Re: A flow chart to help Republicans choose their candidate
Some are evil, some are insane, some just don't understand, and some know better but play along to get elected and wouldn't actually implement some of their party's crazier beliefs. (the last one I just hope is true)
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WTF happened to the republican party?
The 1970's and the rise of the New Right.
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Republicans are evil and they want to destroy America! All Republicans worship Bush, love Jesus, hate gays, and don't believe in evolution.
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I got "liar" as a result.
I don't like Republicans or Democrats, so I guess that response is more proof that I don't belong in the party system.
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I've prepared one for Democrats.
Are you stupid? -> yes -> Change, Hope, etc.
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Re: A flow chart to help Republicans choose their candidate
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Except the Democratic party isn't the one taking pro-austerity/crude liquidationist and anti-science positions.
They aren't?
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no...
do you even know what I was talking about?
Yes.
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explain how the democratic party ideologically supports austerity, liquidation, and anti-science.
Californian Budget.
The Republicans are not for liquidation.
Democrats are not pro-science, they are pro-whatever fits their cultural marxist ideologies. Much of the time their political zeal taints science with bullshit, and at other times they deny scientific truths because it doesn't agree with their existing beliefs.
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I've point out 2 obviously insane position of the right, let's hear what makes the left so stupid?
Well, since we're showing off our subjective pov/opinion of various positions as "proof" of insanity, we can go with these particular nuggets of wisdom from their own website:
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"Responsibility from people who are living in the United States illegally: Undocumented workers who are in good standing must admit that they broke the law, pay taxes and a penalty, learn English, and get right with the law before they can get in line to earn their citizenship."
So in other words, the Democrats want illegal aliens to stop doing what they're doing, that is the very successful entry they've managed into the United States, admit they're wrong, pay for it and then go to the back of the immigration line.
Which is part of the reason they undertook the process ilegally in the first place.
That's just stupid.
2. "Democrats stand for an open and respectful dialogue about faith in society, embracing people of all faiths. Because many religion-specific values translate into universal values shared across the political spectrum, we believe that an open and earnest discussion about faith can contribute to society in many ways, and can lead to greater tolerance and acceptance—virtues truly befitting America’s promise."
Since when is faith/religion, no matter what high-minded purpose the Democrats may have, anything the government has business poking its nose in? Why do we want a repeat of the Republican party on this?
Separation, per constitution. Keep that crap away from the government.
In summary,
Don't get me wrong, I agree about the Republicans on general principle, but I'm not letting Democrats off the hook for their own brand of garbage. This is only scratching the surface.
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Originally Posted by Dread_Lord
Californian Budget.
explain
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The Republicans are not for liquidation.
Yes they are. They oppose both monetary and fiscal stimulus and parody the same bullshit that Andrew Lemon preached during the Great Depression.
“Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate.”
at least Lemon didn't know any better...
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Democrats are not pro-science, they are pro-whatever fits their cultural marxist ideologies. Much of the time their political zeal taints science with bullshit.
like? I don't see the Democrats denying anthropogenic climate change...
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If the right is guilty of misleading the public, it is because they are deeply mislead. Leftist politicians are informed, calculating, and very smug about their current status with the public, when compared to the right. They play upon the emotions of the public; we think our feelings matter, and so do the Mexicans. It's about money; it's about power. If your vote weren't in their pocket, they'd terrorize you for it, Boss Tweed style. Neither side is good. It's all just the worst.
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whether or not austerity works or anthropogenic climate change exists isn't subjective...
Far as austerity goes, you're hamstringing your own claim by using "austerity" in such a general sense. Sure, you can make the claim that austerity doesn't work some or even much of the time, but a general claim that austerity does not work is subjective unless you're prepared to prove that not one single case of any kind of austerity has ever been successful.
As for the other issue, my understanding is that the point of departure comes not on whether anthropogenic climate change exists, but whether it is a significant enough factor to warrant discussion. Then again, I'm not Republican, and as far as I know, they might really be stupid enough to believe that.
Since you didn't bother to respond to the rest, should I conclude that you agree with my conclusion that these other stances on the part of the Democratic party are stupid?
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Far as austerity goes, you're hamstringing your own claim by using "austerity" in such a general sense. Sure, you can make the claim that austerity doesn't work some or even much of the time, but a general claim that austerity does not work is subjective unless you're prepared to prove that not one single case of any kind of austerity has ever been successful.
By connecting austerity to Andrew Lemon and the Great Depression and given the current state of global economic growth it should be abundantly clear that I mean austerity will not act as an economic kicker and will in fact (as it has been in Europe) hurt economic growth.
This is not a time to balancing budgets.
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As for the other issue, my understanding is that the point of departure comes not on whether anthropogenic climate change exists, but whether it is a significant enough factor to warrant discussion. Then again, I'm not Republican, and as far as I know, they might really be stupid enough to believe that.
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By connecting austerity to Andrew Lemon and the Great Depression and given the current state of global economic growth it should be abundantly clear that I mean austerity will not act as an economic kicker and will in fact (as it has been in Europe) hurt economic growth.
This is not a time to balancing budgets.
Relating the two by stating that Republicans parody something you disagree with isn't exactly .... connecting. In fact, it sounds like you're contradicting yourself.
I'd like to hear your reasoning on why balancing budgets is a bad idea. Are you actually -endorsing- further deficit spending?
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Yes they actually believe that.
Because I wasn't sure on that, I looked it up. According to their 2008 party platform, unless something has changed, it looks like my understanding was right the first time around.
Read the section titled "Addressing Climate Change Responsibly" on page 42. That's acknowledgement by the GOP that there is a human impact on the climate, though it dismisses that impact as minimal by giving matching priority to competitiveness.
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explain
They don't have google where you are from?
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Yes they are. They oppose both monetary and fiscal stimulus and parody the same bullshit that Andrew Lemon preached during the Great Depression.
“Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate.”
at least Lemon didn't know any better...
They only say that because they want the Tea Party / libertarian Vote .
They're not going to do shit about the debt. Bush raised the ceiling like 5 times and he raised the debt 4 trillion dollars. Did you also forget about the economic stimulus act of 2008? Don't act like the Republicans didn't vote in favor of it.
His name was Andrew Mellon, by the way.
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like? I don't see the Democrats denying anthropogenic climate change...
Pretty much everything to do with their cultural marxists belief system is based on bullshit.
Are you trying to get me to argue with you about climate change?
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They don't have google where you are from?
I'm guessing you're just saying that because you don't have any real point to make.
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They only say that because they want the Tea Party / libertarian Vote
Which has a large grip on the Republican party now.
Rick Perry, a leading presidential candidate, threatened violence against Ben Bernanke for "printing money."
Mitt Romney also threatened to replace the Chairman
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They're not going to do shit about the debt. Bush raised the ceiling like 5 times and he raised the debt 4 trillion dollars. Did you also forget about the economic stimulus act of 2008? Don't act like the Republicans didn't vote in favor of it.
His name was Andrew Mellon, by the way.
they already have...
The ARRA, which almost all Republican publicly scorn, was made woefully inadequate to deal with our output gap because of them.
Which has a large grip on the Republican party now.
Rick Perry, a leading presidential candidate, threatened violence against Ben Bernanke for "printing money."
Mitt Romney also threatened to replace the Chairman
Yeah, saying and doing are two different things.
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they already have...
The ARRA, which almost all Republican publicly scorn, was made woefully inadequate to deal with our output gap because of them.
Elaborate.
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Yes they are. They oppose both monetary and fiscal stimulus and parody the same bullshit that Andrew Lemon preached during the Great Depression.
“Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate.”
When the stock market bubble of the Roaring Twenties (which was created as a result of the loose monetary policy of the newly created Federal Reserve) finally popped, Hoover would not allow market forces to correct the imbalances. His policies were aimed at propping up unsound businesses, artificially supporting prices, particularly wages, and providing Federal funds for public works projects. These moves went well beyond the progressive reforms of Teddy Roosevelt, and established Hoover as the most interventionist president ever up to that point. In fact, much of what eventually became the New Deal had its roots in Hoover's policies.
However, at the time, there were those who recommended a different course. Andrew Mellon, the long-serving Secretary of the Treasury whom Hoover had inherited from the prior two Republican Administrations, was labeled by Hoover as a "leave it alone isolationist" who wanted to "liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, and liquidate real estate." Hoover would have none of it. In fact, during his nomination speech for his second term, Hoover bragged "We determined that we would not follow the advice of the bitter liquidationists and see the whole body of debtors of the United States brought to bankruptcy and the savings of our people brought to destruction."
Hoover chose to ignore the sound advice of his Treasury Secretary and instead used every tool at his disposal to "fix" the problem. As a result, rather than allowing a recession to run its course, with healthy and rapid liquidations of the mal-investments built up during the boom, Hoover inadvertently created what became the Great Depression.
When Roosevelt took office he continued the same failed policies only on a grander scale. The magnitude and the idiocy of many New Deal programs, such as the wage and price setting National Recovery Administration (NRA), compounded the problems. So while Mellon's advice would have caused a sharp but relatively brief economic downturn (which occurred after the Panic of 1907, for example), the Depression plodded on for nearly a decade until the country began gearing up for the Second World War.
In an amazing feat of revisionist history, somehow Hoover's interventionist policies have been completely forgotten. It is taken as fundamental that his inaction led to the Depression and Roosevelt's "heroics" got us out. Unfortunately, since we have learned nothing from history, we are repeating the very mistakes that lead to the most dire economic circumstance of the last century.
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When the stock market bubble of the Roaring Twenties (which was created as a result of the loose monetary policy of the newly created Federal Reserve) finally popped, Hoover would not allow market forces to correct the imbalances. His policies were aimed at propping up unsound businesses, artificially supporting prices, particularly wages, and providing Federal funds for public works projects. These moves went well beyond the progressive reforms of Teddy Roosevelt, and established Hoover as the most interventionist president ever up to that point. In fact, much of what eventually became the New Deal had its roots in Hoover's policies.
However, at the time, there were those who recommended a different course. Andrew Mellon, the long-serving Secretary of the Treasury whom Hoover had inherited from the prior two Republican Administrations, was labeled by Hoover as a "leave it alone isolationist" who wanted to "liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, and liquidate real estate." Hoover would have none of it. In fact, during his nomination speech for his second term, Hoover bragged "We determined that we would not follow the advice of the bitter liquidationists and see the whole body of debtors of the United States brought to bankruptcy and the savings of our people brought to destruction."
Hoover chose to ignore the sound advice of his Treasury Secretary and instead used every tool at his disposal to "fix" the problem. As a result, rather than allowing a recession to run its course, with healthy and rapid liquidations of the mal-investments built up during the boom, Hoover inadvertently created what became the Great Depression.
When Roosevelt took office he continued the same failed policies only on a grander scale. The magnitude and the idiocy of many New Deal programs, such as the wage and price setting National Recovery Administration (NRA), compounded the problems. So while Mellon's advice would have caused a sharp but relatively brief economic downturn (which occurred after the Panic of 1907, for example), the Depression plodded on for nearly a decade until the country began gearing up for the Second World War.
In an amazing feat of revisionist history, somehow Hoover's interventionist policies have been completely forgotten. It is taken as fundamental that his inaction led to the Depression and Roosevelt's "heroics" got us out. Unfortunately, since we have learned nothing from history, we are repeating the very mistakes that lead to the most dire economic circumstance of the last century.
wow, I'm absolutely baffled at these outright lies. so typical of the austrians. Of course they don't even consider the THE MORAL CASE AGAINST UNEMPLOYMENT and think we should all suffer from their debunked HANGOVER THEORY
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Also I find it hilarious that you mention it was WWII that ultimately brought us out of the depression since this was the ultimate form of government intervention and spending in the economy.
doubly hilarious is that it wasn't even spending on productive goods!
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When Roosevelt took office he continued the same failed policies only on a grander scale. The magnitude and the idiocy of many New Deal programs, such as the wage and price setting National Recovery Administration (NRA), compounded the problems. So while Mellon's advice would have caused a sharp but relatively brief economic downturn (which occurred after the Panic of 1907, for example), the Depression plodded on for nearly a decade until the country began gearing up for the Second World War.
Unemployment was down 25% by 1941 before the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Also, the Second World War insofar as the American economy was concerned WAS massive government spending. Also it was Hoover's refusal to bail out the banks that made the depression as bad as it was.
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How many people can convince themselves that their ideals can be fairly represented in government using a TWO party system?
Three-party doesn't really work either since the third party usually shacks up with either of the two main parties after an election and becomes entirely irrelevant. Unless of course you somehow have three equally strong parties I guess.
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