Anarchy in the uk [Police review cases as bail is restricted to 96hrs]

[bigfoot]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f28157fa-a...#axzz1QfqwPeot


so the police now have 96 hours to charge you from the arrest, which makes obtaining evidence a bit of a logistical nightmare.
classic comment:


Sir Norman Bettison, chief constable of West Yorkshire Police, said that police forces were running around “like headless chickens”.

“It’s on the verge of a disaster now because the question being asked by my custody sergeants is, ‘What do we do, boss?’,” Sir Norman said.

“I cannot countenance turning people away from the charge office and telling them all bets are off and they are free to go ... my holding position with my officers is that I can’t believe this is what was envisioned,” he said, adding that the force was awaiting advice from the CPS.

[reject]

On the plus side we can now stab burglars, swings and roundabouts.

[zuperxtreme]

On one hand, people are sometimes held for way too long in jails, but on the other, 96hrs seems way too small a window. I guess the police will have to start arresting once they have a case? Shit, but how often does that happen? :/

[zuperxtreme]

Originally Posted by reject

On the plus side we can now stab burglars, swings and roundabouts.

You weren't kidding.

Justice Secretary Ken Clarke has said a householder who knifes a burglar will not have committed a criminal offence under plans to clarify the law on self-defence in England.

He told the BBC people were entitled to use "whatever force necessary" to protect themselves and their homes.

David Cameron recently said the issue should be put "beyond doubt".

Labour said the law was "already clear" and the remarks were a "smokescreen" to hide confusion over sentencing changes.

Mr Clarke has come under attack over proposed changes to sentencing policy but has denied making a series of U-turns on key elements amid pressure from Tory MPs and sections of the media.

He has said he is committed to axing indeterminate prison sentences despite opposition from many Tory MPs.

He said indeterminate sentences - where prisoners can be held beyond their original release date if they still pose a danger to society - had been an "unmitigated disaster" since they had been introduced by Tony Blair and suggested an alternative to them would be in place within two years.

On people's rights to self-defence in their homes, Mr Clarke said there was "constant doubt" about the issue and the proposed legislation would make this "much clearer".

Under the terms of the 2008 Criminal Justice and Immigration Act, homeowners who use "reasonable force" to protect themselves against intruders should not be prosecuted, providing they use no more force than is absolutely necessary.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13957587

[bumble]

The UK would be much better off if guns were legal. Since, robbers don't exactly follow the law, wouldn't you think that they might have a gun?? Wtf is a pathetic knife going to do when you're put up against a gun?

[reject]

At least they made one sensible decision. Not being able to defend your home without getting a much larger sentence than the burglar was fucking ridiculous.

[reject]

Originally Posted by bumble

The UK would be much better off if guns were legal. Since, robbers don't exactly follow the law, wouldn't you think that they might have a gun?? Wtf is a pathetic knife going to do when you're put up against a gun?

Contrary to popular belief, petty criminals don't tend to use guns. Why? Cos you get fuck all for burglary but a statutory minimum 5 year or summin for having a firearm.

Guns are mostly only used in gang v gang shit.

I don't think we'd be better off with guns, but I don't think we're worse off.

And if the little scallies have easier access to guns then all of them will go about popping at each other rather than just knifing them. And personally I'd prefer to be stabbed than shot.

They just straight up don't give a fuck, I have no doubt they could take on and win against most yank gangs, more guns would be very, very bad.

[Mr.Happy]

Originally Posted by bumble

The UK would be much better off if guns were legal. Since, robbers don't exactly follow the law, wouldn't you think that they might have a gun?? Wtf is a pathetic knife going to do when you're put up against a gun?

It's very rare that a burglar will have a gun in the UK. Unlike in countries with less restrictive firearm laws.

[bumble]

I just feel that making guns illegal makes the good citizens who follow the law defenseless, and gives the criminals all the power. It's kind of scary.

[reject]

We're British anyway, its seen as unsporting to shoot an unarmed man.

[zuperxtreme]

You'll get into more shit for defending your home with a gun, specially if you don't kill the burglar.

You think "I don't want to kill this guy, just hurt him" and you aim for his leg. If the dude lives, he can sue you for the harm/disability. The lawyer can argue that you weren't in a life threatening situation, you had time to think and aim, therefore your action can be considered as malicious instead of self-defense.

tl;dr: If you pull out a gun, shoot to kill. Otherwise, defend yourself with something else.

[Mullen]

lol, eurofags.

[bumble]

Originally Posted by zuperxtreme

You'll get into more shit for defending your home with a gun, specially if you don't kill the burglar.

You think "I don't want to kill this guy, just hurt him" and you aim for his leg. If the dude lives, he can sue you for the harm/disability. The lawyer can argue that you weren't in a life threatening situation, you had time to think and aim, therefore your action can be considered as malicious instead of self-defense.

tl;dr: If you pull out a gun, shoot to kill. Otherwise, defend yourself with something else.

When a burgler comes into your house... you don't have a clue what he plans to do, he could be planning to rape you, torture you or whatever. I think that your country's laws need to be changed because that is not fair. In my opinion if someone invades your home you should be allowed to fucking defend yourself in an effective way, and it shouldn't matter if you kill the bastard or not.

[ComradeAsh]

I don't like this 'as much as necessary' concept.

If someone breaks in and I subdue them, I want to bust a few ribs just to serve as a reminder about how they shouldn't fucking break in to my house.

[Hydroponichronic]

Originally Posted by reject

On the plus side we can now stab burglars, swings and roundabouts.

Took ya long enough. That shit's ridiculous. Still can't stab attackers on the street, though...

Originally Posted by zuperxtreme

On one hand, people are sometimes held for way too long in jails, but on the other, 96hrs seems way too small a window.

Are you kidding me? In the US they only get 24 hours. It's barbaric and stupid to be able to arrest people with no charges. You should know beyond the burden of proof that someone is guilty before you get to drag them from their homes and stick them in a cell.

Originally Posted by bumble

The UK would be much better off if guns were legal. Since, robbers don't exactly follow the law, wouldn't you think that they might have a gun?

Yea, but in the UK, unlike the states, most criminals don't have guns. One of the benefits of being on an island is that your borders are much tighter, so there's less contraband altogether. In the US, anyone who knows a drug dealer can get a gun, not so in Britain. Furthermore, the US has a shitload of armed and psycho gangbangers, while the UK has almost none. Unfortunately, firearm bans is a policy that could actually work over there. I say unfortunately because I believe that everyone should have the right to own firearms, and right now, the UK is a shining example of how gun bans can actually work.

That said, you can own a crossbow in your home. Throw on some wide-tipped, solid steel bolts and even a 120lb draw crossbow will 1-shot a burgular.

[reject]

Shotguns aren't hard to get legally, especially where I used to live loads of my friends and their parents had shotguns cos it was all just farm land.

But yea you can't shoot anyone with them at all. However I'm sure just pointing a shotgun at a burglar would scare the shit out of them.