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I have a friend that recently started injecting crack because the cocaine purity around here is garbage. He uses 1/2inch 1cc syringes. He crushes the rock up, nixes it with 20units of distilled white vinegar and 20units of purified water, draws it up through a cotton and puts it in his arm. He has told me there is no burn upon injection and no pain at the site afterwards.

How dangerous is this assuming he doesn't miss? How dangerous is this if he does miss? He is in the armed forces and I guess a lot of them do it. I realize injecting street drugs is never safe, but is there anything I should warn him about?
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Is 1:1 vinegar:water a good ratio? Also, he likes to drink while doing this. Does this increase cocaethylene production? Everyone is free to post but I'm really looking for people with personal experience or possible a upper level degree in pharmacology , orgo, or something similar
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Why doesnt he just wash the coke to raise the purity? This seems dangerous, IVing crack..
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That's not a bad idea although neither of us have washed coke before. I've read about acetone washes and such but don't really know if that would be any better. I guess ideally you would want to find a solvent, that is safe for injection, and will dissolve coke but not most common cuts (and certainly not cuts that are insoluble in water). I don't know of such a solvent and I could be way off anyway
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I couldn't see vinegar being an issue.

Also, it almost definitely won't effect cocaethylene production whatsoever.
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That's not a bad idea although neither of us have washed coke before. I've read about acetone washes and such but don't really know if that would be any better. I guess ideally you would want to find a solvent, that is safe for injection, and will dissolve coke but not most common cuts (and certainly not cuts that are insoluble in water). I don't know of such a solvent and I could be way off anyway
The solvent just has to be able to dissolve the coke and should evaporate entirely without leaving behind any residue. Even if it's not safe for injection to IV directly, that shouldn't be an issue if you dry it right.
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That's not a bad idea although neither of us have washed coke before. I've read about acetone washes and such but don't really know if that would be any better. I guess ideally you would want to find a solvent, that is safe for injection, and will dissolve coke but not most common cuts (and certainly not cuts that are insoluble in water). I don't know of such a solvent and I could be way off anyway
Whats with the obsession in banging the coke? If you could wash it, then you might as well snort it. Yeah you have to use some volatile liquids to wash it, but its made with gasoline anyway so thats no issue.
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I don't see why he is even using water, its not like it is going to mix with the vinegar/coke mixture and dilute it, he's just injecting water for the hell of it.
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I used to do this personally, almost exactly.

I'd buy a $10 rock of crack cocaine, crush it, add 20-30 units of white vinegar, and inject it.

I did it because it provided such a superior rush compared to any other form or method of administration of cocaine I had ever tried.

As far as damaging, it is not good at all. I personally don't have any known negative side effects of shooting the white vinegar, but it is without a doubt damaging. Shooting vinegar into your veins in no way, shape, or form, can be determined to be "safe".

And your friend is right. There is no burning sensation, even if he missed. The cocaine numbs that. However, the risk of an abscess from missing a shot is always present.
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Does the acetic acid convert (at least some of) the crack to salt form, cocaine acetate?
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Vinegar = diluted acetic acid.

It is never good to be shooting something into your veins that can lower or raise the pH in your bloodstream. You and your friend would profit much more from cleaning the coke and then shooting it or just snorting it.
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Does the acetic acid convert (at least some of) the crack to salt form, cocaine acetate?
Somewhat, yes.
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Vinegar = diluted acetic acid.

It is never good to be shooting something into your veins that can lower or raise the pH in your bloodstream. You and your friend would profit much more from cleaning the coke and then shooting it or just snorting it.
Dude, its 20cc not a pint of vinegar.
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Dude, its 20cc not a pint of vinegar.
True, but it's bad nonetheless. Once you try it, you'll undoubtedly do it many, many times.

Those 20ccs repeatedly over a period of time really add up..

Plus, it's good practice to avoid any negatives when you can, no matter how small the risk. I just didn't give a fuck, even though I knew better, because I was a filthy junkie.
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True, but it's bad nonetheless. Once you try it, you'll undoubtedly do it many, many times.

Those 20ccs repeatedly over a period of time really add up..

Plus, it's good practice to avoid any negatives when you can, no matter how small the risk. I just didn't give a fuck, even though I knew better, because I was a filthy junkie.
I know, my arms still have hard spots inside them from years of this kind of abuse. I've only done this twice (broke down a crack rock with vinegar) though, if crack were the only thing around I would have done it more.

edit: but I have used my own spit to break drugs down several times.
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I know, my arms still have hard spots inside them from years of this kind of abuse.
I know exactly what you mean.

The veins in the tops of my hands are rendered useless, as well as the veins at the traditional injection site. Those veins are both hard as hell.

I have an abscess on the vein in my left ankle and I blew a vein in my neck. :/
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edit: but I have used my own spit to break drugs down several times.
Hahahha! Been there, buddy! My own spit, water, vinegar, tea, gatorade, and alcohol.
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I know exactly what you mean.

The veins in the tops of my hands are rendered useless, as well as the veins at the traditional injection site. Those veins are both hard as hell.

I have an abscess on the vein in my left ankle and I blew a vein in my neck. :/
I feel you man, the tops of my hand look like they have been shot up with bb guns, and last winter I had an abscess on my right ankle, right on top of that bone sticks out on the inside. On you neck? That would trip you out a little.
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On you neck? That would trip you out a little.
Oh, yes. The neck. There was many a time I found myself with a belt around my neck trying to shoot up in my neck via the reflection in the mirror due to all my other veins being fucked.
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Hahahha! Been there, buddy! My own spit, water, vinegar, tea, gatorade, and alcohol.
Yep. alcohol scared me, one of the few times I've been scared. It burned so bad, plus I had used it to break down xanax, I kind of felt like I was dying.
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IVing vinegar is fucking retarded and unsafe. If your friend plans on dying by 30, which a lot of people do, then it will cause no serious problems. If he intends to not die by 30 this is fucking stupid.
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Oh, yes. The neck. There was many a time I found myself with a belt around my neck trying to shoot up in my neck via the reflection in the mirror due to all my other veins being fucked.
My fiancee stopped me from doing that exact same thing, except I was hanging off the side of the bed first to let more blood get in my head, its sad what we will try just to get that rush.
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My fiancee stopped me from doing that exact same thing, except I was hanging off the side of the bed first to let more blood get in my head, its sad what we will try just to get that rush.
When injecting into your neck, the MOMENT you begin to push on the plunger, you feel it. So your normal dose can oftentimes become too much.
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When injecting into your neck, the MOMENT you begin to push on the plunger, you feel it. So your normal dose can oftentimes become too much.
Really? I've never actually touched my neck, the closest I have come are the vein that runs above the collar bone and with meth I could taste it before I pushed the plunger, and would feel it right when I starting pushing.
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When injecting into your neck, the MOMENT you begin to push on the plunger, you feel it. So your normal dose can oftentimes become too much.
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You are a wealth of information you should accept modship if offered.
Well thank you. I try to inform people to the best of my knowledge. I've been down a lot of roads in this field and know a thing or two about certain subjects as well as generally.

Thank you though. It's much appreciated.
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Well thank you. I try to inform people to the best of my knowledge. I've been down a lot of roads in this field and know a thing or two about certain subjects as well as generally.

Thank you though. It's much appreciated.
Your post have an air of nostalgia to them, you're one of the few people online that I've seen ... I don't want to offend anyone with this, but.. that your stories reflect the true drug world, or what it was for so long. Even in real life, I can't say that that people often represent true immersion in the drug world. I don't know if that makes any sense or not, but you should definitely be a mod when the proper time comes of course.
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I did this when IVing 5meodmt. It had no burn or negative side effects. Panny nailed it all though. From personal experience though it didnt show any immediate signs of risk but id still highly assume its no good.
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