fake alpha

[Zay]

When a guy has spent his entire life being needy (or “beta”), magically transforming himself into an “alpha” is much easier said than done. One must develop genuine confidence, self-respect, a healthy sense of boundaries among other things. It’s often a painful long-term process that entails quite a bit of introspection, questioning, doubt, anger, frustration, personal development, lifestyle changes, and so on.

But there’s a shortcut. And that’s to objectify women. When a woman becomes merely another conquest, a number, something to treat like a trophy or a toy, it suddenly becomes extremely easy to assert yourself around them, to prioritize your own values and beliefs over theirs, to risk rejection around them, and dominate any perspectives they may have — all attractive “alpha” traits, merely expressed in horrible ways.

Unfortunately, somewhere along the line, the pick up industry’s conception of “Alpha” became equated with “objectifying women” and soon thousands of men were sucked into it — typically men with the deepest anger issues.

And the sad thing is, it works… not on all women, but it works. Women with any confidence will pass up a Fake Alpha in a heartbeat. She sees right through his macho veneer. But low self-esteem women, particularly women with dump-truck loads of emotional baggage — particularly the type of women getting drunk in night clubs regularly — will gladly subject themselves to the abuse.

The whole article is here:
http://www.practicalpickup.com/the-fake-alpha-males

Before all the haters chime in, pickup is one of the many things I read on a regular basis. It granted me the opportunity to be selective. Options are good. If you came here to talk the usual shit then I'm not going to bother responding to it. That said, the reason I linked to this was because I thought it might demystify some of the stereotypes out there. Not everyone who tests the water with several girls is a guido-type douchebag. Half the time "douchebag" just means someone that makes you feel threatened because they're more successful than you in something you inherently feel that you lack. I dated 6-8 girls over the past year, depending on how you define dating, in the last 12 months and something I'm liked for now is my "quiet confidence." I made mistakes with all but the last but they were all a learning experience. At first I had to always subtly hint that I had a life, or that I had certain accomplishments(I won't name them because I don't need to, see? ) I'd blow dates or ignore calls just to prove to myself that girls didn't have power over me. In the end I just kicked back, started treating my friends with more kindness and respect, and shit worked out. It's not all about putting people down, and you are allowed to be full-blown romantic if the girl earns it.

[Vizier]

Yeah well, that's just like your opinion man.

[Marijuanasaurus]

Are you implying that youre gay?

[Daily]

Zay used to be a good poster until he lost his virginity.

[Marijuanasaurus]

You see this is classic first class mac. You get a taste of the pussy and you devote your entire life to finding more. You forget about the finer things in life and eventually find yourself putting the pussy on the pedestal. Just chill dude, you already got laid, go with the flow now. Girls can smell a chump a mile away.

[Vizier]

I gets mad pussy.

[plehem12]

did he just recently lose his virginity for real or is this a running joke that im missing? i want to make fun of him too

[Dr. Awkward]

Alpha is overrated anyways, girls are all over epsilons these days

[dead]

Originally Posted by Dr. Awkward

Alpha is overrated anyways, girls are all over epsilons these days

[Dr. Awkward]

Originally Posted by dead

[psychomanthis]

Originally Posted by Zay

I'd blow dates or ignore calls just to prove to myself that girls didn't have power over me.

The fact that you felt the need to proove to yourself that girls had no power over just goes to show that you had a lack of self confidence and thus yourself were and quite possibly still are a "fake alpha".

Another example of your insecurity.

Originally Posted by Zay

. Not everyone who tests the water with several girls is a guido-type douchebag. Half the time "douchebag" just means someone that makes you feel threatened because they're more successful than you in something you inherently feel that you lack.

Here you are justifying your actions and building your defense for the following which you wrote about dating 6-8 girls. Basicly what you are saying here is: I am not a douchebag and if you think i am it's because you are jealous.

Originally Posted by Zay

At first I had to always subtly hint that I had a life, or that I had certain accomplishments(I won't name them because I don't need to, see? ) .

This is also quite funny, you say i won't name them because i don't need to. It is a thinly veiled attempt at modesty while hinting at the fact you have made "certain accomplishments"



Noob...

[Tokerface]

Originally Posted by Vizier

I gets mad pussy.

Why bag him, he's had literally hundred's of roots, the lucky cunt.

[Marijuanasaurus]

Originally Posted by Tokerface

Why bag him, he's had literally hundred's of roots, the lucky cunt.

I would trade pride and dignity for a few dozen roots.

[5.56 SS109]

Originally Posted by Vizier

I gets mad pussy.

You wish you got even 1% of the pussy that I do.



You mad cuz I'm stylin' on you.

[Marijuanasaurus]

Originally Posted by 5.56 SS109

You wish you got even 1% of the pussy that I do.



You mad cuz I'm stylin' on you.

You see this is what I mean, a respectable looking man, probably has not had sex with more than 2 woman, but they were both special memories and worthwhile experiences that taught him a lot about life. It really shows in his composition, as he does not dress as if he is going to a Johnny Dep convention.

[Blunderstar]

I fucking loathe you, OP, which is unfortunate since I always thought you were a normal, decent member.

I don't think it's any secret now, but for those of you who I don't talk to or cam with on MSN, I should probably point out that most of my threads on LLR have just been for my own entertainment. At least, I hope I'm not really the virgin I've made myself out to be on here. Either way, it doesn't really matter, and anybody who continues to think that of me is the exact type of person this post will be about.

But specifically; Zay, you're terrible. I hate you. You are the main source that is feeding my hatred for society. This is the worst thing I've ever read on Zoklet:

Originally Posted by Zay

I'd blow dates or ignore calls just to prove to myself that girls didn't have power over me.

Oh fuck. I hate you. So fucking much. I ignore women too, but it's losers like you that make them think that I'm ignoring them for attention. YOU'RE the type of faggot who's ruining it for the rest of us. And I detest you for it. You fucking faggot.

Oh my god. What kind of responses were you expecting to this thread? You think the people on here are just clamoring for some advice on how to get laid? Jesus fucking christ, you suck. ANYBODY who follows PUA or any of that shit deserves to have their dick cut off.

YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW TO GET SEX, YOU FAGGOTS? You want to know how to get laid? Here it is, here's the golden fucking rule: Grow the fuck up. That's right. You're a fucking failure right now; nothing you do will get you laid, so just go about your life and naturally evolve into a decent human being. Eventually you'll get pussy and realize how fucking stupid this PUA shit is.

Zay, you're a stupid cocksucker, and I've lost so much respect for you. You're worse than Tacho on my respect-o-meter. That's right, you're lower than Tachosomoza.

I remember when I was a 14-year-old faggot, and I would browse PUA sites for a while. I'm actually embarassed I did that, and yet how old are you? In your fucking late teens or 20s? Ugh, you're terrible. I bet you've made these threads before, and people have replied with, "Stop putting pussy on the pedestal" but you actually took that as real PUA advice, and made an effort to lower the pedestal in an attempt to get laid.

And what the fuck is this?:

Originally Posted by Zay

I dated 6-8 girls over the past year, depending on how you define dating, in the last 12 months and something I'm liked for now is my "quiet confidence."

Who the fuck cares how many girls you've dated, you miserable piece of shit?! Seriously?! You're bragging about dating 6 to 8 girls?! WHO THE FUCK CARES?! Anybody who's over 20 years old could find a date easily; it's called being a mature faggot and asking a fucking women out on a fucking date. DATING AND SEX ISN'T SOME MIRACULOUS, RARE THING, YOU COCKSUCKER DOUCHE.

I hope to fucking god you're not in your 20s. If you are, I'm seriously going to lose my last remaining hope for the male gender. It's like I'm in a parallell universe where all the men are missing parts of their brains or something.

And you know what the worst part is? All of these women you're "dating" and worthless, stupid whores anyway. That PUA shit would be MORE than worthless back in 50s and earlier, because women were actually good back then. And no, not because that was before feminism or anything hurrdurrhurr... well, I suppose that has something to do with it, but it's not like I want woman to be housewives or anything. I'm happy they can get jobs and shit. What I mean is, every woman today is a total fucking slut. Remember when Headspin made that thread saying he found a woman that wasn't like the rest? Then her facebook was leaked and she was just as generic and shitty as the rest of them? All woman are total whores, looking for attention on facebook and dresing like sluts. WHOA DUDE, CONGRATULATIONS. YOU DATED 6 TO 8 OF THEM! YOU'RE A FUCKING MASTER!!! HOW DID YOU DO IT?!?!?!?!?!?!

Who the FUCK CARES that you've done anything wtih a woman? Oh my fucking god, you know what would be a REAL accomplishment? If you found a woman who was actually decent, with moral values and who didn't comply to the definition of a philosophical zombie. And then you made her fall in love with you, and you spent the rest of your life fucking happy. THAT would be an accomplishment. But no, you come on here bragging about having sex with some dumpster trash and expect us to applaud? Fuck you. You fucking piece of shit.

[Mashleshmash]

Originally Posted by Blunderstar

...

With that being said, where the fuck did the smart girls go?

[Zay]

Originally Posted by Marijuanasaurus

I would trade pride and dignity for a few dozen roots.

You can't have pride and dignity while you still smoke weed you fucking junky. Weed is for tools.

[Mashleshmash]

Hahahah fuck you Zay. I don't even smoke weed anymore but fuck you.

[Zay]

Originally Posted by Blunderstar

YOU'RE the type of faggot who's ruining it for the rest of us.

That right there is your problem. You're an AFC. Average frustrated chump. If you weren't an inferior species women might want to mate with you.

[Mashleshmash]

/troll

I'll feed you anyways.

He's a tool for smoking weed but you're a superior species for fitting some faggot-mold? Yeah, he's totally the tool.

[Star Wars Fan]

Originally Posted by Mashleshmash

With that being said, where the fuck did the smart girls go?

You can't find them because of your social circle

[Star Wars Fan]

Originally Posted by Zay

That right there is your problem. You're an AFC. Average frustrated chump. If you weren't an inferior species women might want to mate with you.

Please don't use PUA slang in here bro.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

Originally Posted by Blunderstar

I fucking loathe you, OP, which is unfortunate since I always thought you were a normal, decent member.

I don't think it's any secret now, but for those of you who I don't talk to or cam with on MSN, I should probably point out that most of my threads on LLR have just been for my own entertainment. At least, I hope I'm not really the virgin I've made myself out to be on here. Either way, it doesn't really matter, and anybody who continues to think that of me is the exact type of person this post will be about.

But specifically; Zay, you're terrible. I hate you. You are the main source that is feeding my hatred for society. This is the worst thing I've ever read on Zoklet:



Oh fuck. I hate you. So fucking much. I ignore women too, but it's losers like you that make them think that I'm ignoring them for attention. YOU'RE the type of faggot who's ruining it for the rest of us. And I detest you for it. You fucking faggot.

Oh my god. What kind of responses were you expecting to this thread? You think the people on here are just clamoring for some advice on how to get laid? Jesus fucking christ, you suck. ANYBODY who follows PUA or any of that shit deserves to have their dick cut off.

YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW TO GET SEX, YOU FAGGOTS? You want to know how to get laid? Here it is, here's the golden fucking rule: Grow the fuck up. That's right. You're a fucking failure right now; nothing you do will get you laid, so just go about your life and naturally evolve into a decent human being. Eventually you'll get pussy and realize how fucking stupid this PUA shit is.

Zay, you're a stupid cocksucker, and I've lost so much respect for you. You're worse than Tacho on my respect-o-meter. That's right, you're lower than Tachosomoza.

I remember when I was a 14-year-old faggot, and I would browse PUA sites for a while. I'm actually embarassed I did that, and yet how old are you? In your fucking late teens or 20s? Ugh, you're terrible. I bet you've made these threads before, and people have replied with, "Stop putting pussy on the pedestal" but you actually took that as real PUA advice, and made an effort to lower the pedestal in an attempt to get laid.

And what the fuck is this?:



Who the fuck cares how many girls you've dated, you miserable piece of shit?! Seriously?! You're bragging about dating 6 to 8 girls?! WHO THE FUCK CARES?! Anybody who's over 20 years old could find a date easily; it's called being a mature faggot and asking a fucking women out on a fucking date. DATING AND SEX ISN'T SOME MIRACULOUS, RARE THING, YOU COCKSUCKER DOUCHE.

I hope to fucking god you're not in your 20s. If you are, I'm seriously going to lose my last remaining hope for the male gender. It's like I'm in a parallell universe where all the men are missing parts of their brains or something.

And you know what the worst part is? All of these women you're "dating" and worthless, stupid whores anyway. That PUA shit would be MORE than worthless back in 50s and earlier, because women were actually good back then. And no, not because that was before feminism or anything hurrdurrhurr... well, I suppose that has something to do with it, but it's not like I want woman to be housewives or anything. I'm happy they can get jobs and shit. What I mean is, every woman today is a total fucking slut. Remember when Headspin made that thread saying he found a woman that wasn't like the rest? Then her facebook was leaked and she was just as generic and shitty as the rest of them? All woman are total whores, looking for attention on facebook and dresing like sluts. WHOA DUDE, CONGRATULATIONS. YOU DATED 6 TO 8 OF THEM! YOU'RE A FUCKING MASTER!!! HOW DID YOU DO IT?!?!?!?!?!?!

Who the FUCK CARES that you've done anything wtih a woman? Oh my fucking god, you know what would be a REAL accomplishment? If you found a woman who was actually decent, with moral values and who didn't comply to the definition of a philosophical zombie. And then you made her fall in love with you, and you spent the rest of your life fucking happy. THAT would be an accomplishment. But no, you come on here bragging about having sex with some dumpster trash and expect us to applaud? Fuck you. You fucking piece of shit.

I want to print screen this but the entire post doesn't even fit on my screen.

[Mashleshmash]

Originally Posted by Star Wars Fan

You can't find them because of your social circle

What social circle? I cut off all my connections with previous friends because they were either:

A. Douchebags

or

B. Potheads (not that there's anything wrong with that but I can't have that influence in my life right now)

[Zay]

Only douchebags date the hot girls. Only greedy capitalists make money in life. Only assholes, cheats and liars become politicians. All managers and supervisors and cops are jerks. Everyone in the military is brainwashed. All frat boys are losers paying money for friends. All athletes are idiots. Humanity is just a pointless species evolved from monkeys, and planet earth is a dumb rock floating in space zooming in circles around a giant ball of fire. That's why everyone should be a buddhist monk or a weedsmoking hippy and worship trees and turds and not want anything enough to step on some toes.

[Mashleshmash]

Well clearly, I don't have to ask you if you see your glass half empty or half full.

[NamelessNom4d]

:youmad:

[Mashleshmash]

Nah.

[Star Wars Fan]

Originally Posted by a224

I want to print screen this but the entire post doesn't even fit on my screen.

ctrl + mouse wheel to make it fit then print. or copy to word and print

Originally Posted by Mashleshmash

What social circle? I cut off all my connections with previous friends because they were either:

A. Douchebags

or

B. Potheads (not that there's anything wrong with that but I can't have that influence in my life right now)

Well you can get friends from book-reading groups, socialization/foreign exchange programs, art galleries/showings, conventions of various types, etc

[Mashleshmash]

Yes I plan to.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

Originally Posted by Star Wars Fan

ctrl + mouse wheel to make it fit then print. or copy to word and print



Well you can get friends from book-reading groups, socialization/foreign exchange programs, art galleries/showings, conventions of various types, etc

Then the text would be too small to read, no? I'll grab it when i get to my big monitor.

[47 47 47]

Originally Posted by Vizier

Yeah well, that's just like your opinion man.

FUCK! I love you man. Lebowski is easily my favorite movie

[King of the world]

The real alphas go to church, fuck bitches, get money, get the manipulative power and influence the politics.

[Vizier]

Massive hangover in this bitch.

[Nameraca]

I find truth in what you put here, Zay. I know shit about you, but that site is nice, I'll browse the shit out of it. Thanks.

As for the people bashing him, don't waste your time doing that. That time is better spend gaining things for yourselve, than trying to put some guy down on the internet, saying he is actually insecure and pretending and whatnot.

We all have baggage, we all have weaknesses, and having a perfect behaviour is impossible. We all have insecurities, and this guy has methods to make his less apparent, less present in his life, such as ignoring some women.

Now, discussing the validity of what he said is irrelevant, because he is 100% right so you're 100% wrong if you don't believe what he said. Scratch that, no one is discussing, there is only bashing. Well you're still wrong and Zay is right.

[Tom "Fuck Models" Brady]

I'll let Zay get all the cumdupsters and I'll take the fine bitches with class that he can't get

[Marijuanasaurus]

Originally Posted by Zay

Only douchebags date the hot girls. Only greedy capitalists make money in life. Only assholes, cheats and liars become politicians. All managers and supervisors and cops are jerks. Everyone in the military is brainwashed. All frat boys are losers paying money for friends. All athletes are idiots. Humanity is just a pointless species evolved from monkeys, and planet earth is a dumb rock floating in space zooming in circles around a giant ball of fire. That's why everyone should be a buddhist monk or a weedsmoking hippy and worship trees and turds and not want anything enough to step on some toes.

Youre gonna make yourself a douchebag to get a hot girl? Thats called putting the pussy on the pedestal brah, congratulations.

For a guy who comes to this site trying to seek wisdom, you sure take constructive criticism like a little bitch, This is probably why it took you this long to get laid.

[A$AP Weed Smoker]

Originally Posted by Blunderstar

I fucking loathe you, OP, which is unfortunate since I always thought you were a normal, decent member.

I don't think it's any secret now, but for those of you who I don't talk to or cam with on MSN, I should probably point out that most of my threads on LLR have just been for my own entertainment. At least, I hope I'm not really the virgin I've made myself out to be on here. Either way, it doesn't really matter, and anybody who continues to think that of me is the exact type of person this post will be about.

But specifically; Zay, you're terrible. I hate you. You are the main source that is feeding my hatred for society. This is the worst thing I've ever read on Zoklet:



Oh fuck. I hate you. So fucking much. I ignore women too, but it's losers like you that make them think that I'm ignoring them for attention. YOU'RE the type of faggot who's ruining it for the rest of us. And I detest you for it. You fucking faggot.

Oh my god. What kind of responses were you expecting to this thread? You think the people on here are just clamoring for some advice on how to get laid? Jesus fucking christ, you suck. ANYBODY who follows PUA or any of that shit deserves to have their dick cut off.

YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW TO GET SEX, YOU FAGGOTS? You want to know how to get laid? Here it is, here's the golden fucking rule: Grow the fuck up. That's right. You're a fucking failure right now; nothing you do will get you laid, so just go about your life and naturally evolve into a decent human being. Eventually you'll get pussy and realize how fucking stupid this PUA shit is.

Zay, you're a stupid cocksucker, and I've lost so much respect for you. You're worse than Tacho on my respect-o-meter. That's right, you're lower than Tachosomoza.

I remember when I was a 14-year-old faggot, and I would browse PUA sites for a while. I'm actually embarassed I did that, and yet how old are you? In your fucking late teens or 20s? Ugh, you're terrible. I bet you've made these threads before, and people have replied with, "Stop putting pussy on the pedestal" but you actually took that as real PUA advice, and made an effort to lower the pedestal in an attempt to get laid.

And what the fuck is this?:



Who the fuck cares how many girls you've dated, you miserable piece of shit?! Seriously?! You're bragging about dating 6 to 8 girls?! WHO THE FUCK CARES?! Anybody who's over 20 years old could find a date easily; it's called being a mature faggot and asking a fucking women out on a fucking date. DATING AND SEX ISN'T SOME MIRACULOUS, RARE THING, YOU COCKSUCKER DOUCHE.

I hope to fucking god you're not in your 20s. If you are, I'm seriously going to lose my last remaining hope for the male gender. It's like I'm in a parallell universe where all the men are missing parts of their brains or something.

And you know what the worst part is? All of these women you're "dating" and worthless, stupid whores anyway. That PUA shit would be MORE than worthless back in 50s and earlier, because women were actually good back then. And no, not because that was before feminism or anything hurrdurrhurr... well, I suppose that has something to do with it, but it's not like I want woman to be housewives or anything. I'm happy they can get jobs and shit. What I mean is, every woman today is a total fucking slut. Remember when Headspin made that thread saying he found a woman that wasn't like the rest? Then her facebook was leaked and she was just as generic and shitty as the rest of them? All woman are total whores, looking for attention on facebook and dresing like sluts. WHOA DUDE, CONGRATULATIONS. YOU DATED 6 TO 8 OF THEM! YOU'RE A FUCKING MASTER!!! HOW DID YOU DO IT?!?!?!?!?!?!

Who the FUCK CARES that you've done anything wtih a woman? Oh my fucking god, you know what would be a REAL accomplishment? If you found a woman who was actually decent, with moral values and who didn't comply to the definition of a philosophical zombie. And then you made her fall in love with you, and you spent the rest of your life fucking happy. THAT would be an accomplishment. But no, you come on here bragging about having sex with some dumpster trash and expect us to applaud? Fuck you. You fucking piece of shit.

That was amazing. I got to make fun of Zay without appearing mad in this thread.

[Phlegm!]

God this thread sucks. Zay you're being an approval seeking chode, go get internal confidence, stop looking to girls for validation. At the same time, the man shouldn't be knocked for chasing pussy, it's his biological purpose after all, just ensure it's part of a flourishing lifestyle, not the core of it.