Guy Learns From DMT

[Creepy Lurker Dude]

"No mescaline"

why the fuck not its so easy to procure and unlike anything else why would you not have ever done it if you're not into psychedelics?

[Om Namah Shivaya]

Originally Posted by Creepy Lurker Dude

"No mescaline"

why the fuck not its so easy to procure and unlike anything else why would you not have ever done it if you're not into psychedelics?

??????

I haven't tried Mescaline OR DMT yet.

They're illegal. Highly illegal. It's not "so easy to procure". It's not. Don't ever say that it is again until they start selling it on store shelves in wal-mart or just flat-out legally in my country.

Weed is easier to procure because you don't have to change your entire schedule for the day when you use it. Hard psychedelics people do not just sell to anyone. The risk of getting caught is high, and if you just sell it to anyone without forming a good relationship and trust with that person, it could fuck you over. Big time.

So unless you know someone who sells it, and they trust you, you're going to have a hard fucking time getting your hands on it.

And I don't give a fuck if you know people that sell it. Because that doesn't change the reality of the situation that there are very very few people who sell it and the chance of the average person finding a dealer is VERY LOW.

[Mashleshmash]

Well, you can order San Pedro online..that's not illegal. I hear Munching down San Pedro or Gulping down a Mushy, slushy San Pedro shake isn't the greatest thing in the world...or greatest thing for your stomach, for that matter. But it's not too hard to get a hold of some mescaline. I can't comment on the process of extracting mescaline though..something tells me mescaline is unstable. But that's a shot in the dark.

[Om Namah Shivaya]

Originally Posted by Mashleshmash

Well, you can order San Pedro online..that's not illegal. I hear Munching down San Pedro or Gulping down a Mushy, slushy San Pedro shake isn't the greatest thing in the world...or greatest thing for your stomach, for that matter. But it's not too hard to get a hold of some mescaline. I can't comment on the process of extracting mescaline though..something tells me mescaline is unstable. But that's a shot in the dark.

Wait, if San Pedro contains mescaline, how is it legal if mescaline is illegal in the US?

[Mashleshmash]

Shit's fucked. That's how.

The possession and cultivation of the San Pedro Cactus per se for decorative purposes is legal, but, if one were to extract the mescaline from the cactus, then the penalties for mescaline would apply.

[Charles Manson]

Originally Posted by GeriatricGrandpa4

Aliens:reptilians::et's:angels?

This is thinking in the right direction.

[Om Namah Shivaya]

Originally Posted by Mashleshmash

Shit's fucked. That's how.

I hate america and their double standards.

[AngryOnion]

Why would anyone drive while tripping balls?
Kid was lucky he didn't kill someone.
as far as double standards in America go there is just one rule and one rule only,If you got enough money you can do whatever the hell you want.

[Om Namah Shivaya]

Originally Posted by AngryOnion

Why would anyone drive while tripping balls?

I don't think he was.....

I think the girl in the back was and he was saying that he felt part of her trip even though he didn't take any while he was driving.

But uhhh, maybe not? I doubt he was driving on fucking DMT. Maybe he was but something tells me that he wasn't.

[GreatestGatsby4]

Originally Posted by Figure-8

There you go. But Kundalini is everything. The shiver up your spine when you relieve yourself...

I get this shiver up to ten times a day now, more frequently if I don't cum for longer than usual.

Originally Posted by The Greek

STFU. Not accurate at fucking all.

You could be the most fearless mother fucker on the planet, and after smoking dmt, you will be terrified and in awe simultaneously. Environment has nothing to do with a dmt trip because once it starts you do not remember who you are, what species you are, where you are, or what the fuck is happening.

You could smoke dmt on a secure bed in a locked room, or you could smoke dmt while tied to a meat processing machine moments away from being disemboweled. You'd have the same trip either way.

Leave the dmt talk to the people who have smoked dmt.

Safe environment applies to basically every other psychedelic though. Large doses of ketamine deserve an exception too. Although that is more of a dissociative...

I had no feelings of terror whatsoever with DMT, same with ketamine.

[The Greek]

Originally Posted by GeriatricGrandpa4

I had no feelings of terror whatsoever with DMT, same with ketamine.

Describe your experience, dose, and method on consumption. I find it hard to believe anyone had a breakthrough experience smoking dmt and didn't feel terrified.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

Originally Posted by Mashleshmash

Shit's fucked. That's how.

makes sense

[Om Namah Shivaya]

Originally Posted by The Greek

I find it hard to believe anyone had a breakthrough experience smoking dmt and didn't feel terrified.

Hahaha, why? Because you would be terrified? What does that say about yourself?

[The Greek]

Originally Posted by Om Namah Shivaya

Hahaha, why? Because you would be terrified? What does that say about yourself?

lol. You've clearly never smoked dmt.

Fear is something I seldom feel while in real life. Often, to my own detriment. There is nothing wrong with fear. But that is totally irrelevant. Go smoke dmt, you fucking pussy, and then get back to me.

Unless you've done it, you haven't the vaguest conception of what its like. Go smoke some, and then tell me that.

[Om Namah Shivaya]

And you have? And you were terrified?

[Mashleshmash]

You can't judge other peoples experiences based on your own.

[The Greek]

Originally Posted by Om Namah Shivaya

And you have? And you were terrified?

Yes, (are you totally illiterate or something?), and yes.

I wasn't just "terrified". But thats part of it. It would be impossible not to be. You guys think you are so hardcore? Go fucking smoke dmt then. Pussies.

Dmt is by far the scariest thing I have ever done and I've done a lot of fucked up scary shit.

[The Greek]

Originally Posted by Mashleshmash

You can't judge other peoples experiences based on your own.

Right, and some people rail 2 grams of cocaine and don't feel any excitement or increase in energy.

Shut the fuck up. I absolutely can. Its biology and logic.

[Om Namah Shivaya]

Go fucking smoke dmt then. Pussies.

Sure, send me some. Send me some DMT and I'll smoke it.

Dmt is by far the scariest thing I have ever done and I've done a lot of fucked up scary shit.

lol well just because you were terrified, that doesn't mean other people have to be.

I've never had a bad trip on acid, yet, other people have. Your logic is poor.

[Mashleshmash]

A psychedelic experience is pretty individual, dipshit.

[The Greek]

Originally Posted by Om Namah Shivaya

I've never had a bad trip on acid, yet, other people have. Your logic is poor.

No its not. I know I'm about to sound like ate, but you just wouldn't understand. Dmt is not like other psychedelics. A good rip of dmt and you literally experience dying. I'm not going to try and explain it more. You don't think its scary, fucking do it then. And no I'm not mailing you shit. If you want dmt, source it, or extract it yourself.

ITT people make broad claims about drugs they have never done, or don't have the slightest conception about.

E: You probably can smoke dmt or orally do dmt and not get scared. But I don't think you can rip a massive bowl, breakthrough, and not be scared when you come back to reality. At least not the first time.

[Mashleshmash]

Maybe I would respect your opinion more if you weren't so hostile about it.

[The Greek]

Originally Posted by Mashleshmash

Maybe I would respect your opinion more if you weren't so hostile about it.

Meh. I dun really care if you respect or believe me. Go smoke dmt. I think it should be a mandatory experience for everyone.

[Om Namah Shivaya]

Originally Posted by The Greek

Dmt is not like other psychedelics.

Duh.

I understand this concept. Just like when I smoke salvia, I don't expect it to be like a mushroom trip.

A good rip of dmt and you literally experience dying.

If that is true, then why are you still alive? I'm not saying that what you said is false, I just want to hear your interpretation of it.

I'm not going to try and explain it more.

because it terrified you?

You don't think its scary, fucking do it then.

Sure. Let me go to wal-mart real quick and get some.

And no I'm not mailing you shit. If you want dmt, source it, or extract it yourself.

Lol. The only reason why I haven't take it yet is because I am unable to get my hands on it. And I'm on probation right now so I'm just laying low for a while.

ITT people make broad claims about drugs they have never done, or don't have the slightest conception about.

Well you're saying that your individual experience is the only one that can exist. And I'm saying "no, it's possible that you just couldn't handle your shit/weren't prepared for it. sorry to break it to you."

[Om Namah Shivaya]

Originally Posted by The Greek

Meh. I dun really care if you respect or believe me. Go smoke dmt. I think it should be a mandatory experience for everyone.

Why do you think it's illegal, then? What does that say about the people who run the world?

[Mashleshmash]

Originally Posted by The Greek

Meh. I dun really care if you respect or believe me. Go smoke dmt. I think it should be a mandatory experience for everyone.

Mandatory? So you would recommend DMT to a hallucinogen naive person? Well god damn. That's just plain...stupid.

[Om Namah Shivaya]

Originally Posted by Mashleshmash

Mandatory? So you would recommend DMT to a hallucinogen naive person? Well god damn. That's just plain...stupid.

Yeah, who knows what it could do to someone who has no experience with psychedelics. It's almost like giving the keys to your mustang to a child that is still learning how to ride a bike.

[The Greek]

Originally Posted by Om Namah Shivaya

If that is true, then why are you still alive? I'm not saying that what you said is false, I just want to hear your interpretation of it.

I said you experience dying. Not that you die. And I actually did just write out that experience and decided not to post it as words don't even come close to doing it justice.

Originally Posted by Om Namah Shivaya

because it terrified you?

lol no, because I could write a million word essay on it and you still wouldn't have the vaugest conception of what I'm talking about. It is beyond english. It is beyond words, it is beyond humanity, and this reality. There is no explaining it.

I would do dmt again in a heartbeat, but like yourself, I cannot currently find it. My source on that dried up. If I really wanted to, I could make it, but I think I'll be able to source it soon, so I'm not going to bother.

Originally Posted by Om Namah Shivaya

Well you're saying that your individual experience is the only one that can exist. And I'm saying "no, it's possible that you just couldn't handle your shit/weren't prepared for it. sorry to break it to you."

Haha, that says it all. There is no preparing for dmt. Can you prepare to get your head bashed in with a sludge hammer? Because that's kinda what its like. There is no preparing for it. Its like getting your head smashed to goo with a psychedelic warhammer.

And I handled my shit just as well as everyone else who ever smoked dmt. I passed out, and when I woke up, I was terrified, confused, amazed, and in total awe. After a few minutes you sort of regain yourself and try to remember and understand wtf just happened.

[The Greek]

Originally Posted by Mashleshmash

Mandatory? So you would recommend DMT to a hallucinogen naive person? Well god damn. That's just plain...stupid.

No.

Originally Posted by Om Namah Shivaya

Yeah, who knows what it could do to someone who has no experience with psychedelics. It's almost like giving the keys to your mustang to a child that is still learning how to ride a bike.

And no.

A better analogy is like shooting someone up with heroin. Doesn't matter if that person is a 7 year old autistic, or a 34 year old war veteran, the exact same thing is going to happen. There is no preparing for it.

Understanding the trip is a different matter, that does take experience. I wouldn't expect a 7 year old to get much significance out of dmt, at least in a sense that they would be able to verbally articulate.

I had a lot of experience with psychedelic's before I smoked dmt. I'm telling you, they have naught in common. Nothing will ever prepare you for dmt. I could have smoked it in grade 8 before I had done any other drugs and I would have the exact same experience. I may have understood it differently upon returning to the world, but thats about it. I would have been terrified and amazed either way.

[Om Namah Shivaya]

Originally Posted by The Greek

I said you experience dying. Not that you die. And I actually did just write out that experience and decided not to post it as words don't even come close to doing it justice.

Oh, ok.

lol no, because I could write a million word essay on it and you still wouldn't have the vaugest conception of what I'm talking about. It is beyond english. It is beyond words, it is beyond humanity, and this reality. There is no explaining it.

Sort of like how I feel about some of my dreams I have at night. If I tried to explain them, it would never do them justice.

I would do dmt again in a heartbeat, but like yourself, I cannot currently find it. My source on that dried up. If I really wanted to, I could make it, but I think I'll be able to source it soon, so I'm not going to bother.

Yeah. So don't call me a pussy because I haven't done it yet. There's other factors that you must consider.

There is no preparing for it.

I disagree. You may not be able to prepare for it entirely (although this is open for debate as well), but that doesn't mean it's ok to give DMT to just anyone.

And I handled my shit just as well as everyone else who ever smoked dmt. I passed out, and when I woke up, I was terrified, confused, amazed, and in total awe. After a few minutes you sort of regain yourself and try to remember and understand wtf just happened.

Are you saying that you felt terrified after you came down? If that's the correct term for it.

[The Greek]

Originally Posted by Om Namah Shivaya

Oh, ok.
Sort of like how I feel about some of my dreams I have at night. If I tried to explain them, it would never do them justice.

I know exactly what you mean. Now multiple that feeling by a billion, and change all the laws of physics in said dream (to indescribable ones, it would like explaining gravity to someone who has never felt gravity), and you still wouldn't approach the injustice that english does to explaining a dmt trip.

Originally Posted by Om Namah Shivaya

I disagree. You may not be able to prepare for it entirely (although this is open for debate as well), but that doesn't mean it's ok to give DMT to just anyone.

Thats probably true.

Originally Posted by Om Namah Shivaya

Are you saying that you felt terrified after you came down? If that's the correct term for it.

Yes. Although I don't recall saying that... But yes, that is the case. The entire trip you are not scared because you have no ego. You don't know what fear is... but when you come back into... yourself, you realize you are someone, and that something is horribly wrong. You have no idea you are on a drug or that said drug will wear off. You don't know what is wrong, you just know it is. You feel like dying. You are floating towards a bright light and your... self... slowly starts to come back, and your initial instinct is to panic. Its like you are born all over again, but into a universe that is totally foreign to you. Then you wake up to what feels like a 3 hit lsd trip (that only lasts for a minutes at the most). Its impossible to describe. But I don't believe anyone can come out of the nexus (feel like dying and then being born) and not feel fear. It would be like seeing a baby born who isn't crying. But whatever, don't take my word for it. Hopefully you find out for yourself some day.

[Figure-8]

Meditate moar, then experience Euphoria and awe, and the rest in the background. It's not fear. It's the knowledge that you are going to eventually return and the experience isn't set in stone. It never truly is, because you can always return here, but when you are ready to stay, you are not afraid. By nature of your very being there.

By your nature of very being here, you are not ready to stay there. By being here you are going to experience disorder and confusion when you do not move in sync with the rhythm of the lessons. They are based upon mutual perception, and that everyone is a part of you. Physically apart, but in actuality, one whole organism.

When you understand this, you share the love, the love is never not there, there is no way to realize it when we are intellectually limiting ourselves by believing in delusion.

Ego is delusion. Ego provides us with the ability to believe in separation, ego causes us to fight and turn to differences rather than similarities in order to preserve our illusion of false self.

You were unprepared and still are, but this isn't a bad thing or anything like that.

[GreatestGatsby4]

Originally Posted by The Greek

Describe your experience, dose, and method on consumption. I find it hard to believe anyone had a breakthrough experience smoking dmt and didn't feel terrified.

100mg smoked, three hits held in as long as possible.

After the third hit, I was holdin my breath and my entire visual field exploded into geometric forms and lines dancing to the music I had on, I closed my eyes and I was out of my body watching incredibly intense visuals that looked like rotating cups made of cardiovascular veins.

Shortly afterwards I felt my spirit being elevated and when i stopped, I was in a vast emptiness which was rapidly filled with what I can only describe as everything in it's purest form. Eventually, the vastness took the form of a man of no discernible age and I knew this was "god", this is what people are trying to explain when they talk of spirituality or forms of higher consciousness.

I asked the man how I should act towards a girl I was interested in at the time and he gave me an analogy about rivers and how the human life is like a river that flows from one body of water to another, connecting the two. You can't force a river to flow the way you want it to, and likewise you have to let people live for themselves instead of trying to get them to behave how you want them to. At the end of every river of our life our water/soul is deposited back into the ocean with all the other water, until we become part of another river.

Then, I stood in his presence for a little longer before opening my eyes and coming back.

[Mashleshmash]

I think somebody just got pwn'd.

[The Greek]

Originally Posted by GeriatricGrandpa4

100mg smoked, three hits held in as long as possible.

After the third hit, I was holdin my breath and my entire visual field exploded into geometric forms and lines dancing to the music I had on, I closed my eyes and I was out of my body watching incredibly intense visuals that looked like rotating cups made of cardiovascular veins.

Shortly afterwards I felt my spirit being elevated and when i stopped, I was in a vast emptiness which was rapidly filled with what I can only describe as everything in it's purest form. Eventually, the vastness took the form of a man of no discernible age and I knew this was "god", this is what people are trying to explain when they talk of spirituality or forms of higher consciousness.

I asked the man how I should act towards a girl I was interested in at the time and he gave me an analogy about rivers and how the human life is like a river that flows from one body of water to another, connecting the two. You can't force a river to flow the way you want it to, and likewise you have to let people live for themselves instead of trying to get them to behave how you want them to. At the end of every river of our life our water/soul is deposited back into the ocean with all the other water, until we become part of another river.

Then, I stood in his presence for a little longer before opening my eyes and coming back.

That sounds pretty cool but I wouldn't consider that a full breakthrough. It sounds similar to mine at the beginning though.

"I asked the man how I should act towards a girl I was interested in at the time"

Not exactly something someone in the nexus should be concerned with.

And I think your dmt must have been weaker than mine, or smoked differently. I hope you used a bong and not a pipe... I couldn't even finish taking my first hit. I got about half way through it before I was unconscious. I only used 40mg too. e, or maybe it was 60, I forget now.

W/e though, I guess I shouldn't make statements about this shit without being very literal. If you smoke enough dmt to experience ego loss, you will most likely be frightened when you return to your ego. And 'most likely' is really overkill.

[GreatestGatsby4]

I can't imagine how I could have broken through any more, I was totally GONE, and the question I had in mind before the trip, because I was told it's good to have a problem or something in your life you want to solve while in the zone.

[Om Namah Shivaya]

And you weren't frightened when you "came back"?

[The Greek]

Originally Posted by GeriatricGrandpa4

I can't imagine how I could have broken through any more, I was totally GONE, and the question I had in mind before the trip, because I was told it's good to have a problem or something in your life you want to solve while in the zone.

If you were asking a question about a chick you didn't loose your ego. To me, that was the craziest part of the trip by far. So yes, you can break through more. I'm sure there are many levels beyond what I experienced too. I want to inject that shit, its the only way to go to the next level, as I passed out before I even finished my hit. And I'm assuming you were using a pipe. Use a bong, and see what happens.

[Mashleshmash]

Talk to Erorr about injecting.

[The Greek]

Originally Posted by Mashleshmash

Talk to Erorr about injecting.

He injected dmt? Or just injected shit in general. Because I know how to inject shit. I don't know how to refine dmt to near 100% purity so it is safe for injecting though.