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[Bukowski]

So basically I'm skinny as shit, have bad hair and need to become a better man.

Not some fag in a CK advert. Just bulk up, look smart and maybe get into Krav Maga or something.

So Zoklet - I need advice.

Basics:

I'm 6ft and have a hell of a metabolism. Fat ain't the issue. I could guzzle down milkshakes all month, take a stroll in the park and any minuscule weight gained will melt off like butter on a hot knife.

This also makes gaining weight an issue (muscle that is). Do I need to eat more protein?

For workout I'm thinking of a more 'natural' regime. I've read Convict Conditioning by Paul Wade and really like what I see. So I plan on following that book through the different stages for the next 6 months or so and see where it takes me.

As for cardio, well like I said I don't plan on much. I cycle 3-4 hours per week for work (I have to) so that's me in terms or cardio. Like I said I wanna build muscle and size in general.

Any ideas? I'll post a pic of myself tomorrow sometime.

Basically my body type is skinny but I have a frame that could hold a good bit of muscle.

Any advice and encouragement would be much appreciated!

[ This thread will be updated by myself every week or so like a blog after the initial discussion or whatever... I like to keep track of my personal projects!]

[Beavis]

I heard Crack is a great way to stay active and skinny

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I don't know, Butt-Head. That is a lot of money. Maybe if we close our eyes and pretend he's a chick.

[Painzstake]

Firstly protein isn't the answer to gaining muscle... It's just a fad people are going though and being suckered in by marketing departments. That isn't to say you don't need protein but as long as you eat healthy, don't eat anything processed (it's easier than you think) you'll put on muscle.

if your after good body exercises do this

Rudy Reyes Workout - Body Weight Training - YouTube

Rudy Reyes Workout - Body Weight Training - YouTube
Video: click to display

Me personally I do all the advanced ones in sets of 10, 9 times each along with some dumbbells. Do that and you'll be ripped in no time.

Also riding to work isn't a cardio exercise, It's no way near intense enough, especially at only 3-4 hours a week. But as you said you don't want cardio (don't see why you wouldn't... it complements muscle growth as you get fatigued less)

In general gaining muscle is about how far your willing to push your body. If you go until your arms give out, or you quite literally can't complete a rep you'll put on muscle. Then when you can't do more take 5 minute break and do another few sets.

[Average Fuckin Joe]

Originally Posted by Bukowski

I'm 6ft and have a hell of a metabolism.

I thought I was the only one! lol
I definitely know how you feel dude.
I have definitely filled out & gained more mass all around tho.
In the summer time, I have no problems picking up chicks at the beach. On my looks alone.

This is my diet, which seems to be working, for the year Ive been on it.
Well, we're not exactly going to be dieting....more like, just eating more of what youre body needs, if youre anything like me, and it sounds like you are.

Fats:
Eat anything with a high fat content, so your metabolism chews on that, instead of you. Also for fast energy. Like Bacon, which is awesome. and fried chicken.

Protein:
Either from meat or protein shakes...like from GNC.

Carbs:
Like breads, and not that shitty white bread....Im talkin about hearty whole grain type breads, and pasta. Pastas definitely good. This is for the use similar to Fats, but longer lasting energy.


Laugh:
At all the fat people, glaring at you, while youre stuffing your face & looking good.


I also work out here and there, as well. Just remember though, the more you work out, the more youre going to have to eat afterwards.

[Orpheus]

Eats loads and lift big. 5x5 stronglifts is good for beginners

[helliotion]

I'd say eat a higher fat paleo diet. Perhaps add in a some grains like oatmeal but try to stay away from eating bread or other wheat products and of the grains allowed do not eat much of them. Also, heavy weight and lower rep. Explosive workouts.

[rabbitweed]

if you are younger, say early 20s or less, be careful about eating junk food. Loads of my old high school friends are starting to really get flabby now, whereas before they could stay skinny as a beanpole even while eating shit food.

[Bukowski]

All right, so it's been like what? A week? Here's my progress.

Been busy as all hell over the holidays so working out has been at a minimum. I'm gonna get on that shit in the new year when my house isn't so busy.

Eating more has been tough too. I'm in such a habit of only eating when I'm starving that I find it difficult to remember to eat! lol Trying to eat more meats and fatty foots (good ones!).

I'll post back in a week with my progress.

[Average Fuckin Joe]

Dont be discouraged if it takes more than a week, because of your metabolism. Just keep at it, and it'll show.

[Bukowski]

Originally Posted by Average Fuckin Joe

Dont be discouraged if it takes more than a week, because of your metabolism. Just keep at it, and it'll show.

Thanks man!

I wont - I just need to get into the habit of eating lots and doing high intensity workouts!

I'm thinking I'm gonna update this thread daily to keep focused.

[Bukowski]

Results so far:

Well, there are none really.

Shit I'm man enough to admit that I need help - big time. I've been eating more than usual and have been working out 4 times a week and I cant really notice any improvement other than a slight gain in strength (possibly just getting used to exercising!!).

Tips anyone?

Also what the hell he's a picture of my scrawny ass so you can get an idea of what I'm trying to build on.



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[Average Fuckin Joe]

Dude, I never noticed a difference in myself either, but others, like co-workers, were coming over to me saying "Dude, You're getting buff!!" I would just reply with "Shut up... " me thinking they were being an asshole, but they'de say "No, Im serious." and I'd just give them a weird look, because I myself didnt notice it, until something like a month and a half, down the road.

Its funny though, because neighbors started randomly coming over asking me to help them move stuff, LOL.

[Ethan]

If you divide your weight lifting routine into 5 different muscle groups, you can work out every day while still giving muscles 4 days to recover.

Protein before workout, carbs after.

Whey protein packs more of a punch, but (and my numbers may be a little off) whey protein is only active in the body for a couple of hours. Casin protein (milk protein) is active for 5 to 6 hours. Therefore, whey protein about an hour before a workout will supply your body with readily available protein, and drinking milk afterwards will sustain the post-workout muscle repair for several hours.

Exercise your abdomen and lower back, you need a strong core to support your body. It also assists in control of your breath, which allows you to conserve energy and more fully oxygenate your body.

20 minutes accelerated heart rate minimum to make a difference in your heart health, which means if you sustain a fast heart rate during weight lifting, you'll be getting cardio at the same time. If you get dizzy, you're pushing yourself too hard.

Stay hydrated. If you're thirsty, you're already dehydrated.

Rest well, eat well, or your exercise is almost a waste.

Take long strides as you walk. You'll probably notice tension in your calves and pelvis. Walk it off for better balance and better orgasms.

[HLC]

You probably don't need to micro-manage your body.
Taking in some protein, like 20 grams, before you work out and then the same 30 minutes post work-out, will maybe give you the edge.
But, just getting to the gym on a consistent basis will be rewarding enough, without questionable tiny rewards of additional protein.

[coolguy420]

Originally Posted by Bukowski

Results so far:

Well, there are none really.

Shit I'm man enough to admit that I need help - big time. I've been eating more than usual and have been working out 4 times a week and I cant really notice any improvement other than a slight gain in strength (possibly just getting used to exercising!!).

Tips anyone?

Also what the hell he's a picture of my scrawny ass so you can get an idea of what I'm trying to build on.



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[Average Fuckin Joe]

Originally Posted by HLC

You probably don't need to micro-manage your body.
Taking in some protein, like 20 grams, before you work out and then the same 30 minutes post work-out, will maybe give you the edge.
But, just getting to the gym on a consistent basis will be rewarding enough, without questionable tiny rewards of additional protein.

Its been said, that to accomplish quick gains, one has to ingest 2 grams of protein for every 1lb. of body weight.

OP...
From 1st hand experience,
That is soooo much easier SAID than actually done.

[coolguy420]

Originally Posted by Average Fuckin Joe

Its been said, that to accomplish quick gains, one has to ingest 2 grams of protein for every 1lb. of body weight.

that's a bit excessive. a common guideline that i hear frequently is 1g protein per kg of body weight, but i probably associate with smarter people so it wouldn't surprise me if you've never heard this more accurate recommendation.

[Bukowski]

So update for the 14th January

What I ate:

A LOT! Woke up and had a big ass bowl of oats. About an hour later I wolfed down 0.75L of a shake with two scoops of whey, a banana and full fat milk in there. For lunch I had two boiled eggs, another two pints of milk. Got to work and ate 20g of nuts while chilling, doing fuck all. Then on my break I had 120g of cashew nuts, 1L of milk and an apple. Got home at midnight and fell asleep

That was quite a lot for me to eat in a day but it's still not enough. I want to be eating double that in a few days once my body stops gagging and trying to projectile what I've just forced down my throat.

What I did:

Yesterday was a rest day so didn't exercise except for cycling to and from work (half hour all together).

Will update today when I get home from work tonight at midnight again

Later!

[Average Fuckin Joe]

Dont keep snacking through out the day...I keeps your metabolism going, which is bad.
Its why fat people are told to snack on healthy little things here and there through the day...because it will keep their metabolism (or lack their of, lol) going.

You gotta eat large quantities and then stop.

Like for example:
Large breaksfast. Nothing in between. Large lunch. Nothing in between. Large Dinner.

[Amie]

Originally Posted by Bukowski

What I ate:

A LOT! Woke up and had a big ass bowl of oats. About an hour later I wolfed down 0.75L of a shake with two scoops of whey, a banana and full fat milk in there. For lunch I had two boiled eggs, another two pints of milk. Got to work and ate 20g of nuts while chilling, doing fuck all. Then on my break I had 120g of cashew nuts, 1L of milk and an apple. Got home at midnight and fell asleep

This shit up there ^^^^^ is what your problem is. Like so many people today, you have zero understanding of the concept of eating healthy.

Let me summarise:
Breakfast: a big ass-bowl of oats.
Snack: three glasses of milkshake
Lunch: two boiled eggs. Oh, and you drank a lot of milk.
Snacking: a packet of nuts, more milk and an apple.

The problem with your breakfast: It's quite OK, but adding some fruits will make it even more OK.

The problem with your lunch: You only ate one third of a meal. There's a carb group and a vegetable group missing. You need to add something like pasta / rice / potatoes or if you really don't want to, twice the ammount of veggies you'd eat at a normal meal. Beans, peas, carrots, tomatoes, peppers, mushrooms ... fruits are OK too.

The problem with your dinner: You didn't have one.

You're complaining about being skinny, but you eat only two meals a day, of which one is barely a meal. You compensate for the lack of calories by drinking a shitload of milk (too much IMO). Thus, what your body does is burn all the protein you ate, because it has nothing else to burn.

You're young, your body is constantly burning energy. Here's what you need to do to give it the energy to burn and the necessary nutritients to grow:

Breakfast: Carbs. Breakfast should be your biggest carb hit because it is much harder to digest than protein and fats, so you will have trouble sleeping if you heat a shitton of carbs at night.

Lunch: Hot meal. A decent piece of meat, a shitload of vegetables and a nice portion of rice / pasta / potatoes. If a hot meal is not possible, make yourself a decent sandwich with cheese / ham and some veggies and add some bacon and / or eggs. Whole wheat bread.

Dinner: Another hot meal, like lunch. Less carbs, more meat, same shitload of veggies.

Alternate between lean and fat meat. Always steak is bad, always bacon is just as bad. Also, less milk. No wonder you're almost puking, you're drinking too much milk! Eat, dude, eat! don't drink that much, eat! A litre of milk a day is OK if you're working out, more is too much. Get more protein from fish, meat and eggs.

Alternate what you eat. Learn how to cook basic stuff, and how to make it taste good. The basics is enough, you don't need to become a chef, but if you like what you eat and you can make it yourself you'll eat more for less money.

So, to sum it up: Your body needs fuel and nutritients. You're not giving it the necessary fuel ATM so it's burning all the nutritients. And you're drinking so much milk it's almost making you puke.

It's true that eating more protein will help you build muscle, but that is if and only if you add that protein to a healthy balanced diet which is already providing you with all the fuel and nutritients you need in a day. The protein goes on top of a normal , healthy diet, not in place of a normal diet. Oh, and you really don't need any supplementary protein or anything else unless you're into competitive bodybuilding. What you need is three big, healthy, diverse meals a day. Eat a lot, but eat healthy.

[Bukowski]

Originally Posted by Amie

This shit up there ^^^^^ is what your problem is. Like so many people today, you have zero understanding of the concept of eating healthy.

Let me summarise:
Breakfast: a big ass-bowl of oats.
Snack: three glasses of milkshake
Lunch: two boiled eggs. Oh, and you drank a lot of milk.
Snacking: a packet of nuts, more milk and an apple.

The problem with your breakfast: It's quite OK, but adding some fruits will make it even more OK.

The problem with your lunch: You only ate one third of a meal. There's a carb group and a vegetable group missing. You need to add something like pasta / rice / potatoes or if you really don't want to, twice the ammount of veggies you'd eat at a normal meal. Beans, peas, carrots, tomatoes, peppers, mushrooms ... fruits are OK too.

The problem with your dinner: You didn't have one.

You're complaining about being skinny, but you eat only two meals a day, of which one is barely a meal. You compensate for the lack of calories by drinking a shitload of milk (too much IMO). Thus, what your body does is burn all the protein you ate, because it has nothing else to burn.

You're young, your body is constantly burning energy. Here's what you need to do to give it the energy to burn and the necessary nutritients to grow:

Breakfast: Carbs. Breakfast should be your biggest carb hit because it is much harder to digest than protein and fats, so you will have trouble sleeping if you heat a shitton of carbs at night.

Lunch: Hot meal. A decent piece of meat, a shitload of vegetables and a nice portion of rice / pasta / potatoes. If a hot meal is not possible, make yourself a decent sandwich with cheese / ham and some veggies and add some bacon and / or eggs. Whole wheat bread.

Dinner: Another hot meal, like lunch. Less carbs, more meat, same shitload of veggies.

Alternate between lean and fat meat. Always steak is bad, always bacon is just as bad. Also, less milk. No wonder you're almost puking, you're drinking too much milk! Eat, dude, eat! don't drink that much, eat! A litre of milk a day is OK if you're working out, more is too much. Get more protein from fish, meat and eggs.

Alternate what you eat. Learn how to cook basic stuff, and how to make it taste good. The basics is enough, you don't need to become a chef, but if you like what you eat and you can make it yourself you'll eat more for less money.

So, to sum it up: Your body needs fuel and nutritients. You're not giving it the necessary fuel ATM so it's burning all the nutritients. And you're drinking so much milk it's almost making you puke.

It's true that eating more protein will help you build muscle, but that is if and only if you add that protein to a healthy balanced diet which is already providing you with all the fuel and nutritients you need in a day. The protein goes on top of a normal , healthy diet, not in place of a normal diet. Oh, and you really don't need any supplementary protein or anything else unless you're into competitive bodybuilding. What you need is three big, healthy, diverse meals a day. Eat a lot, but eat healthy.

Thanks for all that advice!

I've been told to drink a gallon of milk a day to gain mass. It;s called GOMAD which is why I'm drinking so much. I wouldn't normally chug it like that.

As for the no dinner thing - I work shift work and there just wasn't a time to get it in there yesterday. But I normally do. Also those eggs I had were polished off with three slices of soda bread...

I just has a big ass beef dinner with plenty of veg and potatoes

I'll try to get more veg into me.

[Amie]

Originally Posted by Bukowski

Thanks for all that advice!

I've been told to drink a gallon of milk a day to gain mass. It;s called GOMAD which is why I'm drinking so much. I wouldn't normally chug it like that.

As for the no dinner thing - I work shift work and there just wasn't a time to get it in there yesterday. But I normally do. Also those eggs I had were polished off with three slices of soda bread...

I just has a big ass beef dinner with plenty of veg and potatoes

I'll try to get more veg into me.

I've heard of GOMAD before. http://stronglifts.com/gomad-milk-sq...n-gain-weight/
As the link shows, to do the GOMAd thing properly you need to combine it with eating every three hours and a heavy, regular exercise program.

Now, you've started one month ago with the goal to gain muscle (and I suppose you also want to gain strenght and want to be more healthy). Up to now, you have not seen any differences and you're wondering what you're doing wrong.

Dude, it's normal not to see any difference after one month.

In fitness, there are tons of theories, special techniques, elite workout schemes, superhuman diets and one-exercise-to-rule-them-all guru's. Here's the truth, which is often hard to remember in a world full of people stating the opposite: it's all bullshit.

Improving your physical fitness comes down to two things: diet and exercise.

I'm going to repeat that, and get these two words burned into your brain: diet and exercise. You need to eat healthy and exercise regularly. I haven't been read most of this thread, but here's my advice to you, generally: pick a workout routine, and stick to it. Preferably one which works out your whole body and includes cardio (not very hard, 5 or 6 simple exercises will gove you a full budy workout with cardio). Create a schedule, and stick to it. Eat healthy, every single day, and work out according to your schedule. There's tons of schedules for anything from bodyweight-only exercises to full gym exercise-machine only routines available on the internet, pick one and stick to it.

You will not see results in one month. You will see results in six months.

Diet and exercise. There are no magic fixes. Sure, GOMAD might be a good idea of you've been working out for a couple years and you've reached a plateau but want to gain more, but at the moment, you don't need it. Stay away from pills, needles, powders and all other magic fixes. Those are either extremely unhealthy or just unnecessary for a beginner. Professional bodybuilders need the extra protein of four whey shakes a day. You do not. All you need is patience.

There are no shortcuts. Diet and exercise. By summer, you will see a difference.

[chromelion]

You could try a specifically made plan from bodybuilding.com. I'm 16 so I use a teen female fat loss one, but here's one for 20+ musclebuilding http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/find...2039-male.html
(they have a teen version too)

It has videos, supplement guides, detailed meal plans for each day, recipes etc.
Only need email address to get access

Just a suggestion from my experience with the same site ^_^

[Bukowski]

I appreciate all the advice thus far guys - but I think I'm going to stick to my high intake diet at the minute and see how it goes. After another month if I havn't gained a few pounds I'll change tactics.

I'm working out and eating more. It's worth repeating that I have the metabolism of a champion race horse so I need to eat lots to see any difference.

Anyway: Update for 15/1/2012

Today I had a huge breakfast. 4 pork sausages, three eggs scrambled mixed with ham and some strips of bacon washed down with - MILK!

Lunch I had a shake with a banana blended in.

Dinner I had a good helping of beef with veg and potatoes.

Then In work tonight I had 1L of milk, 120g of cashew nuts and an apple.

Up until now I've been going at this half assed. I'm going for broke now and am giving it 2 months. If I start to notice some weight gain then I'm going to stick at it.

Any other tips welcome but I really want to stick on this bulky diet of protein and high cals at least for a month to get me off to a good start.

Cheers!

- Bukowski

[Average Fuckin Joe]

Originally Posted by Bukowski

I appreciate all the advice thus far guys - but I think I'm going to stick to my high intake diet at the minute and see how it goes. After another month if I havn't gained a few pounds I'll change tactics.

I'm working out and eating more. It's worth repeating that I have the metabolism of a champion race horse so I need to eat lots to see any difference.

Anyway: Update for 15/1/2012

Today I had a huge breakfast. 4 pork sausages, three eggs scrambled mixed with ham and some strips of bacon washed down with - MILK!

Lunch I had a shake with a banana blended in.

Dinner I had a good helping of beef with veg and potatoes.

Then In work tonight I had 1L of milk, 120g of cashew nuts and an apple.

Up until now I've been going at this half assed. I'm going for broke now and am giving it 2 months. If I start to notice some weight gain then I'm going to stick at it.

Any other tips welcome but I really want to stick on this bulky diet of protein and high cals at least for a month to get me off to a good start.

Cheers!

- Bukowski

And thats good, Im glad youre sticking to your current one.

Since it sounds like both of us, have the same psychotic metabolism.


My routine consisted of

I would have a 1100cal protein shake (1 serving) in the morning plus my coffee, lol
Then I would make myself a gallon of protein shake for lunch, with milk, which was probably around 2300cal (around two servings)
Plus, after work, I would go to McDonalds and order their Double Quarter pounder w/cheese Large meal, with two apple pies, then take my shower, do something for an hour, then go to bed.

But thats also because, I worked at a concrete plant, constantly lifting a minimum of 60lbs all the way up to 100lbs, 6 days a week, 10+ hrs a day.

My current job is no where near as physical as I'd like it to be, but I still eat alot. Mainly because its winter and your body burns more calories, just to keep itself warm.

[JeffreyH]

Forget protein shakes.

What you need is a gallon of milk a day. Easy as that!

On top of your normal meals, just add a gallon of milk. It's fairly easy to drink, do it every day for a month and you'll put on loads of good weight.

I have an even worse metabolism than you do, and thought it's absolutely impossible to gain weight, and then I went and put on 8 kilos in 2 months.

It really does work, as long as you keep it up - lift 3 times a week and drink a gallon EVERY SINGLE DAY, no excuses.

[Bukowski]

Update for 16th Jan 2012

Fucking woke up this morning late - had an exam at 10am so I had to gulp down what I could of a protein shake and run for a bus.

Did the exam. Passed I hope.

Grabbed this egg and sea-cress sandwich thing and a liter of milk after the exam. Was delish but had a tough time getting the milk down. Also my friends were like "Why the fuck you drinking a liter of milk" and I was all like "STFU and mind your own business ".

So anyways, went to Starbucks with my buddy and had a latte because they're sexy as all hell.

When I got home I threw around 13 chicken nugget strips things into the oven and gobbeled em up with a pint of milk. Had another shake too just to fill me up. Now I'm beat and gotta go to bed because I'm in work at 7am.

-- Bukowski

[Average Fuckin Joe]

Originally Posted by Bukowski

and I was all like "STFU and mind your own business ".

LOL... I know.

[Bukowski]

May as well do an update for this!

Been eating lots and working out as above. Main thing is that I'm still going!

I feel a little stronger but cant notice any change. Maybe in a week I'll throw up a picture and see.

Anyways, thanks for all the advice and support so far!

- Bukowski

[Marty McFly]

People who bitch about their metabolism are faggots. Me and my best mate over the past year have both had massive transformations. He went from 104kg to 74kg and I went from 59kg to 81kg (back down to 75kg). So were both on the opposite ends of the spectrum and beat our metabolisms. I can even post pics to prove this isn't bullshit.

I wanted to point out that you loom like shit dude. Terrible physique. Normally I'd be more supportive but you came looking for advice and people have given you some real quality advice and you just decide to stick to your regime that you admit doesn't work. You're a noob. Soak in everything people tell you like a sponge. GOMAD diet works, but if it's full fat milk you will pit on a lot of fat. As in even though you're skinny, you have no abs, thats because you're skinny fat. Listen to the advice people are giving and you'll gain good, lean mass.

I will make a diet plan up off the top of my head right now, and this is a rough idea of what you should be eating I you have the metabolism you say you do:


Breakfast: bowl of oats, fruit and a handful of almonds.
Snack: protein shake and an avocado
Lunch: a lean cut of steak or 2 chicken breasts, a large serving of whole grain pasta and an entire head of broccoli.
Snack: almonds, a few slices of turkey breast and a muesli bar
Dinner: a large serving of meat, small serving of carbs and a large serving of vegetables.
Snack (just before bed): turkey breast and a few spoon full of low fat cottage cheese.

Also right after your gym sesh have a protein shake. I used to think "waaah I have the fastest metabolism, I couldn't get fat if I tried!!" wrong. If you eat 20,000kj in a day, you'll get fatter.

If you can get bsn no xplode and cellmass they truly do work. I don't eat fish so I also take cod liver oil, a multi v, zma men's multi, vit e for skin, a natural test booster, spirulina, glucosamine and flax seed oil. It sounds like a lot, but it's just a way of covering the gaps in your ideal nutritional intake.

I have a mate who's probably the most ripped person I know, and he doesn't take any supps, but he has to control his eating to the point where it would no longer be enjoyable. He poaches his chicken for fucks sake!

I'm on my phone so excuse any autocorrect errors.

[rabbitweed]

Originally Posted by Marty McFly

People who bitch about their metabolism are faggots. Me and my best mate over the past year have both had massive transformations. He went from 104kg to 74kg and I went from 59kg to 81kg (back down to 75kg).

There's bitching about your metabolism and then there's realising you have an unusual one. One of the biggest things that's helped my weight loss along (not that it's been all that fast) is realising that I simply can (and should) eat less than other people.

I bet your fat friend probably figured this out as well.

[Marty McFly]

Originally Posted by rabbitweed

I bet your fat friend probably figured this out as well.

Actually, no. He dis this for a while and got down to 95. At times he'd even starve him self, but doing this will actually slow your metabolism down further and make it think you're in a time of scarce food, so "better pack on the pounds to be safe".

He just leads an active lifestyle and eats lots of small, protein rich foods. He drinks 8 egg whites in low fat milk between meals, eats huge amounts of tuna and turkey breast, snacks on almonds, 2 high protein no carb protein shakes a day, etc.

This is a person who when I started training with him refused to eat any vegetable other than potato. Used to eat 10 paddlepop ice creams a day and lived on pies, sausage rolls and cookies and cream chocolate bars. Best transformation ive ever seen.

[Irukanji]

Originally Posted by Marty McFly

This is a person who when I started training with him refused to eat any vegetable other than potato. Used to eat 10 paddlepop ice creams a day and lived on pies, sausage rolls and cookies and cream chocolate bars. Best transformation ive ever seen.

Just getting rid of them would've done it, lol. And the only vegetable he ate was potato? Its like...the most bland vegetable there is.

[Marty McFly]

Originally Posted by Irukanji

Just getting rid of them would've done it, lol. And the only vegetable he ate was potato? Its like...the most bland vegetable there is.

The ONLY fruits he'd ever eaten about 16 months ago was apple and banana. The ONLY vegetables were potatos, carrots and peas (and I'm not over exaggerating, he just ate shit/candy/junkfood). We've been mates since we were 9, but only when we became housemates did he pull his head in. It's because I was able to remind him constantly what to eat.

Completely reforming your diet isn't easily done over night. You'll always have little relapses. I sometimes find my self buying chocolate and other junk food just because it's habit. It takes years, but eventually you'll feel so much better for it. The hardest thing for me was finding an affordable way to do it. When I was on $85k a year, I just ate steak 3 times a day, any time I went past the shops I'd pop in and buy beef jerky or a protein bar, which are $5 each. Shit like that really adds up fast and it's just irresponsible with your money. I went to a Muay Thai camp in Thailand and while over there lost my plush job. So when I got back I had to figure out an affordable and sustainable way to keep up the diet. Beans, eggs, lentils, chicken, tuna, steak, low fat milk, cottage cheese, almonds, beef jerky, whey protein. There's a valid argument that if you have a carb rich diet, and too much protein (or just too much protein in general), the protein will just get wasted. If money is a problem, maybe take it easy on the protein, how ever I'd rather be giving my body more protein than it needs and wasting some, than not giving it enough.

Also I found the photos of me and my mate before and after. I can personally attest to diet making all the difference, because we'd both been going to the gym for many years, but we had no real results, we became conditioned and gained strength, but no real "transformation" like results. Changed our diets and the results soon followed.

- He's on the far right. I'm the weedy skinny dude next to him (that was me at my 'big' size before I ate properly)

- Him a month ago.

- Me when I was a scarily skinny 58kg.

- Me a few months ago at 78kg. I'm smaller now, but more toned (improved my diet even more by COMPLETELY eliminating sucrose from my diet).

I know I'm not some beacon of fitness, but I have made some obvious gains. I don't claim what I say is the only way, but it is the ONLY way I know that works for ME. Which means I can only give you advice that I know worked for me and hope it works for you. I hate people feeling limited by their metabolism. I did for over a decade and because of that I felt it was pointless to even try. It's awesome getting real results, and even more awesome are the reactions you get from the opposite sex. Good luck bro. Listen to the advice people give you hear.

[rabbitweed]

Originally Posted by Marty McFly

I hate people feeling limited by their metabolism. I did for over a decade and because of that I felt it was pointless to even try. It's awesome getting real results, and even more awesome are the reactions you get from the opposite sex. Good luck bro. Listen to the advice people give you hear.

Fair enough. I guess you meant the OP, and not me, but like I said before for me realising I have a slow metabolism has been a huge step. At first it was like "boo hoo my friends can eat loads of shitty food and look better than me" but now I see it positively now - I really don't have to eat much at all. It's fucking great really when you think about it.

You really look a lot better too. Good work. I have a pretty horrible before picture to post at some point, I'm 11kg down from it but I want another 10kg I think before I post an "after".

[Marty McFly]

Obviously we are on different ends of the metabolism spectrum so I can't fully appreciate how hard it is to lose weight rather than gain it, but I do know you can speed up your metabolism quite considerably by eating smaller meals more often.

Have you ever tried this?

[Malice]

Originally Posted by Marty McFly

- Me a few months ago at 78kg. I'm smaller now, but more toned (improved my diet even more by COMPLETELY eliminating sucrose from my diet).

Holy fuck you've aged! How old are you again? You look like you're 40.

[Marty McFly]

Originally Posted by Malice

Holy fuck you've aged! How old are you again? You look like you're 40.

Haha yeh I have aged. Working outdoors did it to me. But that photo makes it look excessive.

24 bruz.

[coolguy420]

Originally Posted by Marty McFly

At times he'd even starve him self, but doing this will actually slow your metabolism down further and make it think you're in a time of scarce food, so "better pack on the pounds to be safe".

wrong idiot

Originally Posted by Marty McFly

I do know you can speed up your metabolism quite considerably by eating smaller meals more often.

aaaaand wrong again you stupid faggot. please stop posting.

[Marty McFly]

Originally Posted by coolguy420

wrong idiot

Not really. If you have a slow metabolism and get in the habit of fasting then binging you will not maintain a healthy weight, but instead you'll gain weight. Consistent small meals are best.