using self checkout to steal?

[HellBent]

So say a meijer or walmart or somewhere has self checkouts, and expensive merchandise. My bud kyle wants to know if u take $1000 dollar tv, self checkout and scan it doesn't that scan remove securities so you don't buzz when u walk out? Or do you actually have to FINISH transaction b4 that'll happen... kyle wants to scan item then quickly leave and alarms wouldn't go off cuz of scan... good plan bad plan?

[Irukanji]

Bad. Lern2RFIDtag.

Those self-serv checkouts dont have the deactivation stuff built in.

[Sober]

if u are under 18 do whatever the fuck you want while u can

[HellBent]

Ok just a thought... so even if I bought it it'd still buzz? Then the "I threw recipe away I don't keep em" may work.. and under 18 was a whiiiiiile ago lmao

[tariel]

I've never seen people buying those kinds of items at self sheckouts. I'm pretty sure you have to go through the checkout for that.

[HellBent]

True I haven't either but it could be anything... like I used to cashier at meijers and people self checkout $200 coffee pots expensive kitchen things. 1 that would work( if only this plan actually worked) is those dyson air multiplier fans. Small box big ass price

[HellBent]

I wonder then if I walked out and beeped and they said recipe please. If I said self checkout 4 said out of paper and I don't have time to go to customer service desk. If they'd let me leave. Or if they went to go check if I shifted they focus to the checkout and im free to walk out when nobody looking. Or if they'd have someone watch me like a hawk... when I worked at meijer... Hah wtf was security towers then? Lol

[Tachosomoza]

No, they wouldn't let you waltz out of the store with a $1,000 television and no receipt because you claimed that the self checkout was out of paper.

[HellBent]

I heard walmart shuts off they towers during busy times to prevent false alarms.. sounds tempting and I wanna check into it

[Tachosomoza]

Check this...


http://www.retail-week.com/in-busine...016395.article

As supermarkets and other retailers tag more of their higher value products to protect against theft, there is an increased likelihood that tagged products will need to be self checkout-friendly.

Neil Matthews, vice-president and general manager at security tagging vendor Checkpoint Systems, says there are a few options to make the self-checkout process as seamless as possible.

For products that are hard-tagged, and that need a staff member to remove the tag, you can set up the self-checkout unit so that the transaction doesn’t complete until a staff member has intervened.

But he says that a better solution can be to use soft tags, which are automatically deactivated when the item is scanned at the self checkout. “Retailers are getting so much intervention that they are pushing towards soft tags and labels,” he explains.

To make sure the tags are deactiviating at the self checkouts you should think about the type of soft tags or labels you use. “Radio frequency, or RF, labels deactivate at up to 10 inches from the scanner,” says Matthews. “Acousto-magnetic, or AM, tags deactivate at only 1 to 2 inches, so they are not a great technology for self-checkout.”

He adds that for some products that are tagged, such as alcohol, the transaction will never be able to be completed without a staff member on hand.”You need intervention anyway for an age check,” he points out

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[King of the world]

You'd have a better chance of barcoding at self checkout.

[aussiecrim]

lol some guy I know has stolen from a self serve checkout, it's easy when you're buying a few items.

[ShadyLady]

Originally Posted by Irukanji

Bad. Lern2RFIDtag.

Those self-serv checkouts dont have the deactivation stuff built in.

Yes, they do. I know this for a fact as I've purchased internally sourcetagged razor blades through the self checkout & the deactivating 'buzz' went off.

Originally Posted by BangRed

So say a meijer or walmart or somewhere has self checkouts, and expensive merchandise. My bud kyle wants to know if u take $1000 dollar tv, self checkout and scan it doesn't that scan remove securities so you don't buzz when u walk out? Or do you actually have to FINISH transaction b4 that'll happen... kyle wants to scan item then quickly leave and alarms wouldn't go off cuz of scan... good plan bad plan?

Do not do that. Just don't. The tv's have spider wraps on them in Walmart, anyways, you need an employee to remove it.

[SBTlauien]

Originally Posted by Sober

if u are under 18 do whatever the fuck you want while u can

A minor can still be charged as an adult. A criminal record isn't wiped clean when a person turns 18 years old.

[ArmsMerchant]

Easy way is to buy bulk foods, enter the code for cheap stuff, but get the expensive stuff.

[Tachosomoza]

Originally Posted by SBTlauien

A minor can still be charged as an adult. A criminal record isn't wiped clean when a person turns 18 years old.

Not automatically. You have to apply to have the records sealed. And it can still be accessed by judges and other interested parties fairly easily when you're an adult, IIRC.

[ShadyLady]

Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant

Easy way is to buy bulk foods, enter the code for cheap stuff, but get the expensive stuff.

Yeah, I like to do that at Whole Foods.

[HellBent]

Wat about the weight scale thingy u have to set it on? They wig out if u type in a 1lb apple and set a 3 pound bag on it

[HellBent]

And shady sorry to confuse you I was mostly thinking about meijers for shoplifting tv's n stuff. Its walmarts competition in oh, ky, in, mi, areas. Great lp, they're secret is its mandatory for 3 hours a day a lp is the door greeter. But almost nothing is spider wrapped. Not tvs computers nodda unless your in a high crime area. And from experience working there lifting at nights is as easy as taking candy from sleven. 3rd shift doesn't care about shoplifters. Only self check open after 12 so no front end people, everyone else working to hard if alarm goes off they hiss at it lmao. There only defense at night is racial/stereotypical profiling. They follow "weird people" or group of kids. If your ever around this area 3rd shift meijers is recommended lmao

[ilovechronic]

Originally Posted by BangRed

Ok just a thought... so even if I bought it it'd still buzz? Then the "I threw receipt away I don't keep em" may work.. and under 18 was a whiiiiiile ago lmao

Fixed because that is bugging the shit out of me. You are not showing them your recipe for making food you are showing a receipt which you don't actually have to stop and show your receipt in the US at least. When they try and stop you for your receipt you do not have to stop and show it to them you can just keep walking because it is voluntary.

[-SpectraL]

They have an LP or two standing right there watching the self-serve checkouts. It would be extremely stupid to try anything like that in this day and age. There are many easier ways.

[Motherfucking_Toast]

Originally Posted by -SpectraL

They have an LP or two standing right there watching the self-serve checkouts.

Home Depot,on the other hand, doesn't.

Obviously you wouldn't want to do it for anything THAT expensive to raise suspicion at a self checkout. There's easier ways.. It could be an option if your lifting smaller and/or less expensive items

[-SpectraL]

I worked LP for there major department stores for 5+ years, and I can guarantee you every single major store has LP, and often the LP will spend an entire day on a single thing... like watching the self-serve checkout and registers like a hawk... looking for hot credit card purchases and wrong amounts on the register displays.

On an aside... if you ever use a hot credit card and it comes up all 9's on the register... like 9999999999... get the fuck out of the store. That's the code for a hot card and LP can spot that from 50 yards away.

[ShadyLady]

Originally Posted by motherfucking_toast

Home Depot,on the other hand, doesn't.

Obviously you wouldn't want to do it for anything THAT expensive to raise suspicion at a self checkout. There's easier ways.. It could be an option if your lifting smaller and/or less expensive items

HD still has LP.

[-SpectraL]

Any major store that didn't have LP would be bankrupt within a week.

[tibberous]

Originally Posted by -SpectraL

Any major store that didn't have LP would be bankrupt within a week.

Things you have to consider:

- The store only 'looses' what it paid, not the retail price
- Digital media, like DVD's, don't cost the store anything if stolen
- Theft is both budgeted in and written off
- An LP guy making $40,000 a year costs the store about $60,000 when you factor in payroll taxes, medical, insurance and unemployment. That's about $200/day.
- Shoplifters cost money to prosecute
- Shoplifters can also be customers. Banning someone for stealing $10 worth of shit means that they'll never shop at your store again - not even when their 30, have a bunch of money and quit shoplifting completely
- If LP fuck up, they open the store open to serious lawsuits
- Most people don't shoplift - even if most people on zoklet do.

[ilovechronic]

Originally Posted by -SpectraL

They have an employee or two standing right there watching the self-serve checkouts. It would be extremely stupid to try anything like that in this day and age. There are many easier ways.

Fixed for bullshit. Stores share loss prevention personnel so it is possible that LP could be there that day but there is no gurantee that LP will even be at that store/location on that day. usually they will rotate days. In high theft areas they may employ full time LP but its not like that everywhere. To employ LP full time you would have to have ~4-6 LP personnel(per store/location) for there to be an lp always there at one location. Some of these chains have thousands of stores so it would just not be financially possible to have that kind of LP at every store.

[-SpectraL]

Originally Posted by tibberous

Things you have to consider:

- The store only 'looses' what it paid, not the retail price
- Digital media, like DVD's, don't cost the store anything if stolen
- Theft is both budgeted in and written off
- An LP guy making $40,000 a year costs the store about $60,000 when you factor in payroll taxes, medical, insurance and unemployment. That's about $200/day.
- Shoplifters cost money to prosecute
- Shoplifters can also be customers. Banning someone for stealing $10 worth of shit means that they'll never shop at your store again - not even when their 30, have a bunch of money and quit shoplifting completely
- If LP fuck up, they open the store open to serious lawsuits
- Most people don't shoplift - even if most people on zoklet do.

Every major department store still has LP. All the humming and hawing in the world ain't gonna change that fact.

[Nick9075]

Originally Posted by -SpectraL

I worked LP for there major department stores for 5+ years, and I can guarantee you every single major store has LP, and often the LP will spend an entire day on a single thing... like watching the self-serve checkout and registers like a hawk... looking for hot credit card purchases and wrong amounts on the register displays.

On an aside... if you ever use a hot credit card and it comes up all 9's on the register... like 9999999999... get the fuck out of the store. That's the code for a hot card and LP can spot that from 50 yards away.

Do you mean a credit card that has been reported as or is suspected as stolen?? Isn't a credit card automatically blocked when there is suspicion of fraud or if it has been reported as stolen and therefore would just decline at the register??

[-SpectraL]

Originally Posted by Nick9075

Do you mean a credit card that has been reported as or is suspected as stolen?? Isn't a credit card automatically blocked when there is suspicion of fraud or if it has been reported as stolen and therefore would just decline at the register??

There's over a hundred declined codes. Some indicate an overdrawn card, some indicate an expired card, some indicate a hot card. If you ever see all 9's come up on the register, that means it's not an overdrawn card and it's not just an expired card or a replaced card, it's a stolen card.

[Nick9075]

Originally Posted by -SpectraL

There's over a hundred declined codes. Some indicate an overdrawn card, some indicate an expired card, some indicate a hot card. If you ever see all 9's come up on the register, that means it's not an overdrawn card and it's not just an expired card or a replaced card, it's a stolen card.

Every time I check out at Target I notice that the undercover AP walks right by the register but doesn't make eye contact with me and there is suddenly a uniformed AP in the front by the doors. Both weren't there when I came into the store. They haven't stopped me but do you think I am being watched as suspicious??

[jackiesbaby]

If it was that easy to steal an expensive TV everyone would have an expensive TV. No, it wouldn't work.

[HellBent]

Tv was just hypothetical. I was speaking about anything tv, games that vacuum u always wanted. That $300 dyson fan u always wondered about ect.

[jackiesbaby]

Originally Posted by BangRed

Tv was just hypothetical. I was speaking about anything tv, games that vacuum u always wanted. That $300 dyson fan u always wondered about ect.

In that case, it'd probably be better to just walk out with a smaller item. Self-checkout areas are usually covered in cameras for obvious reasons.