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I agree with you on that, though I know there are some good ones out there...
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Carder forums are a good way to get caught.
True, thats why you constantly change usernames on different forums.

Btw, no carding forum would be hosted in the US, they are offshore hosts.
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I agree with you on that, though I know there are some good ones out there...
Well, it's like this.

In the beginning there was IRC and some small time boards where carders and various criminals and vendors tried to do business.
No law enforcement payed any attention to them because they were all noobs and fucktards.

One day in Russia a very large group of carders got together in a meeting and decided to open a forum. Thus, CarderPlanet was born. CarderPlanet was a Russian only forum at first but then expanded to other languages and countries. The site was ran by Script.

English speaking carders, however, were already on the job. A man named Seth, AKA Kidd, started the website/forum Shadowcrew which would service carders who spoke English and later non English speakers.

Later another site was opened called thegrifters, ran by Elmariachi.



In a nutshell here is what happened to all of those sites.

First, the original main operator of Carder Planet was catching way too much heat so he recoiled away from the site. He left the site in charge of King (I forget his full name) who soon after left a post stating that the LEO (law enforcement officer) presence on the forum had become too high.
King closed the website before it was infiltrated by LEO.

Shadowcrew, however, was not so lucky. One of it's trusted and influential members, Cumbajohnny, had been busted carding and flipped to LEO. When they realized what they had they turned him over to the SS and from there Cumbajohnny began selling a VPN service to other users at Shadowcrew.
This arroused suspicion by a hacker/carder named Max Vision who was later the operator of carders market until his arrest. Max Vision was actually hacking the forum and it's members and stealing their dumps and info and had come across an FBI agents computer as well as other suspicious PMs. He wrote a post about it but Cumba, or some other informer deleted it.
Later on another hacker by the name of Ethics had broke into T-Mobile using a newly released exploit. He had, through some unknown method, actually found a secret service agents cellphone and found small bits of information that showed that the SS was targeting shadowcrew. Despite this obvious evidence he allowed himself to be contacted by the informant Cumbajohnny, and then purchased Cumbajohnnies VPN service.
Ethics real name was Nicholas Jacobsen and he was also responsible for release of many celebrity cell phone images. He was prosecuted separately from the shadowcrew and the SS agent he hacked retired a few months after the incident.
Both the separate prosecution an the quite retirement of the agent were presumably to avoid ridicule.

Elmariachi was busted for attempting to pick up 30k worth of equipment at a drop site he was using. He requested to be debriefed by the FBI and the FBI first laughed at him. Later the FBI set him up with a cushy apartment and funds to run the website called "thegrifters.net".
Elmariachi, for unknown reasons to me, later on began saying that he Shadowcrew website was a sting operation and indicating that Cumbajohnny was a snitch.
Cumbajohnny, likely given the info by the SS, released info on Elmariachis arrest info and his flip to LEO.
Elmariachi, was dropped by the FBI as an informant and his website died.
He was supposed to have been using the site for info gathering for the FBI.

Cumbajohnny was also arrested later for more carding activity. He was busted with one and half million dollars buried in the back yard.

The next big site to pop up was Max Visions website.
Not sure what the latest site is, but I am sure that it's nothing more than a honey pot and should be avoided.
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Well since you enjoyed those stories I will tell what happened with two other forums.

Max Vision (the hacker I mentioned earlier) started a website called cardersmarket. He and his partner (Chris Aragon) brought in other "trusted" carders to help run the place.
An old face shows up again, the one time FBI informant Elmariachi.
Elmariachi made the claim that a man named Gollumfun was a Snitch. At this point everyone knew that Elmariachi, at the least, had worked with the FBI int he past so they had a hard time trusting him.
Elmariachi was actually correct in this accusation though. Gollumfun was a snitch and federal informant but he was also still out committing crimes. Gollumfun was also an admin at Maxes new forum.
Max was always keeping tabs on people and maybe discovered the truth. Whatever the reason he got rid of Gollumfun. When gollumfuns capacity as an informer was gone his handlers turned on him. Gullumfun ran and I have no clue what happened to him.

Anyways, Elmariachi had started his website again (Thegrifers.net) and was convinced that because gollumfun was a a snitch that the whole cardersmarket forum must be a set up.
Max had originally set the forum up on a hacked webserver in florida. Elmariachi was contacting the server owners and eventually got the forum closed.
This caused Max to move the forum to a server in Iran where Elmariachi couldn't touch him.

Elmariachi kept arguing with Max (at this time max was going by the name "iceman") and Max kept arguing with Elmariachi until Max laid the smack down. He eventually broke into Elmariachis websie and wiped his hard drivers. The website has been gone ever since.

As I have said back when max started carding he would just steal his card infos from people at shadowcrew and whatnot.
At this point he was exploiting businesses for their customers credit card information and selling the infos on his new forum.

Since Shadowcrew and Carderplanet both disappeared around the same time this left a void that was filled with several websites.
What Max wanted was to get everyone on one website, which would be his, of course.

So, in a nutshell, max hacked several websites, stole their databases (usernames, post histories, pms, etc). and put all that information on his own forum then he wiped the other websites out.
One website survived his attack. This forum was called darkmarket and retained a substantial amount of users.
Max didn't like this and basically cardersmarket (max website) and darkmarket (ran by a guy named Jilsi) were at war Dosing each other and whatnot, but Max was by far better at hacking than Jilsi.

Jilsi couldn't keep up and was considering throwing in the towel but another man named "Master Splyntr" (an undercover FBI agent named Keith Mularski) offered to help him and Jilsi basically made Mularski the man behind the curtain.
Mularski gained credibility by getting spamhaus.org to list his undercover name in their database of top spammers and so with that and his credible postings on the forum he became trusted.
He basically put a stop to the attacks Max was throwing at him, but not all of them. The war still raged between cardersmarket and darkmarket.

Sometime later Max discovered that Jilsi was lodging complaints to Max' ISP trying to get his forum closed down. Well, he didn't actually know it was Jilsi but he had Jilsis password (msr206 which is a popular reader/writer for magstripe cards) and when he tried the password in the username it became apparent it was Jilsi.

A canadian hacker named Silo (also a police informer in Canada) was infamous because he would always hack other carders for their personal info or whatever he could get.
Well, Silo had discovered that there was an informer on Darkmarket. He was basically spamming out trojans and whatnot and one day he picked up some files that indicated someone was an FBI agent.
Max did his own investigation and found that Master Splyntr had logged in from 2 IP's. One was the one he was supposed to use to cover his real identity, and another was one that lead back to his office and revealed he was an FBI agent. The simple fact is that sometimes he had to log in and could not use the correct method that covered his tracks.

This didn't bring down darkmarket. For one thing the FBI agent (master splyntr) contacted the relevant people and ensured that no one else could confirm the IP trace through reverse phone number or whois search.
For another darkmarket and cardersmarket were still at war.

So basically Max presented the evidence along with Silos evidence. The delegates form darkmarket didn't believe and took Splyntrs side.
Later splyntr was on the forum blaming Jilsi and claiming that the IP that logged in was not actually him logging in and all manner of bullshit.

Well, to make a long story really short Max had a few people who knew who he was and what he did. Chris Aragon and John Giannone. Gollumfun (the guy I mentioned earlier) had actually left the Secret Service with one lead, That was John Giannone.
John was caught carding and flipped on Chris. He didn't know much about Max. Chris was caught carding as well and I don't recall if he flipped or not but there was a clear connection between he and Max and enough evidence to take Max down.

Max had used an apartment rented under a fake name to operate out of. He had several computers/servers all running his bots/scripts stealing computers. He had encrypted all his files and the SS knew this. They also knew that the only way they would get his encryption key was to catch him so he couldn't turn off his computers. If he did that the memory would be wiped and the key couldn't be obtained. They basically brought in a team from CERT to get his encryption key from his servers and since they surprised him in his sleep they got everything in his servers and computer.

Max was sentenced to 13 years in prison.

His website, Cardersmarket, was at this time, in control of yet another federal informant and FBI/SS had already obtained a copy of it's database.

After the arrest it was revealed that Max had a brief connection with the FBI in the past. He actually used to work for them and later they tried to flip him into an informant and when refused they gave him 18 months in prison.
But the point is that when this came out master splyntr (the fbi agent undercover) was on darkmarket forums talking all kinds of "Ooooooh, in yo face" bullshit about how he told everyone that Max was crooked and whatnot. Typical lying cop shit.

Master Splyntr, ended up using his position there to bust 56 people before closing the site down. He had used an excuse very similar to Kings excuse when King closed carderplanet. It was later revealed by a German Hackers lawyer, however, that Master Splyntr was in fact an FBI agent. The hacker had been one of the 56 busted.

Kevin Poulsen has wrote a book called "Kingpin" that is about Max and his life and criminal career. He also covers the other stories here since they're landmarks in internet Carding. You should read it. I can vouch for a lot of it as can others I have spoken to on totse and here.
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Lesson is, the fewer people who know, the better!
Yes. All of the people that got busted did so because of informants.

ShadowCrew had their snitch Kumbajohnny (who also snitched on others, costing one hacker his life, ill write about it below).
CardersMarket had their snitch,, Th3C0rrupted0ne. His full damage is not known and Max only discovered that Th3C0rrupted0ne was a snitch after Maxs own bust.
Thegrifters.net while not exactly responsible for any arrests (perhaps more responsible for saving people) was still a site ran by a weak character who had flipped once and would have flipped again.
Darkmarket was infiltrated and ran by the FBI for some time.

Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead.

In Maxs case if he had kept his identity to himself and never partnered up with the shaky characters he partnered up with then probably would have never been busted.
Both his partners, however, were fucktards. Chris Aragon and John Giannone were both druggies and drunks. Chris Aragons scam was to befriend younger women (college aged) and, usually waiting until they had complained of financial problems or something, would offer for them to become his cashers. That is, they would go into stores, buy expensive purses or watches or whatever with phony credit cards, and give them to Chris. Chris would later have his wife sell them on Ebay and the cashers would get 30% of the profits. Chris also made fake ID & cards to sell on the forum.
John was just an extra hand in all of this. He was your typical young punk hacker, quick to brag about shit.
Neither of these men are ideal candidates for a partner.

Remember that guy Silo (canadian informer/hacker)? Well Silo also had a hard on for Max. He had tried desperately to hack Max but Max was just too good. Max, however, had hacked Silo already lol.
Similarly Max was second in vendor status to one other person, Maksik. Maksik ran a website with automated purchasing for credit card infos. You would place cash in the website and when your cash was verified you chose which cards you wanted and how many.
Max wanted Maksik to put his business on maxs forum, Cardersmarket. When Maksik declined the invitation Max tried to hack Maksik but could not. It's unknown how hard Max actually tried.

It turns out that Maksik was just one person in a crew. His American team had another man in it by the name cumbajohnny, the ex informer from shadowcrew. Maksik, however, was already known to authorities but they couldn't prove he had did anything illegal. Maksik made the mistake of coming to the US for a visit.
In America, proof is not needed and they picked him and held him for 4 days before he gave up his encryption key to his laptop. They discovered on the laptop a person they knew who went by the name of Soupnazi. That was cumbajohnny.
Cumba was arrested and indicated that a 15 minutes of fame hacker named Jonathon James was also involved in the crimes. In 1999 James had hacked the DOD/NASA.
Jonathon James was raided but the feds found nothing. James later shot himself leaving a suicide note indicating that he was innocent and that he just didn't trust the justice department. In all reality James was connected to cumbas crew, but he was not involved in their activity.
He was, however, depressive before all of this so it seems the raid only pushed him over the edge.
Cumba got 20 years in federal prison.
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For anyone more interested in the Max Vision story here is a 2011 conference video about him.

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Just watched that clip - thanks dreadlord, found it fascinating even though i don't card.
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I don't know anything about carding, nor does it interest me. But man, your stories were damn interesting and fun to read.
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Dread_lord do you know anything about Bad B? He was a big Russian credit card vendor who got caught a little while ago
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No, I haven't really been into the whole carding scene in some time. What was his claim to fame?
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A resident of Moscow, "BadB" lived the glamorous life, hopping jets to Europe, freely spending money -- even as U.S. authorities marked him as one of the world's "most prolific sellers" of stolen credit card data.

French authorities arrested Vladislav Anatolievich Horohorin, 27, at the airport in Nice this weekend. Federal law enforcement authorities said he had apparently been living it up on the French Riviera. At the time of the arrest, they said, he was carrying some casino-issued cards that give high rollers additional privileges.

The arrest was trumpeted today as a big catch for authorities working to crack down on the ever-growing and menacing problem of credit card data and identity theft, though officials provided no financial estimates on the losses involved.

Authorities said Horohorin, who called himself BadB online, was one of the founders of the sophisticated CarderPlanet. Established in 2002, the site sold credit card information from cardholders around the world on the Internet for anywhere from a few dollars to several hundred dollars. The U.S. Secret Service, as part of "Operation Firewall," shut down that site and others in 2004, but Horohorin continued to operate using sites such as "carder.su" and "badb.biz, investigators said.

"The network created by the founders of CarderPlanet, including Vladislav Horohorin, remains one of the most sophisticated organizations of online financial criminals in the world," Michael Merritt, assistant director for investigations at the Secret Service, said in a statement. "This network has been repeatedly linked to nearly every major intrusion of financial information reported to the international law enforcement community."

Horohorin was relishing the good life, authorities said. A citizen of Israel and Ukraine, he kept an apartment in Moscow and was building a home in Israel -- all the while jet-setting around Europe, they said.

But while he was enjoying himself, the Secret Service kept running across his name during investigations into stolen credit card data, officials said. According to an indictment unsealed today in U.S. District Court in Washington, Horohorin boasted on the Internet of being one of the biggest vendors of "dumps" -- an industry term referring to stolen credit card data.

On May 15, 2009, a Secret Service agent using a computer in Washington contacted BadB about purchasing data, according to the indictment. Using a Western Union in Arlington, Va., Secret Service agents sent $1,250 that was put into an account.

Four days later, undercover Secret Service agents spent $1,160 from the account to buy 58 credit card "dumps." "Several of the purchased dumps were subsequently verified by Visa to be authentic devices," the indictment said.

In July 2009, Secret Service agents saw that BadB was selling "dumps" from a variety of banks around the world, the indictment said. But this time, while communicating via the Internet, BadB said he was no longer accepting funds through Western Union and purchases had to be made through "WebMoney," an online electronic payment system based in Moscow.

Agents then sent $1,246. A week later, agents bought 13 "credit card dumps," the indictment said.

In November 2009, a federal grand jury in Washington indicted Horohorin on charges of access device fraud and aggravated identity theft. But the indictment remained under seal while authorities tried to hunt him down.

"These criminals are mistaken to think that they can escape detection by committing their crimes behind a computer screen in a foreign country," U.S. Attorney Ronald C. Machen Jr. said in a statement.
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Already has dude. Anyone interested in carding and wants to read a book about it should check out: Dark Market by Misha Glenny. Honestly one of the best books I have read. It would also be a good read for the bitches that ask what to do with a credit card number lol.
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Already has dude. Anyone interested in carding and wants to read a book about it should check out: Dark Market by Misha Glenny. Honestly one of the best books I have read. It would also be a good read for the bitches that ask what to do with a credit card number lol.
The guy in the video wrote a book called "kingpin". I recommended it at the end of one of the really long posts.

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The guy in the video wrote a book called "kingpin". I recommended it at the end of one of the really long posts.

Thanks for the book recommendation, by the way.
I will have to check it out. No worries, it's pretty new and tells the story of the most prevalent carders and forums from start to finish.
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Well, it's like this.

In the beginning there was IRC and some small time boards where carders and various criminals and vendors tried to do business.
No law enforcement payed any attention to them because they were all noobs and fucktards.

One day in Russia a very large group of carders got together in a meeting and decided to open a forum. Thus, CarderPlanet was born. CarderPlanet was a Russian only forum at first but then expanded to other languages and countries. The site was ran by Script.

English speaking carders, however, were already on the job. A man named Seth, AKA Kidd, started the website/forum Shadowcrew which would service carders who spoke English and later non English speakers.

Later another site was opened called thegrifters, ran by Elmariachi.



In a nutshell here is what happened to all of those sites.

First, the original main operator of Carder Planet was catching way too much heat so he recoiled away from the site. He left the site in charge of King (I forget his full name) who soon after left a post stating that the LEO (law enforcement officer) presence on the forum had become too high.
King closed the website before it was infiltrated by LEO.

Shadowcrew, however, was not so lucky. One of it's trusted and influential members, Cumbajohnny, had been busted carding and flipped to LEO. When they realized what they had they turned him over to the SS and from there Cumbajohnny began selling a VPN service to other users at Shadowcrew.
This arroused suspicion by a hacker/carder named Max Vision who was later the operator of carders market until his arrest. Max Vision was actually hacking the forum and it's members and stealing their dumps and info and had come across an FBI agents computer as well as other suspicious PMs. He wrote a post about it but Cumba, or some other informer deleted it.
Later on another hacker by the name of Ethics had broke into T-Mobile using a newly released exploit. He had, through some unknown method, actually found a secret service agents cellphone and found small bits of information that showed that the SS was targeting shadowcrew. Despite this obvious evidence he allowed himself to be contacted by the informant Cumbajohnny, and then purchased Cumbajohnnies VPN service.
Ethics real name was Nicholas Jacobsen and he was also responsible for release of many celebrity cell phone images. He was prosecuted separately from the shadowcrew and the SS agent he hacked retired a few months after the incident.
Both the separate prosecution an the quite retirement of the agent were presumably to avoid ridicule.

Elmariachi was busted for attempting to pick up 30k worth of equipment at a drop site he was using. He requested to be debriefed by the FBI and the FBI first laughed at him. Later the FBI set him up with a cushy apartment and funds to run the website called "thegrifters.net".
Elmariachi, for unknown reasons to me, later on began saying that he Shadowcrew website was a sting operation and indicating that Cumbajohnny was a snitch.
Cumbajohnny, likely given the info by the SS, released info on Elmariachis arrest info and his flip to LEO.
Elmariachi, was dropped by the FBI as an informant and his website died.
He was supposed to have been using the site for info gathering for the FBI.

Cumbajohnny was also arrested later for more carding activity. He was busted with one and half million dollars buried in the back yard.

The next big site to pop up was Max Visions website.
Not sure what the latest site is, but I am sure that it's nothing more than a honey pot and should be avoided.
Everything you said is generally accurate but you missed one important site and that was counterfeitlibrary forums. That was the genesis for shadowcrew. Had I been a few years older during those glory years I might be sitting in a federal pen right now.

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