kwinnie - engine combos

[slm33d]

Im looking at a bit down the track throwing a better or more hp engine in me xf sedan. I was thinking an rb25/30 , 1jz or 2jz. I know there's an 8 second? Xf getting around but can't seem to get a hold of the engine specs?. Do you have any ideas?. Is there any other turbo 6 combos you think would be as good?.

[rider]

A Jaguar XF sedan?

Is this a troll attempt? Or is it serious?

[thunderstruck]

The barra (fucking stupid name for an engine) turbo in the later falcons is pretty much bulletproof and shitloads of people make stuff for that. I have an old ute magazine with a 600kw yellow ute with nizpro stuff in it.

[Azure]

He asked kwinnie you stupid fucks.

[MunkeyQ]

Originally Posted by Azure

He asked kwinnie you stupid fucks.

What, so other people aren't allowed to contribute useful information to this thread?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by MunkeyQ

What, so other people aren't allowed to contribute useful information to this thread?

No, they aren't. So fuck off.

[MunkeyQ]

Originally Posted by Azure

No, they aren't. So fuck off.

Yes, they are.

I won't continue this as I don't want to shit all over the OP's thread.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally Posted by thunderstruck

The barra (fucking stupid name for an engine) turbo in the later falcons is pretty much bulletproof and shitloads of people make stuff for that. I have an old ute magazine with a 600kw yellow ute with nizpro stuff in it.

If its not to big then do this. The best engine ever made in Australia and its a ford too! other then that 2jzs are pretty fucking good and rb30dets are rare (if you wanted something different) and make shitloads of power as well.

[slm33d]

Yeah thanks for the help but I've never heard of the barra motor ? What model was it run in? Mines an 87 falcon xf. I was looking at the ba/bf xr6 turbo aswell because I love the g/box aswell as I know that engine can handle some power. also anyone can contribute to this thread I just wasn't sure of how many aussies used the greasemonkeys section. I also thought of just waiting and getting either a vz or ve ss ute ?.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

It's the xr6 turbo engine.

[Nereth]

Originally Posted by Azure

He asked kwinnie you stupid fucks.

I dunno how modding goes here, but if there was an infraction for 'sheer douchebaggery'...

Besides, get your tongue out of kwinnies' ass, I don't think he's the type to like it there.

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Originally Posted by Nereth

I dunno how modding goes here, but if there was an infraction for 'sheer douchebaggery'...

Besides, get your tongue out of kwinnies' ass, I don't think he's the type to like it there.

...And Nereth comes out swinging

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Nereth

I dunno how modding goes here, but if there was an infraction for 'sheer douchebaggery'...

Besides, get your tongue out of kwinnies' ass, I don't think he's the type to like it there.

I don't think he's the type to like me, period.

Your wasted opinion has been duly noted however.

[cronic5]

Originally Posted by Azure

I don't think he's the type to like me, period.

Your wasted opinion has been duly noted however.

Stop being a douchebag, I'll just start removing posts or infracting you. Because I can.

As for the engine, I'd go with a 1uz, just because with forged internals they have so much potential and it is incredibly cheap compared to something like a 2JZ.

Also, are you actually planning on doing this? Seems a little pointless, and do you actually know what you're doing?

[Sheik Yerbouti]

1uz's are really big engines, bigger then an ls1.
I'm just thinking the engine bay might not be wide enough.

[slm33d]

Well its one route im looking at as a project car. I have always wanted a big power xf. It will be predominantly power over show like a car ya take to dyno comps maybe regod maybe not. as for the engine bay its fucking huge and im not sure how to do the conversion but quite a few of my mates are mechanics and auto elekys and I have a mate who works in a shop that does a fair few conversions. What's the 1uz out of?.

[bornkiller]

I have a XF Panel Van!...correction...I sold it today. YEAHHH!$$
I scored it to place a 351 into it but couldn't be bothered.
But it sounds like your interested in a different 6cyl conversion which is awesome
One of the burn out cars here that took out the 6cyl class was an XF ute with a Nissian GTR engine.
My personal 6cyl engine choice would be a 265ci D34...but fuck...thats me.

[slm33d]

What's the d34 out of?. Yeah im looking at kinda retrotech forced induction 6 . Its not everyday you would see a turbod xf beat a new xr6 turbo . I might not end up doing it but if I do I want the right advice. Im kinda leaning towards a jap 6 due to price an availabllity. I mean atm 96 kw is shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit I want more like 450ish kw max

[cronic5]

Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbouti

1uz's are really big engines, bigger then an ls1.
I'm just thinking the engine bay might not be wide enough.

They aren't THAT large, they were put in some MR2's for christ's sake.

Originally Posted by slm33d

Well its one route im looking at as a project car. I have always wanted a big power xf. It will be predominantly power over show like a car ya take to dyno comps maybe regod maybe not. as for the engine bay its fucking huge and im not sure how to do the conversion but quite a few of my mates are mechanics and auto elekys and I have a mate who works in a shop that does a fair few conversions. What's the 1uz out of?.

Get to researching and try to learn as much as possible before getting any swap done. Even IF your friends know how to do a swap doesn't mean you should trust them even if they are your BEST friends. When it comes to a swap that isn't perfect, things can and will go wrong. It is best to know as much as you possibly can when those things happen. Think long and hard before you do the swap and make sure what you want to do is final for sure.

The 1UZ was put in a few cars. The Lexus GS 400 and the MR2 LeMan's come to mind right now. A 1UZ swap shouldn't be TOO complicated, but for far less money than a 2JZ it can have more potential. I know a lot of Supra owners swap out the 2JZ for the 1UZ because they are cheaper to build on, and with forged internals and other "inexpensive" mods, they have more potential. The 1UZ should fit just find in the XF, which has a larger displacement engine, but that doesn't always mean more physical size. I'd look up the exact size of the engine bay right now but since you're the one doing the swap, I'll let you look into that stuff.

[bornkiller]

Originally Posted by slm33d

What's the d34 out of?. Yeah im looking at kinda retrotech forced induction 6 . Its not everyday you would see a turbod xf beat a new xr6 turbo . I might not end up doing it but if I do I want the right advice. Im kinda leaning towards a jap 6 due to price an availabllity. I mean atm 96 kw is shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit I want more like 450ish kw max

I like your idea because I like the off the wall kinda shit..its
everyone throws a 351C/W or 302W into them.

D = 6cyl Hemi
3 = 265ci
4 = Performance
4 = 4spd
Its just that the Typhoon (Street Car) is a quicker car between .1 & .2 of a second (average) down the 1/4 mile than an E49 Charger (Street Car)
But if the Charger had a tire change with similar traction to the coon, (these tests were on factory tires) Its lata Falcon because the Charger lost it at the start.
(AA showroom floor car tests)
The 265 is a robust engine and you can do some amazing shit to it to make it perform....I don't know about AU but they're pretty cheap over here (excluding the E49 $$$$) but the pacer blocks are an awesome casting and can be identified with an "S" cast at the L/H/F side of the block.
I just thought it maybe cheaper than the Nissan Engine.

[Kwinnie Bogan]

450kw in an XF will give you and everyone you know a brain hemorrhage.

xflows can be made to go pretty hard with forced induction, and there were dealer option turbo kits out on these cars back in the day, and aftermarket dev kits that make anywhere up to 400hp. But there's a large difference between 400hp and 615hp (rough estimate of 450kw in hp) 450kw is serious business. That's not a street king, but a strip king. May I suggest forced induction without a blow through carb system but EFI, and manifold injected funny gas? It'll make pretty decent power..

..But there's a limit to the performance of a Ford 6, I hate to say. Out of all the engine swaps, a more recent Barra to build from sounds like a really logical choice - but it's going to really burn a hole in your pocket to build one up to those kind power levels.

With the others you're going to have to have to get engineering work done though in order to put in what would be my first choice here - a RB (sorry, not an earthshattering boner inducing Chrysler RB, but the endlessly tuned Nissan engine family) of some sort with built bottom end, twin turbos, and a double helping of caramelised onions. I would only really bother with an RB30/RB30ET over any RB25 or even maybe RB26 if you found one extremely cheap that still runs as smooth as it did from the factory (impossible!).

If you're doing all the work anyway, why not put in a Gen III or newer LS1? The universal solution. I'll tell you why not - a hot six in infinitely cooler. 2Jz-GTE would be insane as all hell, as would the entire drivetrain gearbox forward but good luck with that.

I dunno man, what kinda budget are you working to?! Sounds like you might be pretty serious about this though, and if you are - you're going to have to do an arseload more research than just asking a couple bogans, mechs, and car nuts on the net . Mainly because it's better if ya land on a solution that you'll be very satisfied with yourself, and will suit your problem most. Ask me/us to choose or give advice though, and we'll get an answer out. If you happen to pick one of the jap donks, there are a few guys on here with better knowledge of them then me. They know em inside out.

I'd like to make this an epically long comprehensive post, but its such a large and open ended project, and I know very little about your restraints (time, budget, licence issues, etc etc). Or what ideas you're into and what you're not into. Plus, is thing supposed to be streetable for every day use?

P.S. Bornkiller, +1 on D34, that would be rad as fuck, especially with FI routed through trips hanging out the bonnet.

[bornkiller]

Originally Posted by KwinnieBogan

P.S. Bornkiller, +1 on D34, that would be rad as fuck, especially with FI routed through trips hanging out the bonnet.

I'd love to get my greasy paws on one of those V6 commodory blowers to mate to a 265 (minus the injection unit)

[slm33d]

Kwinnie- now that's a fucking reply +1. Ill be on a rather tight budget and it won't be for quite a while . My mates will only be helping as I've asked if they can get the shit done cheaper if they claim its their car *hint hint* so it'll be done in a proper workshop. Ill probably be looking at a dyno queen/extreme street car so it'll have a full cage, tubs and so on. Ill be looking at no more than say 15k in the engine. I actually saw in the latest street commos a bf ute running an ls1 now that's an xr8 lol.

I wouldn't run an 8 as ill hopefully be getting the vy/vz/ve ss ute as my all rounder and it'll be getting jiust basic mods nothing crazy straight up.as for time it'll be as long as I can keep i/ as long as cars are still being used.

As for the displacement question its a 4.1 straight 6 5 speed with onlt 143xxxk's on it. It also has an extremely extreme 96kw at the wheels.

[sexualjesus]

dear jesus, you want to do an engine conversion on an xf falcon, dont do a complete conversion like putting as kwinnie said a holden or a supra engine into it, either put a windsor or a clevo into it or the newer barra engines, an xf with the barra and accompanying computer would be pretty hot, not sure if it will bolt in so easily, if i was you i would snatch an xr8 engine out of an au, cheap and it will fit (at least it would into any of the "E" series with the mounts)

but really no boddy likes the XF, its bad enough we have all these shit heads driving around in 25 year old VL's which they pay WAY to much for, no matter how much you want the xf wont reach the vl's popularity because its a bigger and heavier car in the middle of two superiour generations, buy an xc if your on a budget for great looking fords or buy a busted up ea and put a kit on it, just stay the hell away from xf's unless your a 40 year old pensioner with a busted knee cap.

if i had 15k it would go strait to putting in a barra into an AU (along with a ts50 kit) or if going for a complete engine mod an old escort with a falcon engine. or always the dream of a mack engine into the rear of a tarago, what im saying is 15k can go a lot further on a more financially stable and reputible car, throwing your money into the pockets of the holden devils or into the trash would be a better option then "souping up" an XF

[sexualjesus]

my cousin just bought an 04 ss for 10 grand, got more kilometres then a 50 year old chinese prostitute but hell its worth more then an xf falcon ever will be in the next 30 years, as you said save up and buy a nice vz ss, its holden sure but they look nice for a car thats going to collapse around you

[slm33d]

ahh man im not worried about who deosnt like the xf . i think they have a great shape i reckon . another thing is i can always pull the engine out and put it in another lol. im looking at having it for a dyno queen or strip/streeter. im going to actually get a vl wagon boost the engine, airbags , shaved and paint for a daily after the xf. the ss ute will be mainly a cruiser and daily.