Taking an attack dose of piracetam

[Zanick]

me too.

oxiracetam is next for me!

[Sir Cornwell]

While I was taking a couple of months off from using Pira daily, I continued to think about getting some other racier-tam, but just skipped right past those more expensive dealies and went to the most costly one: Noopept.

At almost $20/g it's good that it seems to be effective. Though it's supposed to take a while to really work. I looked on Erowid and it's only mentioned once in a report. I think Goog talked me into it with pics of the Russian OTC pack and some R. scientists paper on it's usefulness.

10mg/2x day

[iMagiNation]

^^yeah I want to check it out, too, but I'm wary of random russian drugs.

[Sir Cornwell]

The seller has good rep and (ha ha) I figure that 20mg/day is probably not too dangerous whatever it might be. I'll check again but the seller didn't say where it's made.

[Sir Cornwell]

I checked and the seller says his Noopept is US made. I guess? He has good rep, sells enthogens too. Most Noopept seems to be made in Russia or China. I'd much prefer strange white powders made in countries with good laws/inspection.

Though last week a major drug manufacturer in Quebec shut down so that they could conform to standards.

'Significant reduction in output'

The company said it was expecting "a significant reduction in output" and was halting production lines to upgrade operations after quality-control assessments by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration warned the factory fell short of FDA standards.

During inspections this summer, the U.S. regulator found the plant had failed to prevent contamination in some drugs and did not alert the agency quickly enough. However, no products were recalled.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/...-shortage.html

When a major company can get hassled (I don't know what independent experts would say about the FDA inspection) like this one can see that though standards are high in the West, not everyone is careful.

One can hope though. I hope it's a decent, clean America product and not some relabeled foreign shit. Not that there aren't good Chinese pharms.

[jjamchem]

That is true - most noopept is made in Russia and I doubt it is made in America. I think mine was from China or Russia? (not sure)
My experience with noopept was not too great. It gave me anxiety/panic attacks even at recommended doses. I wasn't able to find much substantial information on the substance or why it did give me anxiety attacks and sudden rages. It's sitting in my cabinet to say the least until I find out what the deal is with that situation .

Btw, Update on stack:

600mg Alpha GPC - Jarrow Formulas
4,800mg Neuro-Boost Piracetam - Smart Drugs for Thought
500mg~ Smart Powders - Oxiracetam (I was using 1,500mg~, but I was receiving slight headaches here and there in the beginning)

TR Day 13: My creativity and and innovative thinking skills are still enhanced, but I am receiving a higher level of clarity with the Oxi being in the mix now. I did try the Oxi without the Piracetam (When I was using 1500mg of Oxi alone) and wasn't getting the same results with them being together. I believe Oxiracetam and Piracetam are very similar and they work synergistically to enhance social and motor cognitive skills. The Alpha GPC is still in the stack because I believe it is producing enough Acetylcholine Levels for the racetams to reach higher effects. In the middle of last year I was using Choline Bitartrate to rid the "foggy" effects I was receiving from the Piracetam. Using Cholinergics with Racetams is not a myth, IT does benefit people in the process of using these supplements. It seems that Piracetam stimulates and improves the functions of the (ACh) receptors which are implicated in the memory processes. I found this information at www.smartdrugsforthought.com/what-is-piracetam and at wikipedia. I am considering the use of CDP Choline next for hopes of different results, although I am quite satisfied with the benefits I am already receiving from this supplement stack.

[5hadow12ogue]

Originally Posted by jjamchem

That is true - most noopept is made in Russia and I doubt it is made in America. I think mine was from China or Russia? (not sure)
My experience with noopept was not too great. It gave me anxiety/panic attacks even at recommended doses. I wasn't able to find much substantial information on the substance or why it did give me anxiety attacks and sudden rages. It's sitting in my cabinet to say the least until I find out what the deal is with that situation .

Btw, Update on stack:

600mg Alpha GPC - Jarrow Formulas
4,800mg Neuro-Boost Piracetam - Smart Drugs for Thought
500mg~ Smart Powders - Oxiracetam (I was using 1,500mg~, but I was receiving slight headaches here and there in the beginning)

TR Day 13: My creativity and and innovative thinking skills are still enhanced, but I am receiving a higher level of clarity with the Oxi being in the mix now. I did try the Oxi without the Piracetam (When I was using 1500mg of Oxi alone) and wasn't getting the same results with them being together. I believe Oxiracetam and Piracetam are very similar and they work synergistically to enhance social and motor cognitive skills. The Alpha GPC is still in the stack because I believe it is producing enough Acetylcholine Levels for the racetams to reach higher effects. In the middle of last year I was using Choline Bitartrate to rid the "foggy" effects I was receiving from the Piracetam. Using Cholinergics with Racetams is not a myth, IT does benefit people in the process of using these supplements. It seems that Piracetam stimulates and improves the functions of the (ACh) receptors which are implicated in the memory processes. I found this information at www.smartdrugsforthought.com/what-is-piracetam and at wikipedia. I am considering the use of CDP Choline next for hopes of different results, although I am quite satisfied with the benefits I am already receiving from this supplement stack.

Thanks for your very informative post! I looked over Smart Drugs for Thought, and noticed they had a research PDF available for download off their "Piracetam Research" page. It had a lot of detailed information about Piracetam and other Racetams!

How is the effects with Oxiracetam treating you? Were the headaches from your body just becoming adjusted to the Oxiracetam or do you think it was caused by lack of Choline? I've been considering adding either Oxiracetam or Aniracetam to my stack, just stuck inbetween the two.I've read that Aniracetam and Piracetam work very nicely together, considering Aniracetam is reported to increase your ability to "absorb new information". I know Piracetam has helped me with my memory recall, so I believe adding Aniracetam would help me with my studies further.

[jjamchem]

@5hadow12ogue

Thank you for your kind considerations and you're welcome. I apologize for returning a message to you so late, for I have been stuck in the chemistry books/journals. I have also glanced over the PDF myself. It states and has record of the recent test and trials with the Racetam family within the last decade. I found a lot of the information given in the PDF quite beneficial to those who are considering the use of racetams.

As for your question about my test trials with Oxiracetam, I do not feel it is much more different than intaking 9,600mg of Piracetam in one session. My dose of the Oxiracetam was at a steady 1,500mg twice a day with 4,000mg - 4,800mg of the Neuro Boost Piracetam. The brand of Oxi was from an Ebay supplier with quite the reputation - meaning he has substantial positive feedback. I do believe the Oxi was of quality, but again I believe it is not much more than taking 9,600mg of Piracetam.

Recently I have been experiencing much more of a synergistic effect with the use of Piracetam and Aniracetam. I'm intaking the same amount of Aniracetam as I did with Oxi (1,500mg). However, taking in too much Aniracetam (@3,000mg - 3,750mg) seems to give me a low/low-mild nausea effect. I do not receive these adverse effects when intaking 1,500mg though. Aniracetam has been shown to metabolize in vivo to 2-pyrrolidinone, which is suspected to enhance AMPA modulation in the hippocampus via interaction with CAMKII. I believe this Aniracetam enhances what has already been memorized with the human brain while Piracetam enhances the creativity and the sense to allow positive innovation when intaking essential knowledge and information. Piracetam is always my trusted favorite of the Racetam family, for it does enhance my cognitive functions and short-term memory. I personally use Piracetam for many other reasons. For example, it relieves my mild-anxiety complications along with social-anxiety interactions, for pre-work outs, and for meditation.

For studies, I would strongly recommend giving this stack a shot. It won't hurt I promise you my friend. And to answer your question about the headaches - I have not had any intake of any cholinergic source for 3 weeks and I have been fine. I believe the headaches were from my use of another supplement I would rather not discuss at the moment. It was a thermogenic stimulation to say the least and I was intaking way above the average doses of it.

[jjamchem]

I found more information about Aniracetam and it's effective usages when used with human beings instead of animals. The information provided was:

Aniracetam does not just improve scores on tests of learning and memory. It also affects many other variables. In patients with Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, and cerebral infarction, aniracetam reduces anxiety, depression, and the incidence of sleep disorders, and it has also been reported to improve vigilance. It is also very effective in treating post-stroke depression and sleep disorders.

Human studies have established that Aniracetam is a powerful cognitive enhancer. Study participants improved their scores on a number of intelligence and memory tests (Saletu, 1980, 1984).

Sources:
http://www.smartdrugsforthought.com/what-is-aniracetam

[Haiti's Space Agency]

when i was on piracetam at 3gs a day it made me very irritable dont know what you guys saiying it gives u mood lift talkin bout. eating grams of nasty powder suxed so i bot a little noot called noopept thats like a bazillion times more effective than piracetam and only 40mg doses a few times a day and its cheap as rizzo's mother

[Sir Cornwell]

I definitely feel noop right away, something that pira is much more vague about.

[kingOfCrash]

I think an attack dose of piracetam is unnecessary. I suggest taking a gram twice a day. It will be ineffective at first, but that will change. I've become attuned to piracetam. A gram used to not be effective for me, but now it is. But to be fair, I did attack dose. I would take 10 grams at a time for days. It mostly just made me foggy headed. Now a gram works for me.

[jjamchem]

I'd say start at moderate levels. I'm not sure if an attack dose is necessary personally speaking. For me Piracetam and Aniracetam both work well together for me in moderation. I even skip a day at times so I can keep the effects consistent.

Focus and Alertness Stack:

Piracetam - Neuro Boost - 800mg (4-5doses)
Aniracetam - Neuro Wave - 750mg (1-2 doses)

Source:
Smart Drugs for Thought

I feel that keeping the doses in moderation allow the effects to stay consistent in effects or potency.

Edit: I tend to throw in a source of caffeine when my days are hectic. Guarana Seed Extract is great and it is a source from the Rainforest in Brazil. Glad to post here and I hope this helps you.

[jjamchem]

I've been changing my doses and racetams lately.

I'm giving Neuro Vortex Pramiracetam and Alpha-GPC a test run for 2 weeks now. They both work well together to say the least of the effects .

I notice a that I am able to remember recent and memories from long ago with the usage of Pramiracetam alone. I receive slightly different effects than I do from mixing Piracetam and Aniracetam together. The effects on long term memory are significantly improved. I notice when I bring up memories when I was a child to a close relative and the response is "Your memory is bad a**" My apologies for the possible vulgar language there. Also I would like everyone to know that I have been using Aniracetam and Piracetam together for quite some time already. The effects are cleary noticeable in 30-40mins (typical racetam half life) I would say that Pramiracetam is fairly more potent than Piracetam or Aniracetam.

Current dosage:
1,200mg - Guarana Seed Extract - for caffeine
600mg - Neuro Vortex Pramiracetam
300mg - Jarrow's Formula Alpha Gpc

Honestly speaking - If any racetam user was to switch to Pramiracetam from Aniracetam or Piracetam, it would be adviseable to start with 600mg in the day or maybe twice a day. One dosage in the morning and one in the evening.

[BobaFett]

So I'm working on finishing my Nootropic Stack with aims of helping increase my memory, focus, but also to help with my social anxiety.

I'm currently taking Piracetam, Aniracetam, Pramiracetam, and CDP Choline. I'm wondering what else I could add to my stack in regards to helping with the anxiety? I'm already considering adding Sulbutiamine but I'm wondering if there is any other viable nootropics that could be utilized in this stack?

Thanks!

[reggie_love]

Piracetam greatly enhances my abilities.

Specifically, my ability to be flushed and have a headache.

[&Zenith]

Originally Posted by BobaFett

So I'm working on finishing my Nootropic Stack with aims of helping increase my memory, focus, but also to help with my social anxiety.

I'm currently taking Piracetam, Aniracetam, Pramiracetam, and CDP Choline. I'm wondering what else I could add to my stack in regards to helping with the anxiety? I'm already considering adding Sulbutiamine but I'm wondering if there is any other viable nootropics that could be utilized in this stack?

Thanks!

Phenylalanine? I like sulbutiamine as well.

[BobaFett]

Originally Posted by &Zenith

Phenylalanine? I like sulbutiamine as well.

Phenyalalanine?! Interesting name, I will check it out and see if I can utilize it. I'm leaning towards Sulbutiamine and L-Theanine primarily due to their reasonable cost and availability.

[kingOfCrash]

Originally Posted by BobaFett

So I'm working on finishing my Nootropic Stack with aims of helping increase my memory, focus, but also to help with my social anxiety.

I'm currently taking Piracetam, Aniracetam, Pramiracetam, and CDP Choline. I'm wondering what else I could add to my stack in regards to helping with the anxiety? I'm already considering adding Sulbutiamine but I'm wondering if there is any other viable nootropics that could be utilized in this stack?

Thanks!

L-Theanine. I find the CDP-choline increases my stress levels. Try Alpha-GPC perhaps.

[BobaFett]

I'd been taking CDP considering that it can stimulate or help with dopamine receptors. L-Theanine, I just ordered some Neuro Breeze tonight, because a lot of people across the boards had been telling me to include L-Theanine and it was one of the less expensive L-Theanine I could find.

Any advice I should need to adding L-Theanine to my stack? Is it like the racetams in regards to adding something like choline to supplement it?

[kingOfCrash]

It is active on its own. Start with 200mg in the morning on an empty stomach. Take lower doses if you redose later in the day. Otherwise you'll feel very blunted. The source is key because the Theanine has to be produced in such a way that it is mostly the active L isomer. I got what I think is good L-Theanine from LiftMode. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[BobaFett]

Thanks kingOfCrash! I appreciate the info, I wasn't entirely sure with how I should be working the L-Theanine, I got mine off of Amazon too but from Smart Drugs for Thought http://www.amazon.com/L-Theanine-60c...s=Neuro+Breeze

[kingOfCrash]

No problem! The subreddit for nootropics has a wealth of information.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics
http://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/w...iki_l-theanine

Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if the Neuro Breeze brand turned out to not be so good.

[BobaFett]

Why do you say that?

Smart Drugs for Thought has a pretty good backing on Reddit Nootropics Chat, and on Longecity. Have you had a bad experience through them before?

[kingOfCrash]

No, I just said that because I didn't find any reviews.

[BobaFett]

Oh, yea, they had a few on Amazon before Amazon cleaned out all the racetams. I believe their website has links to their seller reviews from eBay and other marketplaces. Most of the reviews I found about them were anecdotal from forums and such.