fuck is going on and they even sometimes help clear out their own house and shit for their perpetrators. There was a little online documentary/video report about that in Columbia.

IIRC you need a good 200mgs of phenobarb to get any kind of decent buzz and if you have any kind of tolerance to benzos there may be a cross tolerance, who knows.

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Thanks for all the good answers guys.

Im not even gonna take any of them. There's no way around just getting the phenobarbital so im not too worried about it.
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No one with an orgo degree that can chime in with a possible solvent???
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Used to be this stuff called Athsmador. It was ground belladonna leaf. You were supposed to put in a burner and inhale the fumes for athsma.
This was when I was a kid (18). A friend told me it would get you high, to eat about a tablespoon of the leaves. Really, really crazy shit. Did not even realize you were loaded. Had conversations with dragons, bears etc. Kind of like walking around 3/4 asleep with no self awareness at all. Told my parents as I was talking to the dragons. Could very easily have died from it. Belladonna is also known as deadly nightshade. This was the only time in my life I have ever experienced real hallucinations. (actually believing the stuff you are seeing is real). Lasted for hours. Not pleasant at all.
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This was the only time in my life I have ever experienced real hallucinations. (actually believing the stuff you are seeing is real). Lasted for hours. Not pleasant at all.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I've always read that hallucinations you believe to be real are deliriants, not hallucinations.
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That is true. Hallucinations and delirium are the same thing.
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phenobarbitol sucks ass anyway
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