A sobriety sub-section

[AoxomoxoA]

I think BLTC should a sub-section called "Outta The Sky And Into The Dirt" for former drug users which cannot stop on their own without serious support or those who have stopped and want to keep it that way. I think this idea could be added upon to include other addictions. It would have daily updated news about new advances in drug rehab treatments and home remedies.

[jator]

Who's gonna update that news daily?

Yo mama?

[The American Gentleman]

Wow I think I actually like that idea. Nice one Slag.

Let's make it happen.

[zombo.com]

Fuck that noise.
1. you'd be painting a giant "come fuck with me" sign on your back
2. quitters should be in neuron's and needles any way as far as i'm concerned. BLTC doesn't give a shit. quitters imo, are directly opposite the purpose of the forum.

it's kind of like those drama queen "i'm leaving zoklet threads"

that's very nice for you, but no one else cares.

[Ethan]

I think a straightforward title like "Getting sober" would be best. It would be easy to find, and there would be no confusion as to what the forum is for.

Also, to hell with all of the trolls the forum would bring. One dedicated moderator who is also an addict in recovery would be willing to clean up all of the bullshit and keep the threads strictly related to supporting addicts in recovery.

People need help. Members of Zoklet have the knowledge to help.

Some people don't have a safety net, they don't have a support group, Zoklet is their only social outlet. This is a great idea and should be implemented immediately. I'm sure there is no shortage of addicts in recovery that would be willing to moderate the forum and keep it helpful.

[EDIT] Leaving BLTC is not leaving Zoklet. As sad as it is Zoklet is all some people have. Lets help addicts who are ready to change.

1.We admitted that we were powerless over our addiction, that our lives had become unmanageable.
2.We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3.We made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4.We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5.We admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6.We were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7.We humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8.We made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9.We made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10.We continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11.We sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12.Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

NA Meeting Locator

[Fractals]

Originally Posted by zombo.com

Fuck that noise.
1. you'd be painting a giant "come fuck with me" sign on your back
2. quitters should be in neuron's and needles any way as far as i'm concerned. BLTC doesn't give a shit. quitters imo, are directly opposite the purpose of the forum.

it's kind of like those drama queen "i'm leaving zoklet threads"

that's very nice for you, but no one else cares.

qft

[Trix Are For Kids]

Originally Posted by Ethan

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Yeah dude, because that's exactly what solves peoples' issues. Twelve step programs.

Drug addiction is, in 90% of cases, an overexaggeration. It's not addiction until you literally cannot stop without being bodily injured. Otherwise it's just being partial to something, like eating a lot of icecream or watching porn.

Fuck people who can't fix their own problems. If you're on Zoklet, have computer access, and are posting and contributing, you aren't an addict.

[Daily (version two).]

I have to agree with zos here.

[zombo.com]

what's with the new version daily?

[Daily (version two).]

That has nothing to do with the thread. Stick to the topic PM me if needed.

[zombo.com]

Originally Posted by Daily (version two).

That has nothing to do with the thread. Stick to the topic PM me if needed.

nah i don't care that much, i just figured i'd ask in case someone goes to ban it, i could say "no no, it's not like that, daily already told me what was up".

[Ethan]

Originally Posted by Trix Are For Kids

Yeah dude, because that's exactly what solves peoples' issues. Twelve step programs.

Drug addiction is, in 90% of cases, an overexaggeration. It's not addiction until you literally cannot stop without being bodily injured. Otherwise it's just being partial to something, like eating a lot of icecream or watching porn.

Fuck people who can't fix their own problems. If you're on Zoklet, have computer access, and are posting and contributing, you aren't an addict.

In denial.

:youmad:

[Fractals]

Originally Posted by Ethan

In denial.

:youmad:

Regardless, BLTC doesn't welcome quitters. Like zos said, it belongs in N&N.

[AoxomoxoA]

Originally Posted by Fractals

Regardless, BLTC doesn't welcome winners. Like zos said, it belongs in N&N.

Fix't for truth.

[zombo.com]

i've seen your threads, there's no win there.

[Piles of Crack]

it's fucking hilarious that this thread was started by slag

[elf omg]

BLTC doesn't welcome quitters? Wow, that's some elitist bs. Some of your best contributors are former addicts gone clean. I support the idea of a sobriety sub-forum, and I think it would do best in BLTC. That's where the knowledge is, and if you don't believe me look at the withdrawal sticky in N&N.

Most serious addicts will want to try to quit at some point, and a place to discuss how much shit SUCKS with other people who understand what it's like might actually help someone. I know I would post there.

[ArmsMerchant]

Originally Posted by Trix Are For Kids

Drug addiction is, in 90% of cases, an overexaggeration. It's not addiction until you literally cannot stop without being bodily injured. Otherwise it's just being partial to something, like eating a lot of icecream or watching porn.

The last time I saw a post with so many errors in such a small space, it was some nonsense from JFLC.

"90% of cases"--what "cases"? The statement is meaningless.

"overexaggeration"? As opposed to underexaggeration? Or just plain old exaggeration? Fact is, addicts tend to minimize and UNDERexaggerate the damage done.

"partial. . . .eating ice cream" Yeah, right. People sell their bodies all the time for a vanilla cone with some sprinkles. . . .

[Asheville]

I second this idea, it would be great. It's good that we have a forum where people can ask how much meth to do, how to sharpen used rigs, cook crack, etc. but it would be nice to have a sub-forum dedicated to those who no longer want to dance with the devil and try to get their lives back in order. I'm sure many Zokleteers suffer from various addictions, and it might help a few people work out their troubles with the support of the community.

[Asheville]

Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant

The last time I saw a post with so many errors in such a small space, it was some nonsense from JFLC.

"90% of cases"--what "cases"? The statement is meaningless.

"overexaggeration"? As opposed to underexaggeration? Or just plain old exaggeration? Fact is, addicts tend to minimize and UNDERexaggerate the damage done.

"partial. . . .eating ice cream" Yeah, right. People sell their bodies all the time for a vanilla cone with some sprinkles. . . .

oh yeah, I agree with this too.

I hate the argument that weed/coke what ever is just "psycologically" addictive, and that you could just as easily be addicted to food, therefore marijuana has no addiction potential.

Let me tell you something, the people who are "addicted" to food like McDonalds cheeseburgers and ice cream sandwiches have actual addictions as well. They usually end up obese and nasty, with numerous health problems as well. most obese people live far shorter lives than the rest of us, eventually their arteries become clogged and they have a heart attack.

[The Methematician]

Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant

..Fact is, addicts tend to minimize and UNDERexaggerate the damage done. ....

is that y your posting here instead of being at the damage done ???

[ArmsMerchant]

Just for the record, I would be willing to mod a sobriety sub-section. Right now, I have about eight years free of alcohol , nicotine, coke, benzos--pretty much everything except for a few RCs and smoke, and I have been cutting way down on them lately.

I worked for the Governor's Council on Drug and Alcohol Programs for ten years or so, have done volunteer work in counselling, and was in charge of the local NA group for several years.

Another thing--recovery is mostly spiritual. Spirituality is something I know a bit about.

Still, I am just volunteering, not lobbying.

[zombo.com]

sure, put it under the religionboard.
Just like an AA meeting in a church basement. sounds great.

[ArmsMerchant]

Your sarcasm is inappropriate.

Be advised that there is a world of difference between religion and spirituality.

[zombo.com]

my sarcasm was heartfelt. I don't give a shit what you do, so long as it's not attached to bltc.

and i thought the AA meeting in a chruch basement line was pretty good.

be advised that being a humorless ass is why no one likes you.

[ArmsMerchant]

I have attended thousands of AA meetings since I started going in 1976--none was in a church basement.

Recovery is a matter of life or death--only a foolish child, or childish fool--would make light of it.

[Daily]

Sorry, ArmsMerchant, you will never be a mod again. Stop begging to be in a position of authority.

[zombo.com]

thousands huh? sounds like it must not be working very well.

Recovery is a matter of will, and choice, like everything else.

[ArmsMerchant]

Originally Posted by zombo.com

thousands huh? sounds like it must not be working very well.

Recovery is a matter of will, and choice, like everything else.

Well enough--I was alcohol-free from 1980-1987 ( then I got involved with Xanax), quit for good on May 23, 2003.

Yep, it's all choice. I bow to your superior wisdom. I chose to be born into a poor family, I chose to be born with a genetic predisposition to addiction, I chose to develope cataracts and glaucoma, my wife chose to be raped three times, her two cousins chose to be murdered. . . . . .

[Daily]

Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant

Well enough--I was alcohol-free from 1980-1987 ( then I got involved with Xanax), quit for good on May 23, 2003.

Yep, it's all choice. I bow to your superior wisdom. I chose to be born into a poor family, I chose to be born with a genetic predisposition to addiction, I chose to develope cataracts and glaucoma, my wife chose to be raped three times, her two cousins chose to be murdered. . . . . .

Didn't you make a post the other day about how suffering is a choice?

[zombo.com]

and you blame your addictions on those problems in your life, now you spend all day smoking rc blends. sounds fair to me.

also, cry me a fucking river.

[Zok Jr.]

Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant

Yep, it's all choice. I bow to your superior wisdom. I chose to be born into a poor family,

Well that was dumb

I chose to be born with a genetic predisposition to addiction,

Now wh ythe hell would you chose something like that?

I chose to develope cataracts and glaucoma,

Don't you think it as a little morally objectionable to collect donations for a medical condition you chose to have?

my wife chose to be raped three times

Well she must have picked up the bad decision making from you apparently.

her two cousins chose to be murdered. . . . . .

Do you mean they committed suicide? Or some did someone hold a gun to their head and say live or die choose now!

You need to work on your decision making skills a little bit there bud.

[Trix Are For Kids]

Addiction comes from within, not without.

"Addicts" need to stop blaming the drugs and start taking a good hard look at themselves.

[Trix Are For Kids]

Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant

Recovery is a matter of life or death

It's not a matter of life or death, it's simply how you perceive yourself. Just because you are dependent on a drug and don't enjoy it doesn't mean that you are "broken," just like all the brainwashed fools tell you that you are. It's YOUR body and YOUR self. YOU choose the right and wrong paths. You're only addicted if you don't like it.

[Ethan]

Originally Posted by Trix Are For Kids

It's not a matter of life or death, it's simply how you perceive yourself. Just because you are dependent on a drug and don't enjoy it doesn't mean that you are "broken," just like all the brainwashed fools tell you that you are. It's YOUR body and YOUR self. YOU choose the right and wrong paths. You're only addicted if you don't like it.

Chemical dependency doesn't give some people a choice. They chose to start doing the drug, they chose poorly, and they need the support of other human beings to get clean. A sobriety section would be a service to zoklet's users. That is why ArmsMerchant still goes to AA even though he is clean and sober.

[AdMech]

While I agree with Arms that ending an addiction is not often simply a matter of saying "oh hey I think I'm going to quit now", I also agree with zombo.com: BLTC is about drugs and drug users, and it's not the place for people who aren't into that. If someone wants to quit, that's cool, good for them (and I mean that)... but that's sort of like attaching a "People Who Hate RC Cars" section to an RC car forum, y'know? A wet blanket at a fun party.

We don't want no quitters in our den of vice and hedonism.

[Ethan]

People wanting to get clean wouldn't be ruining BLTC's party. Remember that BLTC used to be NotForHumanConsumption until people got tired of looking at the reminder that what they were doing to their brains and bodies might not be a good idea. Giving addicts in recovery their own forum won't hurt anything.

Why not give it a go? If addicts in recovery pour into BLTC and start wagging fingers at the drug users, then it is an issue. If they stay in a sobriety subsection, then its a live and let live situation.

[zombo.com]

lmao, nfhc was an ironic joke about the controlled substances act.

and we're not going to give it a go because we're not interested. put it on as an annex to your forum.

[&Zenith]

Fake and gay.

[Ethan]

Originally Posted by zombo.com

lmao, nfhc was an ironic joke about the controlled substances act.

and we're not going to give it a go because we're not interested. put it on as an annex to your forum.

I stand corrected.