Various martial arts and a MMA guys opinion of them

[Das Troll]

My first post in a long time didn't go so well so I decided to switch gears a bit. This next post will be my opinion on various martial arts I've taken in my time as a mixed martial artist.

First up is boxing. I know some people who think boxing isn't a martial art, but I disagree 100%. To learn how to box well is just as hard as learning Karate or Tae Kwon Do. I've had boxing apart of my regular work out for quite a few years and I must say it's indispensable. Normal fights will end up in two dudes throwing haymakers or rolling around in the dirt like a couple of wild dogs. A quick 1 2 could save you a whole lot of trouble. Some have argued that boxing without gloves on is a bad idea. That you can break your hand easily. This is somewhat true. Most of the skull above the nose is pretty damn hard and can break your fist in a hurry. But a good boxer will target the weak spots on a face and not just throw punches to throw them. Paired up with footwork and a vigorous cardio work out, this martial art is well worth taking.

Jiujitsu or Brazilian Jiujitsu is one that gained popularity with the Gracies when they started UFC way back. As you all probably know it employs chokes, arm bars, leg locks ect ect. BJJ is better to take in my opinion than traditional JJ because all the traditional stuff I've seen from Japan has been katas and such. I'm not saying that it's all useless, but BJJ seems more useful to me. Most people who don't know any better will say things like you can't do JJ without a gi on and that's simply untrue. I've seen no gi BJJ where guys just get their limbs destroyed. Hell I've even watched a man shit himself on the mat while rolling. This is a nasty martial art that can easily cripple the next tough guy who thinks he can hold out when someones got him in a heel hook. In a regular street fight it's not the smartest idea to go to the ground when his buddies are just waiting to stomp you though. Many BJJ places teach a self defense version of their style. Very useful, take it if you can find a good place that teaches it.

Tae Kwon Do is shit. There I said it and I'm not sorry about it. If anyone here as taken TKD and wasted your time on it then I feel sorry for you. Traditional Korean TKD is good stuff, but the crap they have in the states is a waste of time and money. You shouldn't see an 8 year old kid walking around the dojo with a black belt on. Hell you shouldn't have a black belt in any martial art in the first few years unless your a genius. I can't say enough bad things about TKD. Although there is one good thing about it, they do teach you to put a kick anywhere you want it.

I have mixed feelings about Karate. It seems that Karate is has been so widely dispersed that you can find great Karate or fucking belt factory garbage Karate. Fighters like Leoto Machida have forced Karate to work in the UFC world so it can work in a chaotic situation. Take it if you want but look for Kyokushi Karate. They seem to be closest to the Karate roots. I can't really say a whole lot about karate since it is so diverse in it's pros and cons. Take it or leave it.

Wrestling is one I've learned to hate over the years. Most of my losses were to wrestlers. Having a good wrestler on top of you or in side mount is like having someone lay a truck on your chest. It's unreal how they disperse their weight so well. Wrestling is very popular in the MMA arena because of it's quick take downs and the ability to keep people down. I don't know how many times I've been completely OK then upside down before I even knew what was happening. Take wresting if you can deal with long, grueling practices and lots of sweaty men. Wrestling is kind of hard to do on the street because a slam may well hurt someone real bad. Or if you do it wrong you can shoot for a single and crack your knee on the cement.

Last for this post is my first love and my main love, Muay Thai. The art of 8 limbs got a hold of me a long time ago and never let go. Vicious elbows, knees, punches and kicks. A good MT work out will be hellish and sweaty. Good MT can be done in a phone booth, literally. Elbows, knees and hooks are bread and butter in MT. Worried about breaking your hand in a fight when you hit someones skull? Use an elbow and cut their face like you had a hatchet on you. The only downside to MT is the traditional side or the pure Thai side of things. They don't like to use punches or hooks very much because as my teachers teacher said, "Fuck a hook". Why throw a punch with a padded glove when you can throw an unpadded elbow and cut. But as a dutchman Ramone Dekker showed the whole of Thailand, punches do crazy damage. Definitely take this martial art. It's well worth your time.

That just about wraps it up for now. I'm starting to get tired so if this post receives anything other than disgust and hatred I'll post stuff about Kali, Kung Fu, Judo and fencing.

[Jive Talka]

I've studied a little bit of Shotokan and jiu-jitsu when I was in college and I enjoyed them both (sans the katas in karate).

I'll (hopefully) be enrolling for grad school in a city that I've recently discovered has muay thai and judo schools nearby.

I'm fully accepting the fact that mauy thai is going to kick my ass (I've been out of practice for the better part of 6 months) but what should I expect for judo?

Also, what are some good ways to prepare for the training I'll be doing? I've recently taken up running and shadow boxing again. Any other tips?

[Jesus "Fuck Lepers" Christ]

opinions on jeet kun do?

[Jive Talka]

Originally Posted by Metacarpal

opinions on jeet kun do?

The "martial art" or the school of thought?

[Jesus "Fuck Lepers" Christ]

the martial art

[p6867]

couldn't agree more by the way. Wrestling and boxing are the 2 most practical martial arts outside of a ring. I take bjj off and on (my buddy wants to learn how to shoot and move, I want to learn mma, so we help each other out with out strengths) and have a couple years of muay thai and it is handsdown the most efficient striking system around, but for competition i've always been more impressed with the dutch kickboxing system.

As far karate, Kyokushi Karate is the only one that hasn't been completely turned into a mcdojo bullshit factory system. Guys like Gaube Feitosa (sp?) beat ass like it's going out of style. I once heard someone describe the way he fights as "how your girlfriend beats your ass by mashing the kick buttons on Tekken" which couldn't be more true.

Great post.
Best Kyokushi karate fighter around

Musashi V's Feitosa SemiFinal K-1 2005 - YouTube

Musashi V's Feitosa SemiFinal K-1 2005 - YouTube
Video: click to display

Skip to the 3:50 mark for the knockout

[Jive Talka]

I once heard someone describe the way he fights as "how your girlfriend beats your ass by mashing the kick buttons on Tekken" which couldn't be more true.

Perfect.

[STD]

Personally I hate martial arts because their fancy moves are nearly totally irrelevant in real life. I talk from experiences, I get drunk and get in several street fights per week. No formal combat training, but I've got strength, experience, and a few good moves that rarely let me down.

[Jive Talka]

So what should I expect one my first of day mauy tahi training?

Generally speaking.

[Jesus "Fuck Lepers" Christ]

Originally Posted by STD

Personally I hate martial arts because their fancy moves are nearly totally irrelevant in real life. I talk from experiences, I get drunk and get in several street fights per week. No formal combat training, but I've got strength, experience, and a few good moves that rarely let me down.

How exactly are submission moves, elbows, knees, and punches considered "fancy moves"?

[STD]

Originally Posted by Metacarpal

How exactly are submission moves, elbows, knees, and punches considered "fancy moves"?

I more meant that anybody who explicitly sticks to just one martial art is not making a very smart choice.

Take what works and discard the rest. I think Bruce Lee said that and he was fucking sexy, so he must be right.

[p6867]

Originally Posted by STD

Personally I hate martial arts because their fancy moves are nearly totally irrelevant in real life. I talk from experiences, I get drunk and get in several street fights per week. No formal combat training, but I've got strength, experience, and a few good moves that rarely let me down.

I'm sure you do. Why you're just so tough, i don't see how you stand it.

[944]

*Waits for argument about who badass/shitty Krav is*

[r.bonesmith]

I think you need to ask what you are looking for in a martial art before you make a determination, they are concentrate on different things.

Boxers throw the hardest punches and are the people I would most not want to fuck with. Best in a fight hands down. Short shelf life though. When was the last time you saw an old boxer? They push themselves hard when young and it shows.

Tae Kwon Do is a sport just like fencing is a sport. The objective for the practitioner is to score points. Expecting it to make you fight ready is stupid.

Jiu Jitsu is about controlling the opponent. This is great is you are a bigger guy, allows you to manhandle people. I'm 220 and I never have to worry about getting hit because, frankly, no one is big enough to be able to hit me and do much damage, so sure they hit me once or twice but never three times because by then I have picked them up, thrown them down, and I'm on top of them with a submission hold.

Karate is a belief system, more like a religion than something that will get you ready for fighting. Traditionally it was only a practice of Kata's. That was it, no sparing, no punching, no kicking, nothing, just kata's. Expecting it to make you battle ready is stupid. It is an art that requires constant practice and study, and at every step of the way your teachers, if they are good, tell you it is not for fighting. I have a lot to say on the subject obviously. I have never met anyone who so absolutely dominates and destroys their opponents the way the old karateka does. It requires years of practice and study to get to this level, something most people are not willing to commit to. You will not be battle ready for decades, but when you are, nothing can stop you. Recently shotokan has had an alright showing in the UFC, but I feel I should point out that those practicing shotokan in the UFC are amateurs, they are not highly ranked, amateurs really compared to many committed practitioners.

I will say again, Karate is a belief system, not a school of fighting, treat it accordingly.

Wrestling is great and I love it. They absolutely dominate on the mat but again, like tae kwon do, it is a sport, not meant for actual fighting. That being said, it translates well into the real world, very well. Wrestlers are strong and are used to throwing other people around.

Of all the martial arts I can think of boxing is the only one that trains you to knock someone out, probably why it produces the scariest fighters? have you seen videos of mike tyson fights when he was 18? I know a lot of MMA people say "Oh I could take him down" but I don't think they have watched his videos. He moves faster than anyone I have ever seen.

I did take some BJJ. It's a fast path to being able to fight, will get you ready fast because it breaks it down and teaches the basics, pretty much keep your fists up, keep it simple, don't do flashy moves they don't work. If you are on the ground don't give the opponent your back. Simple, easy to learn, and with a little physical conditioning you can beat 99 percent of the people on the planet. The kids I trained with annoyed me and it was apparent that they had never trained in anything before. They discovered fighting is easy and thought they could take on anyone. I think they were surprised when I started and could easily kick everyones ass but the teachers who both had been training for years. The old practitioners turn it into a practical art form and they are good at it. I have a lot of respect for them.

I won't say any style is better than the rest. You get out of something what you put into something. I have met very commited people from many different schools, and none of them are people I would like to fight. I have also met complete fuck offs from many different schools who are all bark, no bite.

I will say that I have never gone to school and gotten any disrespect from any of the teachers about any other styles i have practices and trained in over the years. a good school will not fault you for training in a different style, they will encourage it and respect your growth as a person for branching out.

[rabbitweed]

Originally Posted by Das Troll

Normal fights will end up in two dudes throwing haymakers or rolling around in the dirt like a couple of wild dogs.

That has not been my experience at all.

[p6867]

Originally Posted by r.bonesmith

Jiu Jitsu is about controlling the opponent. This is great is you are a bigger guy, allows you to manhandle people. I'm 220 and I never have to worry about getting hit because, frankly, no one is big enough to be able to hit me and do much damage, so sure they hit me once or twice but never three times because by then I have picked them up, thrown them down, and I'm on top of them with a submission hold.

I stopped paying attention to you here. Dude, i'm only like 175, but i guarantee if i connect well, i will break something in your face. We're not kids anymore dude, when grown men fight, each punch is strong enough to break shit and your size doesn't make you magically tougher. If you have an orbital or jaw bone, I can break it with one or 2 punches.

Bob Sapp is mostly made of rhinoceros hormones, steroids and tractor, but that didn't stop cro cop from breaking his face with a right cross.

[Jive Talka]

It's funny that you should mention that TKD is comparable to fencing because that's the vibe I get whenever I watch it. Don't get me wrong, there are some badass Tae Kwon Do guys & girls out there (especially Koreans or Olympic level practitioners) but from the handful that I've personally met, I haven't been to impressed.

I went to a TKD tournament with my dad a few weekends ago and the entire time we just kept thinking to ourselves "why aren't they blocking their face? Why do their punches look so weak and imprecise? Why don't they just grab a leg and sweep!?". I think what we realized is that a majority of the practitioners there were products of McDojos.

I'm not saying the art doesn't have any useful moves, I just think the ones that are there are muddled down by the amount of terrible users.

Originally Posted by p6867

We're not kids anymore dude, when grown men fight, each punch is strong enough to break shit and your size doesn't make you magically tougher.

Pretty much.

[Rolf]

A martial art only has the capacity to be as good as the martial art's practitioner, proclaims Rolf.

Originally Posted by STD

I talk from experiences, I get drunk and get in several street fights per week.

"Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting," quotes Rolf.

[rabbitweed]

Originally Posted by STD

I get drunk and get in several street fights per week.

That is a really stupid thing to do. If what you say is true then it's just a matter of time before you get seriously injured or in trouble with the law.

I'm sure you're lyk totally too badass to care, but I'm just putting it out there.

[p6867]

Originally Posted by rabbitweed

That has not been my experience at all.

I haven't been in a fight in years, but generally speaking i always found the best route to go was start dropping bombs on my opponents face before he decides to do the same thing. The guy who swings first is usually the dude who leaves.

Basically, if i wasn't so lazy i would make a flow chart


Are you Brock Lesner?
Yes
Carefully drop precise shots into your opponent when he leaves an opening, then go for a ground and pound when you get him off balance

No
Start punching the other guy in the face as hard as you can before he can do the same thing. If this knocks him down, get on top of him and continue until fight is over.

[rabbitweed]

Originally Posted by p6867

I haven't been in a fight in years, but generally speaking i always found the best route to go was start dropping bombs on my opponents face before he decides to do the same thing. The guy who swings first is usually the dude who leaves.

Basically, if i wasn't so lazy i would make a flow chart


Are you Brock Lesner?
Yes
Carefully drop precise shots into your opponent when he leaves an opening, then go for a ground and pound when you get him off balance

No
Start punching the other guy in the face as hard as you can before he can do the same thing. If this knocks him down, get on top of him and continue until fight is over.

IME fights have generally not been started from such a distance where punching is very effective (at least not by someone who doesn't know what they're doing - IE most people including me).

I dunno though, do Americans actually get in fights like they do in the movies? You know, two dudes rationally decide to head outside the bar to settle an argument with fisticuffs?

[Jive Talka]

Originally Posted by rabbitweed

I dunno though, do Americans actually get in fights like they do in the movies? You know, two dudes rationally decide to head outside the bar to settle an argument with fisticuffs?

In my experiences, no.

All the fights I've witnessed as a doorman was the result of loud drunk asshole A accosting drunk asshole B. Asshole A might apologize to asshole B for his boarish behavior once he realizes he's in the wrong. However, asshole B will almost never accept his apology and inaccurate punches will then be thrown.

That's where me and my co-workers step in to stop you and kindly escort you out of the club.

[r.bonesmith]

Most bars just throw out the drunken parties and then everyone goes home. I've never had a problem with cops and bar fights.

Originally Posted by p6867

I stopped paying attention to you here. Dude, i'm only like 175, but i guarantee if i connect well, i will break something in your face. We're not kids anymore dude, when grown men fight, each punch is strong enough to break shit and your size doesn't make you magically tougher. If you have an orbital or jaw bone, I can break it with one or 2 punches.

Bob Sapp is mostly made of rhinoceros hormones, steroids and tractor, but that didn't stop cro cop from breaking his face with a right cross.

Do you live in some magical world? Do the laws of physics not exist on planet p6867? Size matters dude, it matters a lot. Impulse (how hard something is hit) is determined by the speed with which something is hit multiplied by the mass of whatever hit it. Basic physics.

The faster you move, the bigger you are, the harder you hit.

You don't hit with your fist, you hit with your whole body. The bigger you are, the harder you hit.

I've been hit by a lot of people, it hurts, it sucks every time. It doesn't matter if the dude is only 165 pounds.

And at 175 pounds you are a lightweight dude, a complete weakling. Unless you are a master, unless you have been training for years you have no hope in a fight against me or anyone of comparable mass who is moderately in shape. Don't try, it will end badly for you.

Do you think they have weight classes just because? You think a welterweight could take on a cruiser weight? Even the UFC has weight classes dude. Wrestling has weight classes. Boxing has weight classes. Any martial art that isn't strictly for fencing or sparring purposes, like tae kwon do, kendo, karate, has a weight class.

The only reason you are saying this shit is because you are small and don't like to think that pretty much anyone could kick your ass.

And don't give me that "I'm fast" bullshit. Our nerves run for roughly the same length and since the speed of an electrical impulse is constant, you really don't have faster reflexes.

But my muscles are bigger and I have more weight behind them. Size matters. Any girl will tell you that.

You think women fuck buff as fuck alphas for no reason? Fuck no, they want big dudes who stomp anyone who tries to rape them and steal their sisters/food/whatever it is they don't want stolen. They want some fucker who can end shit when it starts. Girls don't date small guys for a reason dude. Small guys get stomped.

You ever see a car accident between a pick up and a sedan? Notice how the pickup has a bent bumper but the sedan is totaled?

you ever see a 600 pound black bear take on an 800 pound brown bear?

Bob Sapp and Cro Cop are the exception not rule. You're a 175 pound UFC fanboy, you are the rule, not the exception dude, don't delude yourself.

You don't punch hard enough to break anything. You are hardly big enough to be called a grown man.

It's not magic that makes me tougher, just physics dude.

[rabbitweed]

Real trolling should be effortless. You're trying way too hard.

[p6867]

Originally Posted by r.bonesmith

Do you live in some magical world? Do the laws of physics not exist on planet p6867? Size matters dude, it matters a lot. Impulse (how hard something is hit) is determined by the speed with which something is hit multiplied by the mass of whatever hit it. Basic physics.

The faster you move, the bigger you are, the harder you hit.

You don't hit with your fist, you hit with your whole body. The bigger you are, the harder you hit.

I've been hit by a lot of people, it hurts, it sucks every time. It doesn't matter if the dude is only 165 pounds.

And at 175 pounds you are a lightweight dude, a complete weakling. Unless you are a master, unless you have been training for years you have no hope in a fight against me or anyone of comparable mass who is moderately in shape. Don't try, it will end badly for you.

Do you think they have weight classes just because? You think a welterweight could take on a cruiser weight? Even the UFC has weight classes dude. Wrestling has weight classes. Boxing has weight classes. Any martial art that isn't strictly for fencing or sparring purposes, like tae kwon do, kendo, karate, has a weight class.

The only reason you are saying this shit is because you are small and don't like to think that pretty much anyone could kick your ass.

And don't give me that "I'm fast" bullshit. Our nerves run for roughly the same length and since the speed of an electrical impulse is constant, you really don't have faster reflexes.

But my muscles are bigger and I have more weight behind them. Size matters. Any girl will tell you that.

You think women fuck buff as fuck alphas for no reason? Fuck no, they want big dudes who stomp anyone who tries to rape them and steal their sisters/food/whatever it is they don't want stolen. They want some fucker who can end shit when it starts. Girls don't date small guys for a reason dude. Small guys get stomped.

You ever see a car accident between a pick up and a sedan? Notice how the pickup has a bent bumper but the sedan is totaled?

you ever see a 600 pound black bear take on an 800 pound brown bear?

Bob Sapp and Cro Cop are the exception not rule. You're a 175 pound UFC fanboy, you are the rule, not the exception dude, don't delude yourself.

You don't punch hard enough to break anything. You are hardly big enough to be called a grown man.

It's not magic that makes me tougher, just physics dude.

So, because of your weight, you are able to get punched in the fucking head more effectively than someone else? Because that's really the only point i mentioned. Not that i can hit as hard as someone in comparable shape but 45 lbs heavier than me, not that size doesn't matter in a brawl. Merely that getting hit in the face by someone who has upper body strength leads to broken bones and if, as you stated, you get hit in the face 2-3 times while trying to get in a dominant position it is very likely you are going to get bones in your face broken.
Your orbital bone doesn't get magically reinforced as you bulk up. It will shatter the same as anyone else's. Hence, your post about being able to shrug off hits in the face from anyone is stupid.
That was the entirety of the content of my post. That being large doesn't make you magically able to be hit in the face.

Also, at 175, i'm in great shape. I run a 2 mile in 12:40, can crank out 80 situps in 2 minutes and about the same in pushups. Do i think i could take you in a fight? If everything you've said about your background, level of physical fitness and size is true, no probably not, they have weight classes for a reason as you pointed out. Of course, you're probably full of shit, most people on the internet are.
At the end of the day though, I've killed men in 2 countries, you've pretended to do my job in xbox. You really aren't going to make me feel emasculated over the internet bro.

[slicknickns]

Learn a good jab and practice it to perfection
Learn a good wrestling sprawl and practice it to perfection
Learn how to do a single and double leg take down and practice it to perfection

[r.bonesmith]

Originally Posted by p6867

So, because of your weight, you are able to get punched in the fucking head more effectively than someone else? Because that's really the only point i mentioned. Not that i can hit as hard as someone in comparable shape but 45 lbs heavier than me, not that size doesn't matter in a brawl. Merely that getting hit in the face by someone who has upper body strength leads to broken bones and if, as you stated, you get hit in the face 2-3 times while trying to get in a dominant position it is very likely you are going to get bones in your face broken.
Your orbital bone doesn't get magically reinforced as you bulk up. It will shatter the same as anyone else's. Hence, your post about being able to shrug off hits in the face from anyone is stupid.
That was the entirety of the content of my post. That being large doesn't make you magically able to be hit in the face.

Also, at 175, i'm in great shape. I run a 2 mile in 12:40, can crank out 80 situps in 2 minutes and about the same in pushups. Do i think i could take you in a fight? If everything you've said about your background, level of physical fitness and size is true, no probably not, they have weight classes for a reason as you pointed out. Of course, you're probably full of shit, most people on the internet are.
At the end of the day though, I've killed men in 2 countries, you've pretended to do my job in xbox. You really aren't going to make me feel emasculated over the internet bro.

Holy fuck, 80 sit ups, 80 push ups, don't hurt yourself bro. Can't keep a 10 mile an hour pace for 12 minutes now can we?

Weak and apparently dumb enough to get shot at for minimum wage.

[r.bonesmith]

I've been rocked to the face before dude. I have, indeed, lost fights. I tend to fight a lot with my mouth, but losing is a rare occasion and it only happened once. He was my size, 215lbs, it was in a ring, no padding, and he rocked me 5 or 6 times right side of my face. I got body blows but never got a hit to the head on him. Eventually my guard dropped, woozy from being hit so much, and I took a straight knee to the face, which I'm surprised didn't break anything.

I have been rocked by stronger bigger people than you. He was a boxer, he hit me more than once, solid, and nothing broke.

You won't break my face with 2 or 3 hits bro. You probably break anyones face at all. You're not Cro Cop, you're a pussy with a gun.

I'm not saying I'm better at being hit in the face because I'm bigger. I'm saying your too fucking small for anyone to worry about getting hit in the face by your fist.

[slicknickns]

Originally Posted by r.bonesmith

Holy fuck, 80 sit ups, 80 push ups, don't hurt yourself bro. Can't keep a 10 mile an hour pace for 12 minutes now can we?

Weak and apparently dumb enough to get shot at for minimum wage.

You stupid fuckin' piece of shit; and to think you claim Israel as your location

[slicknickns]

Originally Posted by Das Troll

My first post in a long time didn't go so well so I decided to switch gears a bit. This next post will be my opinion on various martial arts I've taken in my time as a mixed martial artist.

Nah, dude you're cool, you always seem to mean well

[Das Troll]

Originally Posted by Jive Talka

Also, what are some good ways to prepare for the training I'll be doing? I've recently taken up running and shadow boxing again. Any other tips?

I would say just let the class get you in shape and don't worry about it. But if you want to get into shape anyway and get some endurance, go swim laps and do hill sprints. Works for me.

The most important thing I've learned when taking Judo was the break fall. 10 or 15 throws into class you start to feel it in your bones. If you don't learn how to break fall well enough you wont last very long in Judo.

Originally Posted by Metacarpal

opinions on jeet kun do?

I've never actually taken any JKD but the theory is sound. The art seems like just an early version of modern day mma. The only bad side I saw to JKD was it's lack of ground fighting. Bruce Lee thought that if you went to the ground you've already lost. Well BJJ and wrestling shows us that's just not true. If Bruce Lee was alive today would he still think that? I doubt it. If anything Bruce Lee was a realist and he realized what worked and what didn't.

Originally Posted by rabbitweed

That has not been my experience at all.

Watch some internet fights. Most of the time it's just two dudes hugging on the ground until one gets a lucky shot in.

[Jesus "Fuck Lepers" Christ]

Originally Posted by Das Troll

I've never actually taken any JKD but the theory is sound. The art seems like just an early version of modern day mma. The only bad side I saw to JKD was it's lack of ground fighting. Bruce Lee thought that if you went to the ground you've already lost. Well BJJ and wrestling shows us that's just not true. If Bruce Lee was alive today would he still think that? I doubt it. If anything Bruce Lee was a realist and he realized what worked and what didn't.

The four ranges of combat
Kicking
Punching
Trapping
Grappling
Jeet Kune Do students train in each of these ranges equally. According to Lee, this range of training serves to differentiate JKD from other martial arts. Lee stated that most but not all traditional martial systems specialize in training at one or two ranges. Bruce Lee's theories have been especially influential and substantiated in the field of Mixed Martial Arts, as the MMA Phases of Combat are essentially the same concept as the JKD combat ranges. As a historical note, the ranges in JKD have evolved over time. Initially the ranges were categorized as short or close, medium, and long range.[6] These terms proved ambiguous and eventually evolved into their more descriptive forms although there may still be others who prefer the three categories.

[King Owl]

Boxing is not a martial art. That is all.

[944]

Originally Posted by r.bonesmith

Do you live in some magical world? Do the laws of physics not exist on planet p6867? Size matters dude, it matters a lot. Impulse (how hard something is hit) is determined by the speed with which something is hit multiplied by the mass of whatever hit it. Basic physics.

The faster you move, the bigger you are, the harder you hit.

You don't hit with your fist, you hit with your whole body. The bigger you are, the harder you hit.

I've been hit by a lot of people, it hurts, it sucks every time. It doesn't matter if the dude is only 165 pounds.

And at 175 pounds you are a lightweight dude, a complete weakling. Unless you are a master, unless you have been training for years you have no hope in a fight against me or anyone of comparable mass who is moderately in shape. Don't try, it will end badly for you.

Do you think they have weight classes just because? You think a welterweight could take on a cruiser weight? Even the UFC has weight classes dude. Wrestling has weight classes. Boxing has weight classes. Any martial art that isn't strictly for fencing or sparring purposes, like tae kwon do, kendo, karate, has a weight class.

The only reason you are saying this shit is because you are small and don't like to think that pretty much anyone could kick your ass.

And don't give me that "I'm fast" bullshit. Our nerves run for roughly the same length and since the speed of an electrical impulse is constant, you really don't have faster reflexes.

But my muscles are bigger and I have more weight behind them. Size matters. Any girl will tell you that.

You think women fuck buff as fuck alphas for no reason? Fuck no, they want big dudes who stomp anyone who tries to rape them and steal their sisters/food/whatever it is they don't want stolen. They want some fucker who can end shit when it starts. Girls don't date small guys for a reason dude. Small guys get stomped.

You ever see a car accident between a pick up and a sedan? Notice how the pickup has a bent bumper but the sedan is totaled?

you ever see a 600 pound black bear take on an 800 pound brown bear?

Bob Sapp and Cro Cop are the exception not rule. You're a 175 pound UFC fanboy, you are the rule, not the exception dude, don't delude yourself.

You don't punch hard enough to break anything. You are hardly big enough to be called a grown man.

It's not magic that makes me tougher, just physics dude.

E=MC^2..... Your size argument is now disproved.


And WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! 220lbs!!!!!! Dude you're a fucking giant!!!!!!It's SOOOOOOO rare to see a dude that's that big:facepa lm::facepa lm::facepa lm:

[Jive Talka]

Originally Posted by King Owl

Boxing is not a martial art. That is all.

[Das Troll]

Originally Posted by Metacarpal

The four ranges of combat
Kicking
Punching
Trapping
Grappling
Jeet Kune Do students train in each of these ranges equally. According to Lee, this range of training serves to differentiate JKD from other martial arts. Lee stated that most but not all traditional martial systems specialize in training at one or two ranges. Bruce Lee's theories have been especially influential and substantiated in the field of Mixed Martial Arts, as the MMA Phases of Combat are essentially the same concept as the JKD combat ranges. As a historical note, the ranges in JKD have evolved over time. Initially the ranges were categorized as short or close, medium, and long range.[6] These terms proved ambiguous and eventually evolved into their more descriptive forms although there may still be others who prefer the three categories.

I used to be big into Bruce Lee and the stuff I read always had him looking down on grappling as a last resort. Who knows, maybe he even changed his view on it before he died.

[rabbitweed]

Originally Posted by Das Troll

Watch some internet fights. Most of the time it's just two dudes hugging on the ground until one gets a lucky shot in.

Instead of watching internet fights, I might just go by my own real life experience

[Painzstake]

Originally Posted by STD

Personally I hate martial arts because their fancy moves are nearly totally irrelevant in real life. I talk from experiences, I get drunk and get in several street fights per week. No formal combat training, but I've got strength, experience, and a few good moves that rarely let me down.

Until you come up against someone who is trained .

Originally Posted by STD

I more meant that anybody who explicitly sticks to just one martial art is not making a very smart choice.

Take what works and discard the rest. I think Bruce Lee said that and he was fucking sexy, so he must be right.

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10000 times." -Bruce Lee

Originally Posted by 944

*Waits for argument about who badass/shitty Krav is*

I've been doing BJJ for ages now, used to do judo but my next MA is defintly going to be Krav maga, not one of those mc dojo's I'm going to find some insane Israeli guy/girl to teach it. For all intensive purposes If you were to put any martial artist in a street fight Krav would come out on top. Now before you all go haywire with the 'my martial art is best' BS Krav trains solely for street fights.

Originally Posted by r.bonesmith

Boxers throw the hardest punches and are the people I would most not want to fuck with. Best in a fight hands down. Short shelf life though. When was the last time you saw an old boxer? They push themselves hard when young and it shows.

Boxers have hardest punches I'll give you that, best in a fight no way. The have 0 ground game short reach and only use 2 out of 8 weapons. Best stand up fighters at the top levels of their respective systems I'd say Muay Thai, Kyokushin and Krav Maga.

Originally Posted by r.bonesmith

Jiu Jitsu is about controlling the opponent. This is great is you are a bigger guy, allows you to manhandle people. I'm 220 and I never have to worry about getting hit because, frankly, no one is big enough to be able to hit me and do much damage, so sure they hit me once or twice but never three times because by then I have picked them up, thrown them down, and I'm on top of them with a submission hold.

Your 100kg , everyone KO's the same. Weight has nothing to do with your ability to stop KO's magically, a properly executed head kick WILL bring you down. So in two hits? feign left jab then right head kick .

Originally Posted by r.bonesmith

Of all the martial arts I can think of boxing is the only one that trains you to knock someone out

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Originally Posted by r.bonesmith

The kids I trained with annoyed me and it was apparent that they had never trained in anything before. They discovered fighting is easy and thought they could take on anyone. I think they were surprised when I started and could easily kick everyones ass(hence shit gym) but the teachers who both had been training for years. The old practitioners turn it into a practical art form and they are good at it. I have a lot of respect for them.

Your fighting children how hard can it be? your most likely at a shit gym fighting people who are 10-20kg lighter than you and all your doing is using strength with 0 technique to speak of. Undoubtedly you will get no where, thanks for playing.

Originally Posted by r.bonesmith

I won't say any style is better than the rest. You get out of something what you put into something. I have met very commited people from many different schools, and none of them are people I would like to fight. I have also met complete fuck offs from many different schools who are all bark, no bite.

You seem to like boxing a lot

Originally Posted by Rolf

A martial art only has the capacity to be as good as the martial art's practitioner, proclaims Rolf.

Word of the wise.


"Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting," quotes Rolf.[/quote]
Sun Tzu, the art of war.

Originally Posted by r.bonesmith

At 175 pounds you are a lightweight dude, a complete weakling. Unless you are a master, unless you have been training for years you have no hope in a fight against me or anyone of comparable mass who is moderately in shape. Don't try, it will end badly for you.

80Kg or 175lbs is the bodies natural fighting weight. Being at 220lbs yourself your either horrendously fat or ripped either way you will gas out 5 minutes into a fight every time.

Originally Posted by r.bonesmith

And don't give me that "I'm fast" bullshit. Our nerves run for roughly the same length and since the speed of an electrical impulse is constant, you really don't have faster reflexes.

Yes! why yes you are right it is physics hence something that has more weight accelerates at a slower pace. Also whilst mostly what you said about nerves is true. Faster reflexes occur from getting more efficient nerve impulses, the speed of the electricity is constant under normal conditions, not when it has constant drains all along it's path. The process of increasing reflexes comes by the addition of nerve fibers for the electricity to travel on.

Originally Posted by r.bonesmith

You don't punch hard enough to break anything. You are hardly big enough to be called a grown man.

At 80-85kg's your at an optimal balance between size and strength he'd have the potential to out strike you easily.

Originally Posted by r.bonesmith

It's not magic that makes me tougher, just physics dude.

[Das Troll]

I'll try and write a bit about Judo but my experience in it is limited. I only recently started taking Judo and it is much like wrestling. In fact they have a bunch of the same moves except different names. Wrestling in a shirtless fight would be more useful as it's primarily done with a onesie or shirtless. Judo I would use in a clinch situation. The art has quite a few nasty moves that you have to really be careful about doing in a street fight. While one would be wary about shooting in on a guy on the street, Judo practitioners will just toss you standing still. I would take this art if they threw in a decent amount of no gi throws.

Kali is something I do off and on. It isn't really useful in the MMA sense except with footwork. Kali's basic footwork is this /\/\/\/\. In WHACK WHACK out with lots of side to side movement. In a street fight this is a wonderful thing to have in your bag of tricks. There are few things in this world more available than a club. Tree branches, pool cue's, mop handles ect ect. And you can easily switch over to a knife since that's what it was originally made for. Be warned though, some guy attacks you and you go through a form he will be dead within a minute. Much of the attacks are arterial slashes and it circles around to the back of the person. So by the time you're finished with the kata or move you've done cut the guy about 5 or 6 times and he's bleeding out with a quickness. A judge will not look kindly upon this and you will probably get jail time even if it was self defense.

I've also started with fencing. This is relatively useless in a street fight but it does have it's uses in a MMA setting. No one controls the forward backward motion like a fencer and you can think of your fencing hand as a jab. Other than that, it's pretty pointless unless you plan on carrying around a sword cane.

Kung fu or Gong fu which ever you want to call it... Sigh this one always gets me a ton of flak. Most people that argue for KF are KF fanboys who don't know shit about fighting. They say foolish things like IF KUNG FU WAS IN UFC THEN THEY WOULD KILL THE OTHER GUYS THATS WHY ITS NOT IN UFC. This is false. There are a few hard core KF guys still around and even they say the current state of things is bad. A lot of them believe that Wushu is horse shit and nothing more than a dance which I'm inclined to agree with. Some KF stuff is worth using in other arts that work out better like some Wing Chun hand trapping. Things like monkey KF or drunken boxing is a waste of movement and energy. Want to take KF? Be my guest but don't expect to be some sort of Iron Monkey bad ass. I doubt you would find any real KF users in the whole USA. Real KF users are old, cranky assholes who use technique more than anything else. Anyone who's trying to teach you how to throw your CHI is selling something and should be avoided.

That's it for now.

[The Greek]

I stopped reading the OP after he claimed that boxing is a martial art.

Boxing is a sport. Go ask any boxing coach or pro boxer. Its a sport. End of issue. Martial arts don't train within a range of rules like boxing. Its not even close to the same thing.

Ya, boxing might help you in an actual fight but that doesn't make it a martial art. Being able to swing a baseball bat really well might be handy in a street fight too but that doesn't make baseball a martial art.

Given that the OP didn't know that, I doubt he has anything intellectual to say about any of the martial arts, seeing as how he couldn't even define the term.