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About a month or two ago, I tried nutmeg at a ten gram dose. That experience was quite pleasant. So on sunday at approx 4:30 pm I dosed 15 grams of grated nutmeg, fifteen grams being three whole nuts. I was feeling the onset by around 9-10pm, with a distinct euphoric peak. By around 11-12PM, I was quite close to peaking, and did notice a more intense high than last time. The nutmeg was grated about a month ago, into a sealed bag; seemed to maintain it's freshness. Overall, this was a really pleasant experience just like last time. I would compare nutmeg most readily to marijuana or even hash (especially the peak).

I was feeling well stoned from 12-6am, and when I awoke at about 1pm monday I was still feeling an afterglow high most of the day. Had a bucke ontop of my nutmeg afterglow last night, that was pretty decent. The only "negative" parts I can think of were the taste (meh, not so bad) dry mouth, a bit of lethargy and an increased heart rate. I tried 10g and then 15g, because I had heard and read so much *negative* talk about nutmeg. I found that nutmeg gives me creative energy, my mind went into contemplation/theoretics mode when I peaked, like a flood of ideas. I felt very chilled, relaxed and carefree. Limited feelings of stupor, instead feelings of clarity before I went to sleep. Doesn't have that same paranoia that comes with weed, but has the nice stuff like euphoria and "chillness". No visuals. So far, it has been a pleasant surprise... so the next 20g trip should be fun I know some people have done 40-100g doses, I think rhys (chi/whore to a chainsaw) said he has done 40g. This drug is over-demonized and under-rated
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Good to hear. I do nutmeg at least once a month. Two nuts from my stock is a good dose though I want to experiment with larger doses.

However, through a little research, I have found evidence that even freshly ground nuts are poor way of ingesting the spice. The best way, apparently, for experience, comfort and lack of side effects is Nutmeg Oil, that is readily availalble online.

Though one must be selective with the oil they purchase. Cheap oils are not distilled for long enough and as such they don't include high levels of mystracin/other good shit. If your oils is labelled 'Therapeutic Use' then you should be good to go. Oil from Indonesia is said to be very good.

And you only need a drop or two! No more forcing nutmeg down, no more nutmeg burps, no more stomach cramps and apparently the body load is lessened considerably so you don't get that hangover feel that can happen and it is meant to be a superior experience. Can't wait to try it.

Here's a link about the oil...

http://herbs.maxforum.org/2010/09/02...han-nutmeg-nu/

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Good to hear. I do nutmeg at least once a month. Two nuts from my stock is a good dose though I want to experiment with larger doses.

However, through a little research, I have found evidence that even freshly ground nuts are poor way of ingesting the spice. The best way, apparently, for experience, comfort and lack of side effects is Nutmeg Oil, that is readily availalble online.

Though one must be selective with the oil they purchase. Cheap oils are not distilled for long enough and as such they don't include high levels of mystracin/other good shit. If your oils is labelled 'Therapeutic Use' then you should be good to go. Oil from Indonesia is said to be very good.

And you only need a drop or two! No more forcing nutmeg down, no more nutmeg burps, no more stomach cramps and apparently the body load is lessened considerably so you don't get that hangover feel that can happen and it is meant to be a superior experience. Can't wait to try it.

Here's a link about the oil...

http://herbs.maxforum.org/2010/09/02...han-nutmeg-nu/
Yup, have heard about nutmeg oil. After reading that, I am soo getting oil.

Edit: Oil looks to be about 1$ a ml. Damn, 5-20 trips off 10$.
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Edit: Oil looks to be about 1$ a ml. Damn, 5-20 trips off 10$.
If you go ahead and order let me know what site/supplier you went with, if you don't mind. Cheers
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Anyone tried mace?

It's the red flesh which incases the nutmeg seed. Supposedly has higher concentrations of mistricin (sp) in it. I actually have 40g of dried mace in bass guitar case, been there about four years.
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If you go ahead and order let me know what site/supplier you went with, if you don't mind. Cheers
I have used IamShaman previously, and it's decent in price as-well as trustworthy. However, they refuse to ship to Australia, probably something to do with customs. I will use IamShaman if I cannot find a New Zealand source.

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You don't like the nutmeg oil in the health food store? Right next to the other little bottles of cedar/grapefruit peel/neroli/patchouli oils.

I pay $8/15ml.
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You don't like the nutmeg oil in the health food store? Right next to the other little bottles of cedar/grapefruit peel/neroli/patchouli oils.

I pay $8/15ml.
How is it? First hand experience vs ground nuts?
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How is it? First hand experience vs ground nuts?
I can only compare it to the pre-ground. It's better than the stuff I used trashy lighter fluid to extract but not quite as good as the pre-ground. More convenient though.
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I used to grind four to six whole nuts and dose solely to meditate. It worked outstandingly. Nutmegs for sure the one otc psychoactive I appreciate the most. I want to try some concentrated forms but I cant spot any locally
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I can only compare it to the pre-ground. It's better than the stuff I used trashy lighter fluid to extract but not quite as good as the pre-ground. More convenient though.
Hmm. Oil as effective as pre-ground? That article ed posted says oil is more effective than freshly-ground (which is of course more effective than pre-ground).
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Have you tried mace? It's more potent than nutmeg.
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I have used IamShaman previously, and it's decent in price as-well as trustworthy. However, they refuse to ship to Australia, probably something to do with customs. I will use IamShaman if I cannot find a New Zealand source.

https://www.iamshaman.com/eshop/10Ex...uctCode=NMG-EO
Found a new zealand site:

http://www.essentialoil.co.nz/pure_e..._pricelist.htm

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NOW brand and probably anything sold in stores for aroma is not as effective as whole seeds. I've ingested upwards of 10mL to no effect besides a slightly altered state. There is a list of countries with the highest myristicin content nutmeg oil somewhere on the internet, and Indonesian had the greatest or nearly so.
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Bugger the nutmeg oil, go for hungarian parsley seed oil. It's supposed to be near 50% myristicin.
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Well, I ordered 10ml of nutmeg oil earlier today. Should arrive within a few days. Looking forward to this Will post a trip report later
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Received the nutmeg oil today. Will likely try it in the next few days.

Edit: The oil is produced locally, from Indonesian nutmeg plants.
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Around 7PM I came home with dinner, dosed three drops of nutmeg oil into 1ml measuring spoon, then into a small amount of milk, and had a small feed. Within about an hour I noticed some mood alteration (distinct from the effects of the bowl I smoked before dinner). It is about 10pm now, and I haven't experienced any change in effects since around 9PM. I know that nutmeg can have hugely varying bio availability/ tolerance (a range of up to ten times). About ten minutes ago, I got the 2ml measuring spoon and filled it to the brim with nutmeg oil, then placed that into a cup of tea with condensed milk. The flavour is palatable, even enjoyable, and I know for sure this stuff will make one hell of an eggnog. More to come when it arrives.

Edit: I made the tea because the milk ran out. I poured the oil into yoghurt instead of milk. Then I decided to add tea to it. The yogurt curdled and I was left with curdled lukewarm yoghurt tea with an overwhelming taste of nutmeg. PROTIP: Stick to milk (or capsules)
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Yea, i filled a cup of eggnog with about half a spice-jar of nutmeg once and drank it all down. Dry mouth, no balance, semi-headache, little euphoria. Was similar to a DPH trip. Can't say I really enjoyed it, but I'm willing to give it a second go with the oil though.
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If you want an even cleaner healthier way to experience nutmeg use Nutmeg Xtreme. This is nutmeg essential oil with only the psychedelic essential oils present. All the other crap is removed. This gives a very good clean psychedelic experience. If you take 10-20 drops of it 20 minutes after taking 5 drops of German chamomile oil and 5 drops of cinnamon bark oil, it’s very psychedelic. Its nothing like pot that way. German chamomile oil and cinnamon bark oil prevent the body from easily destroying myristicin. If you don’t take these other oils, your body will break down a lot of the myristicin, making it more like a pot high than a true psychedelic experience.


It's been an hour since I dosed again. I don't even feel mood elevation. I have been doing some research, and it seems some oils have very very low concentrations of active chemicals, whilst some oils have very very high concentrations (i.e. nutmeg xtreme). Also apparently some people have a natural tolerance and difficulty translating the active chemicals into their psychedelic form i.e. from smoking or coffee. If you have difficulty with enzymes, you can take some potentiators /catalysts mentioned in the quote above, or as rizzo said, parsely, cloves, parsnip. You can use chamomile tea instead of camomile oil.

So basically, I'm off to brew a shitload of chamomile tea.

Edit: Bugger, this is going to be more hassle than I thought. If I don't feel any effects when I wake up (likely) I will dose 2.5ml with alot of chamomile. If that is not successful, I will make some marijuana firecrackers.
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I took rizzo's advice and cranked out some mace, cloves, parsley and parsnip. Cloves I have read about as a potentiator, but not so much mace and parsnip (mace totally makes sense, seeing as it practically is nutmeg). There is a half a teaspoon of cloves in milk, and some whole cloves for chewing. The bowl of greens is parsley from the garden. I will down a teaspoon of mace with some orange juice... and next to the mace you will see a bit of shredded parsnip. Within the clear cup is some cayenne pepper tea (with ginger, cinnamon, lemon, honey... basically for flavour). On top of this tea is some black pepper, which some say can potentiate essential oils such as nutmeg. In the mug is some coffee for later, and in the pot is some squeezed chamomile tea, which I will drink two pots of. Last but not least, essential nutmeg oil. I'm hoping with this many potentiators, something is psychoactive is bound to happen. I will take some before (.e. mace), some during (i.e. black pepper) and some after (i.e. the cayenne pepper, coffee). I also haven't eaten in about twelve hours.


All of these items where found in and around the house!

Edit: After half a bowl of parsley, few handfuls of parsnip, couple cloves and six cups of chamomile tea, and am feeling very chilled, but who wouldn't be after six cups of chamomile tea. I also downed half a teaspoon of mace with the orange juice. Gonna finish off this cup of tea, then down the hatchet with the clove milk, then the nutmeg oil milk

Edit: Clove milk tastes fucking delicious, so does raw parsnip.

Edit: Nutmeg oil has been ingested, at a dose of 2.5ml. Proceeding to chew some cloves and some black pepper (whole mixed with cracked).

Edit: It seems that there have been some issues with the dosage. The nutmeg oil has a low level of density, which I failed to take into account in my previous doses. Although the measuring spoon said 1ml, but that is at for a certain density (water?). So it seems the doses where about 5-10 times lower than I had expected (depending on mystricin levels). According to the measuring spoon, I have now dosed ten ml in less than 24 hours. Looking at the bottle of nutmeg oil, it is at about 75% capacity. Before I dosed it was at about 85% capacity. So even though I just dosed about 7-8ml (30 drops), only about 1ml of nutmeg oil has been consumed. Maybe you can trip off a few drops of hungarian parsley seed oil, but not yer standard essential nutmeg oil. So today I have dosed approx 1.25-1.5ml. This could be anywhere from 10-100mg of mystricin (bare in mind potentiating). My previous doses were .3ml and 1ml. If I don't notice much effect within 15 minutes, I will dose another 2ml (30% of the current bottle). My mouth tastes like pepper and cloves, which are surprisingly pungent. Perhaps a person with a particular bodily condition could trip off .5ml of strong nutmeg oil without potentiating. As I have found out, with psychedelic essential oils, the condition of the body has a major role. I haven't eaten in a while, I feel the strange urge to batter and deep fry an egg for some reason. I am definitely not sober after ingesting all of these substances, but I'm not really high either.

Note: If you look in the bottle when the picture was taken without any of today's doses, it is at about 90-95% capacity.

Edit: Update: Time for the third dosage. Just dosed four teaspoons of nutmeg oil, approx 40 drops, roughly 3ml. I have now ingested 4.5ml in the two-three hours. At a minimum that is 40mg of mystricin, at the most 400mg. If this doesn't get me trippin balls, dunno what will. ***Considers finishing off the bottle if there aren't any effects in an hour or two***. Also my lips fuckin burn, the oil really is volatile. I had high hopes for nutmeg oil, but is has been a bit of a let down so far. If 10mg of fresh nuts can give me some effect, why not 4.5ml of oil with potentiation? I am off the cook some firecrackers

Edit: I think it's kicking in, can't say for sure. Definitely getting that intoxicated pre-amble feeling happening.

Edit: Okay, it as been three hours since the first dose, and one hour since the last dose. Given that the peak takes 3-5 hours, the max peak will kick in around 10pm at the latest. I am feeling some noticeable mood alteration at the present moment. I was chatting to someone in an online game and I randomly started smiling. I am feeling tingly vibrations, similar to a dex come up. I remember the experience from the whole nuts, and the initial phases seem somewhat similar to this. Will report back if any "developments" happen. I am not feeling sober.

Edit: 6:30PM. It should have kicked in by now, I am sceptical of this actually happening. Downed my first firecracker just before.
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Alright well. Here is a summary of what happened: It's afternoon now, I slept for 12 hours.The nutmeg oil failed and so did the firecrackers. I feel very relaxed at the moment, but I didn't trip. I dunno what's up. I will be re-trying this again next weekend after further research. I will probably go with grapefruit juice next time. I promised you guys a trip report, so I might as well give one (more of a trip story though):

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About fifteen minutes later I'm peaking and we seem to both be on the same plateu. I go to have a refreshing/relief-full chunder in the toilet; robo-chuck feels horrible but in a somewhat masochistic way feels really nice afterwards. So we are tripping balls, I estimate with the potentiation he was on lower third plateu, as I was on a very high second with bits and bobs of third. I can't remember a-lot of what happened. I think initially we were both in my bro's room. I was playing Gunz Online, and I remember thinking and remarking how wierd it is PvPing (gaming) whilst dexing (it really is sensational). My bro was tripping balls, I don't think it was a bad trip, he was on his bed with his eyes shut just going with the flow. We were talking at first and then then for about thirty minutes we just listened to the music; I was gaming, he was chilling. Shortly after this he was telling me that he was having a conversation (in his head) with me, and that he thought it was actually happening. Seems like he was having a sort of day dream, or quite lucid imaginative closed eyed visuals.

By this time I had a good robowalk going. I felt that classic wierd dexy disassociation. In particular I remember watching some Alan Watts videos, a short film called "A conversation with myself". I was having difficulty focusing on the video, as the screen was going in and out of focus. The audio was crystal, but I felt sort of agitated or obssesive-compuslive about focusing on the video. Any time I closed by eyes I felt a bit of relief. It wasn't so much agitating as it was wierd. Anyway, about two and a half hours into the trip, my brother has the bright idea of smoking some JWH-018.

In our dexed out manner, we thought this would be a great idea. We were at that nice part of the trip, (2+ hours) were it smooths out a bit, and offers a bit more clarity of perception, in other words not as muddled. Well anyway, we had one bucke of JWH each, and two ciggaretes. Anyone who has tried, knows that JWH in a bucke is much more potent than the ciggarete method; these bucke's would be more than enough. So we had our jwh wrapped in some ciggarete paper. I think tese were about 15-25mg each, it's difficult to be sure. I think we smoked the ciggaretes first; one a piece. And these were not pre-rolled ciggaretes, they were rolled ciggaretes in the shape of a king sized paper spliff. I did not know at the time that my brother had candy flossed these ciggaretes with a line of JWH from top to bottum. These were perhaps 30mg each. By the time we do the gravity hits we are about 3 hours into the dex trip, and the jdub hits us quite fast. Consider that those buckes put at us equivalent 750mg dex and 50mg JWH each; we did not expect what we were in for.

The JWH and dex did not seem to cancel each other out all; they synergized. The experience that followed I did wasn't really prepared for at all. It was sort of like being on NOS and amphetamines that last a couple hours. A-lot of it is so hazey now. I remember we were on the steps outside the garage (our smoking spot). And we were chatting; I was sketching out a bit. My hard was beating quite rapidly, as is fairly normal on jdub or dex. I was fretting a bit so I went to get water in the kitchen; I did not explain this to my brother. I simply upped and left into the kitchen and came back with water. I did this twice I think. And one of the time I made it into the garage (before the kitchen) and got sort of stuck, thinking about whether or not to get water, then why I am here, for what reason am I in the garage. Amongst all of this I was peaking.

I can remember that it is not only my post experience memory that has faded, but also during the experience my memory was muddled. I had difficulty remembering in was steps/stages I had done certain actions, and how long they took. Akwardly, the movements from the kitchen to garage to outside and vice versa seemed simultaniously only a few seconds long, yet I felt that they had occured a long time ago (30 minutes or so). I was getting very akward time distortion, and it seemed the trip became fuzzy particularly when I made a conscious effort to use memory, rather than being present in the moment. I'm not sure what was happening with my bro, but I think at that point he was having a *bad trip*. We went inside.

Shortly after we are inside, I seem to be coming down. I am certanily under the influence of the JWH, but not that chaotic frenzied state I was in before outside. My brother comes into my room as he is tripping balls, which he often does when he is having a bad trip. I think he said he thought he was going to die... his heart rate was up. At this point, we were coming down, but still tripping. We sort of freaked ourselves out a bit when the bedroom door moved a bit. We became quite paranoid and were hearing noises in the house. My brother convinced himself and me that someone or someting was in the house; so we suspiciously make our way through the house. It would have been pretty lulzy to see from a sober third person perspective. From there we started to chill a bit and had an epic afterglow for about two days. My brother was in bed for about two days. For yer information my parents were on holiday during all of this.
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Ingredients:

Four 250mg firecrackers of decent quality
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10g:1l ratio solar steeped sinicuichi tea
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Damn. Decent stone from that, muscles are fucked now.
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Damn. Decent stone from that, muscles are fucked now.

The shortness of that report says it all! Must be fucked to not do the usual (excellent) lengthy ones!
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Update: Recently ordered some parsley seed oil (70% mystyiricin) , alongside some cinnamon bark oil for enzyme inhibition. Gonna get some loose leaf chamomile tea for additional enzyme inhibition then I'm good to go.
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I was so hoping someone would do this. Many have long assumed myristicin to be the active component of nutmeg, yet no one has tested shit. Be sure to post results!
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This is the nutmeg oil your after

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Fuck yeah glad to see someone else on these boards interested in experimenting with this stuff.
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I felt stoned as balls for over 24 hours with nutmeg. Ate 30g though. No actual "trip" for me.
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I felt stoned as balls for over 24 hours with nutmeg. Ate 30g though. No actual "trip" for me.
If yer enzymes aren't inhibited, you can easily experience a more sedated feeling rather than a psychedelic one. What you want are substances which inhibit CYP1A2 and/or CYP2A6 enzymes.
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Got the package yesterday. Wanted to fast and refresh my knowledge on this stuff (oilhuasca), so I didn't dose yesterday. It's currently 8:47 PM, and I am planning to dose in around an hour or two.
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ZOMG, cinnamon bark oil is fuckin tasty, it tastes like big red chewing gum. Got 5g of chamomile tea brewing next to me. I will drink half of it now, and the rest with the dose. Been hard to track down dosages for mysticism. I calculated that nutmegs usually contains 2-5% mystiricin, and at a 10g dose that is about 30-75mg dose of mystiricin. So I am going to dose going for four drops (approx 80mg myristicin). I think this is a good starting dose. Always better to start lower and work yer way up I reckon. Also for you chaps interested in chamomile tea as a potential. Put some sort of lid ontop while it's brewing, it keeps the essential oils in the tea by stopping them from evaporating. Also sqeeze the daylights out of it. I don't have capsules so I am taking the oil with a small amount of milk.

Edit: Dosed 4 drops of Parsely Seed Oil. Along with 10 more drops of cinnamon bark oil. I will finish off the chamomile now, which is very very strong, coloured brown. I hope I have enough enzyme inhibition. Another good oil for inhibition is clove leaf oil, which can be substituted by chewing on cloves (which is like soaking a fuckin chilli in yer mouth), though I haven't bothered with that right now.
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RELEVANT:

Here are some of the plants in which essential oils of interest, containing high boiling phenylpropanoids, may be found.

Apiole:
Petroselinum crispum -- Parsley; 19,650 - 36,580 ppm in Seed;
Piper cubeba -- Cubeb, Cubeb Pepper; 300 - 600 ppm in Fruit;
Petroselinum crispum -- Parsley; 0.36 - 22 ppm in Leaf JKA33:62 2;
Anethum graveolens -- Dill, Garden Dill; in Root;
Apium graveolens -- Celery; in Essential Oil;
Foeniculum vulgare -- Fennel; in Fruit; Levisticum officinale --
Lovage; in Seed;
Oenanthe aquatica -- Water Fennel, Water Hemlock; in Fruit;
Oenanthe crocata L. -- Water Dropwort; in Root;
Peperomia pelucida -- Pepper elder, Yerba de la plata; in Plant TRA;
Sassafras albidum -- Sassafras; in Root;

Asarone:
Daucus carota -- Carrot; 400 ppm in Seed;
Piper cubeba -- Cubeb, Cubeb Pepper; in Fruit;
Sassafras albidum -- Sassafras; in Root;

Croweacin:
Eriostemon crowei --- see TiKHAL
Asarum sieboldii --- Siebold's wild ginger; in Root;

Dillapiole:
Anethum graveolens -- Dill, Garden Dill; 1,440 - 40,425 ppm in Fruit;
Cuminum cyminum -- Cumin; 150 ppm in Fruit;
Piper cubeba -- Cubeb, Cubeb Pepper; in Fruit;
Piper guineense -- Ashanti pepper; 380,000 - 880,500 ppm in Leaf essential oil;
Perilla frutescens -- Perilla; 2,200 - 3,400 ppm in Leaf;
Foeniculum vulgare -- Fennel; in Root Essential Oil;

Elemicin:
Canarium indicum -- Java-Olive, Manila Elemi; 3,500 - 8,750 ppm in
Essential Oil;
Myristica fragrans -- Mace, Muskatnussbaum (Ger.), Nutmeg, nogal moscado
(Sp.), nuez moscada (Sp.); 20 - 3,500 ppm in Seed;
Perilla frutescens -- Perilla; 2,500 - 3,200 ppm in Leaf PC25:2085;
Daucus carota -- Carrot; 2,000 ppm in Seed;
Petroselinum crispum -- Parsley; 821 ppm in Seed;
Acorus calamus -- Calamus, Flagroot, Myrtle Flag, Sweet Calamus, Sweetflag,
Sweetroot; 10 - 650 ppm in Rhizome;
Collinsonia canadensis -- Stone Root; 18 ppm in Plant;
Petroselinum crispum -- Parsley; 18 ppm in Leaf;
Anethum graveolens -- Dill, Garden Dill; in Plant;
Asarum canadense -- Wild Ginger; in Rhizome;
Asiasarum heterotropoides -- Asian Wild Ginger; in Root;
Juniperus virginiana -- Red Cedar; in Leaf;
Laurus nobilis -- Bay, Bay Laurel, Bayleaf, Grecian Laurel, Laurel, Sweet Bay; in Plant;
Sassafras albidum -- Sassafras; in Root;
Syringa vulgaris -- Lilac; in Flower;

Myristicin:
Pastinaca sativa -- Parsnip; 183,000 - 662,000 ppm in Root Essential Oil;
Petroselinum crispum -- Parsley; 14,785 - 19,800 ppm in Seed;
Myristica fragrans -- Mace, Muskatnussbaum (Ger.), Nutmeg, nogal moscado (Sp.), nuez moscada (Sp.); 800 - 12,800 ppm in Seed;
Perilla frutescens -- Perilla; 300 - 3,800 ppm in Leaf;
Petroselinum crispum -- Parsley; 425 - 2,550 ppm in Plant;
Myristica fragrans -- Mace, Muskatnussbaum (Ger.), Nutmeg, nogal moscado (Sp.), nuez moscada (Sp.); 410 - 620 ppm in Leaf;
Carum carvi -- Caraway, Carum, Comino (Sp.), Comino de prado (Sp.), Kummel (Ger.); 60 - 420 ppm in Fruit;
Petroselinum crispum -- Parsley; 131 ppm in Leaf;
Carum carvi -- Caraway, Carum, Comino (Sp.), Comino de prado (Sp.), Kummel (Ger.); 120 ppm in Plant;
Daucus carota -- Carrot; 0.5 - 34 ppm in Root; Anethum graveolens -- Dill, Garden Dill; in Fruit; in Root;
Apium graveolens -- Celery; in Plant;
Coriandrum sativum -- Chinese Parsley, Cilantro, Coriander; in Fruit;
Foeniculum vulgare -- Fennel; in Fruit;
Levisticum officinale -- Lovage; in Seed;
Oenanthe aquatica -- Water Fennel, Water Hemlock; in Fruit;
Oenanthe crocata -- Water Dropwort; in Plant;
Oenanthe javanica -- Javan Water Dropwort; in Fruit;
Pimpinella anisum -- Anise, Sweet Cumin; in Plant;
Piper nigrum -- Black Pepper, Pepper, White Pepper; in Fruit;
Sassafras albidum -- Sassafras; in Root;
Vaccinium corymbosum -- Blueberry; in Fruit;

Safrole:
Sassafras albidum -- Sassafras; 8,000 - 16,000 ppm in Root;
Myristica fragrans -- Mace, Muskatnussbaum (Ger.), Nutmeg, nogal moscado (Sp.), nuez moscada (Sp.); 120 - 2,720 ppm in Seed;
Ocimum basilicum -- Basil, Cuban Basil, Sweet Basil; 60 - 400 ppm in Plant JBH JAD;
Rosmarinus officinalis -- Rosemary; 32 - 95 ppm in Plant;
Hamamelis virginiana -- Witch Hazel; 10 ppm in Leaf;
Anethum graveolens -- Dill, Garden Dill; in Plant;
Angelica sinensis -- Chinese Angelica, Dang Gui, Dang Quai, Dang Qui, Dong Gui,
Dong Quai; in Root;
Asiasarum heterotropoides -- Asian Wild Ginger; in Root;
Asiasarum sieboldii -- Siebold's Wild Ginger; in Root;
Camellia sinensis -- Tea; in Leaf;
Cananga odorata -- Cananga, Ylang-Ylang; in Flower;
Chenopodium ambrosioides -- Epazote, Wormseed; in Plant;
Cinnamomum aromaticum -- Canela de la China (Sp.), Canelero chino (Sp.),
Canelle de Cochinchine (Fr.), Cannelier Casse (Fr.), Cannelier de Chine (Fr.),
Cassia, Cassia Bark, Cassia Lignea, China Junk Cassia, Chinazimt (Ger.), Chinese
Cassia, Chinese Cinnamon, Chinesischer Zimtbaum (Ger.), Kashia-Keihi (Jap.),
Saigon Cinnamon, Zimtcassie (Ger.); in Plant;
Cinnamomum camphora -- Camphor, Ho Leaf; in Leaf;
Cinnamomum verum -- Ceylon Cinnamon, Cinnamon; in Plant;
Illicium verum -- Chinese Star Anise, Chinesischer Sternanis (Ger.), Star Anise,
Sternanis (Ger.), anis de China (Sp.), anis estrellado (Sp.); in Plant;
Juniperus virginiana -- Red Cedar; in Leaf;
Piper auritum -- Cordoncillo, Hierba Santa, Hoja Santa; in Leaf;
Piper cubeba -- Cubeb, Cubeb Pepper; in Fruit;
Piper nigrum -- Black Pepper, Pepper, White Pepper; in Fruit;
Tamarindus indica -- Indian Tamarind, Kilytree, Tamarind; in Fruit;
Umbellularia californica -- California Bay; in Plant;
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When concentrations are given in parts per million, this figure refers to the dried plant material. It may not be very relevant to the amount which can be obtained from the essential oil. Also, this is a very partial (incomplete) list. Many plants known to have useful oils are not listed.

Coming: enthusiastic endorsements of particular plants, notable for the value of their oils --- to us.


The Pied Pipers

At a costume party, or in a show, did you ever see anybody in a "domino", quartered black and white? Through the Middle Ages, that was a secret signal of heretical attitude, wearing a garmet in which the colors were not symmetrical. The word "pied" refers to this style of clothing, with mismatched sleeves and legs. It was connected with the uncontrollable tarantella dance, and the overall ignification refers back to the community fear of ergotism, as a plague. Dancers clad in these motley outfits would cavort through a town to draw off the chances of the residents inexplicably tripping out. Moldy rye bread was not a good way to get off; it had too many side effects, often fatal, from the mixed ergotamines. The Pied Piper legend reflected the fear that the children would be drawn into psychedelic realms never to return, by music which was supernaturally enthralling.

After some centuries, this has happened. There is of course no connection between pepper plants and musicians who tweedle on clay flutes, to lure youngsters from home and hearth. It is a mere homonym. By coincidence, it so happens that plants of the genus Piper are chock full of a wide variety of phenylpropanoids. Useful essential oils are the rule, and not the exception, among pepper species.

There are no common names in English for most of the Piper genus, since they are tropical plants. There are dozens of them, vanishing from warm forests around the world. There are Spanish and Portuguese names, commonly used to denote these Piper plants in Mesoamerica and South America, because that's what people speak where they occur. We know about Piper negrum, black pepper, though most of us haven't seen the plant. We know about Piper betel, because in Pacifica they chew the leaves. Piper methysticum likewise. I don't know of any import restrictions on plant products from any of the species of genus Piper.

(I'd shy away from ordering any foreign essential oil known to contain more than 30% safrole unless I knew more about what I was doing. That's an important distinction: the plant parts, dried, cut and sifted, or powdered, in most cases even a solid concentrated extractive, may be ordered from overseas sources without undue concern, for it is unlikely anyone is funded to scrutinize transaction patterns in the immense herb market.)


Piper aduncum


Piper aduncum. That's from aduncus: bent, crooked, curved, hooked. Not because it's a shady character, but because its leaves flop down. It may as well be a shady character, considering all its aliases. It has no fewer than 27(!) synonyms in the published literature, that's binomial Latin nomenclature. The main one is P. angustifolium, these are the same plant. What you asked, its English common name, is Matico pepper (as P. angustifolium), or Spiked pepper (as P. aduncum). In Spanish it's Cordoncillo or Higuillo de Hoja Menuda; Portugese, Aperta-ruao. The Chinese have a name for it, Xia ye hu jiao.

Piper auritum


Piper auritum too, Mo xi ge hu jiao or, Mo xi ge hu jiao ye. This one has the erstwhile scientific pseudonyms Piper sanctum and Artanthe sanctum, of course referring to the Mexican pepperleaf, Sacred pepper, or Veracruz pepper. The Spanish names are Acuyo, Anisillo, Cordocillo, Hoja de Ajan, Hoja de Santa Maria, Santilla de comer, Hoja santa, Yerba santa, and others regionally. It's sacred and a comestible at the same time.

Piper aduncum and Piper auritum. These are not cute little pepper bushes for long. By their second season they shoot up into fuckin TREES, leave them alone and they will reach 6 meters into the air. It's a jungle out there, dripping with (well, half of 1%) essential oil. Fast growing, well you might call it that.










Then it grows up...


Piper auritum takes over by blocking sunlight to the ground, with its huge el monstro safrolio leaves, the size of elephant ears but round. In Mexico, these rootbeerio fragrant leaves are used to wrap baked fish, tamale style, yum. A sacred plant that's edible.

Both these plants are naturalized throughout Pacifica, if you were wondering about the Chinese names. I spared you the Fijian names, but in some islands they are called false kava, particularly P. aduncum. They are effective pioneer species in disturbed habitats, preventing erosion of sloping land, for example. They spread into cleared or abandoned land, and keep it from degenerating into nonproductive grassland. Their seeds are viable in bat shit, and fruit bats love these plants.

One or the other may be considered noxious weeds in places like Florida, Australia, Singapore, and Hawaii, and if you live on an island in the Pacific well fuck you. What I'm saying is that they're easy to grow, and if you get some, you'll never have to look for another place to get safrole. Or dillapiole, as the case may be. Try both, for varied flavors.

Piper auritum oil is 80% safrole. Piper hispidinervem oil has 86% safrole, but P. auritum is more available, outside of Brazil. The Mexicans consider P. auritum as a food, not an herb. Piper aduncum oil is 80% dillapiole! Don't go looking for these oils as a commodity, though in Brazil and Peru they may be sold as such. The plant materials are available as a product you may import as herbs. They are mentioned because P. auritum and P. aduncum grow in North America, and both are available on the market as live plants, and both are invasive escapees in South Florida. This info is for those who wish to grow their own plants, and extract their own essential oils from them. If that ain't you, just never mind.

Wild Ginger!
Parsley!
Parsnips!

Asarum species (formerly Asiasarum) -- wild ginger

I found a natural source of croweacin, that's not Eristomon croweii. It is an Asian species of wild ginger, Asarum sieboldii. Asarum sieboldii oil has 14.5% croweacin. That beats the pants off the oil obtained from Asarum heterotropoides, which can only offer 3.4% elemicin and 12% safrole. You can get either of these plants as a dried Chinese herb, Xi Xin. Undoubtedly they are very good at treating the appropriate dried Chinese complaint. Problem is, ordering from a dried Chinese herb merchant, you may not know which one of these you're getting. Well? Can you handle that? The chemistry's pretty much the same, for most allylbenzenes. North American wild gingers, Asarum canadense and the dozen or so other species, are not so rich in phenylpropanoids as the Asian species. They are still worth going after, if you know your woods lore, and can collect them free.

Tip: Chinese dried herbs are dirt cheap, even after the shipping and duties. Check out their prices on Acorus calamus and you'll see what I mean.

Acorus species -- sweet flag

A. calamus root oil is over 50% asarone. Asarone is a bit harder to handle chemically, than most of the allylbenzene phenylpropanoids, because it's very acid sensitive, but it's worth the trouble. A. calamus root is very rich in oil, ~ 5% by weight. In contrast, A. gramineus root only has 1/10 the oil content, though the oil is over 70% asarone. The economic tradeoff says if you're buying oil, get the gramineus if you can find it; buying herb, get the calamus. As I said, asarone chemistry isn't for newbies. I'd like to know about the oxone oxidation on asarone, though.

Illicium species -- star anise

Something else that makes me curious. Isosafrole is said to be a "principal constituent" of star anise oil. How much does that mean? The FDA, working with their fuck buddies the DEA, likes to clamp down on oils with more than 30% safrole content. Could it be that they fuktup and didn't include isosaf in this? Performic! (gesundheit)

Star anise oil is from the fruiting bodies, carpels, of Illicium verum, aka I. anisatum. Two closely related species are I. floridanum and I. parviflorum, which grow in North America. I. floridanum has 13 seeds per cluster, but I. parviflorum is even more closely related to I. verum, for it has 8 seeds like I. verum. Both these plants produce essential oils in their leaves, composed of 90% safrole. What I want to know is, do the seed carpels produce isosafrole like I. verum, or just plain old safrole like the leaves? The essential oil content of the seed pods is greater than 10% by weight, hoo boy.

My buddy SWIM's experience leads me to expect that the North American species of Illicium produce their essential oil seasonally, like Sassafras albidum does. I say this because SWIM has been very disappointed in the oil yield, from both the leaves and seed carpels, gathered in spring.

Pastinaca sativa -- the parsnip

The most impressive figure from the list above is 662,000 parts per million of myristicin, from the roots of parsnips. The essential oil present in this food is 66.2% myristicin. By comparison, the oil derived from the seeds of nutmegs have much less myristicin than this, for this oil is only about 8% myristicin. If anybody might want to contrive anything like MMDA (3-methoxy-4,5-methylenedioxyphenylisopropylamine, active @ 100-250 mg) for any reason, myristicin would be the starting point.

I have received a report from one party known to us here, that the oil yield from grocery store parsnips was negligible. They are not grown nor sold in my region, so I can't tell you.

Umbillifer foods: condiments, herbs, and spices

All the umbillifer spices have useful phenylpropanoids in their essential oils, period. That's carrots and celery and dill and fennel and parsley and coriander and cardomom and tarragon and so on and so forth. The problem in many cases, is that their phenylpropanoids often contain monomethoxylated (p-methoxy) benzene rings. The main chore is getting rid of the anethole and/or methyl chavicol in fractional vacuum distillation, because PMA isn't stylish any more. These oils are an innocent purchase even in bulk.

Petroselinum crispum -- parsley The star among these is parsley. Parsley seed oil from Eastern Europe and Germany will contain over 50% useful phenylpropanoids, no anethole. A typical Bulgarian seed oil contains 2% elemicin, 34% myristicin, and 16% apiole. The apiole will solidify out of the whole oil below 15 degrees, so it must be even easier to separate once the terpenes have been boiled off below 200 degrees. The leaf oil will also give myristicin and a bit of apiole, but the root oil and especially the seed oil is much better, at a vastly lower cost.

Anethum graveolens -- dill weed

Dill (Anethum graveolens) is opposite of parsley, with respect to where the good phenylpropanoids may be found. American style dill herb oil, is in fact a rich repository of precursor phenylpropanoids, specifically dillapiole. In this case, more so than dill seed oil (which is actually made from the fruits, but it is conventionally called "seed" oil). I am not aware of the details of how "American style dill weed oil", as it is internationally known, is processed, but I expect it may be from all the aerial parts of the plant.
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Oils which have a majority of goodies

Let's run down those essential oils we know are more than half phenylpropanoids which can be used for entheogen/enactogen raw materials, not counting PMA. What we're trying to do here is lure the sudafed ppl away from their red P and iodine, by showing what can be done with about twice the work. And about 5, 6 or 11 times the outlay for equipment, too. Plus a bit more studying. (My sales pitch could use a bit of polishing, I think.)

Safrole:

Sassafras albidum, the sassafras tree. The root bark of this tree contains the original sassafras oil. The tree is a pioneer species, in the regrowth of disturbed former forest land throughout Eastern North America. No, not Canada, and rarely in New England, but in the more comfy parts of the East, including East Texas. You can't buy the oil any more in bulk, for all practical purposes, unless you're a corporation. The narks are suspicious. You can buy the roots, the root bark, or the powdered root bark, paradoxically without attention. You can buy the tree saplings, or the seeds. Or, more sensibly, you can go outside and gather the roots yourself for free, to make your own oil from the bark.

Cinnamomun camphorae, the camphor tree. The initial essential oil of the wood is 50% camphor, but once the camphor has been congealed out, the brown camphor oil which remains is 95% safrole. A noxious weed species in North Florida, this tree has taken over vast forests. Government agencies there are attempting to reduce its numbers, are cutting it down and grinding it up, giving away its wood chips for free to use for mulch. No one has ever thought of boiling out its essential oil. Available for free there: http://aquat1.ifas.ufl.edu/camphor.html but don't call them. Go find a landowner and pay him a hundred bucks for his tree, be discreet. It also counts as discreet if you're sneaky. One tree will provide a lifetime supply of safrole, for you and your 30,000 closest friends.

Ocotea cymbarum, the Brazilian sassafras. The wood of this tree contains an essential oil which is 92% safrole. Availabile as seeds, if you can find them.

Piper hispidinervum, Brazil's cultivated answer to its vanishing stocks of wildcrafted Ocotea cymbarum. 86% safrole content in its leaves. Availability, as seeds, is difficult.

Hoja santa, Piper auritum of the jungle picture above, all sources agree at 80% safrole. Available as live plants and seeds.

Illicium, star anise, the American plants Illicium floridanum and I. parviflorum have a much higher safrole content than the Chinese herb Star anise, Illicium verum. The report of 90% safrole in the oil is all I've seen. Plants and seeds are readily available.

Not safrole:

Essential oil of parsnips, Pastinaca sativa, mostly myristicin. Availability universal, where parsnips grow. I'm not there, so I have no idea about the steam distillation.

Parsley, Petroselinum crispum, essential oil of Eastern European seed is 37% myristicin, 16% apiole, and 2% elemicin. This makes it an oil with a majority of phenylpropanoids. The seed oil is better than the root oil which is better than the herb oil which is better than the leaf oil, for our purposes. Available.

Matico, Piper aduncum (=P. angustifolium, P. elongatum). Reports from different strains range up to 88.2% dillapiole. Available as dried Matico herb, and as seed, but live plants are hard to locate.

Calamus, Acorus calamus oil from India is generally 50-70% asarone. American oil is lower, and there are chemotypes which make the asarone content variable. A. gramineus oil has a consistently higher asarone content. Plants, seeds, herb and oil are universally available.

Ashanti pepper, Benin pepper, false cubeb. This pepper species is Piper guineese (= Piper clusii). The oil from the spice does not have significant amounts of phenylpropanoids, but the oil from the leaves is composed mostly of dillapiole, myristicin and elemicin. Sorry, but I just can't find anyplace to get this plant, its leaves, nor its seeds, without going to West Africa.

Well, that's the roundup for now. These are all essential oils with over 50% precursor ingeredients. I'm sure there are others, so if you stumble across any, post it here for us. (Note that I'm not including eugenol, anethole, nor methyl chavicol, for I don't consider these particular phenylpropanoids useful for us.)


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